I don't give a shit about some ancient history thing where they took away Linux, who the fuck would want to run Linux on a playstation anyway. It's the best console. Just sucks that it costs so much, I have to put money aside each week to save up.
If you want to sell an iot device, you can do all the compute (arduino) and WiFi for under $5 but if want to add a display the BOM cost shoots up to $50+ and that in turn means you have to make your device expensive. Someone needs to figure out how to make a diet cheap.. I am talking like $2 display thatâ(TM)s say at minimum 5 inches.
The amount of compute power in a $5 arduino is orders of magnitude less than even the Tegra X1 in the current Switch. It's a tiny microcontroller with no GPU. It's not a useful comparison.
The parent poster was thinking of *IoT devices*, and complaining that for *his use-cases* the display is the most expensive component, and dreaming about cheaper screen.
This isn't directly related to Switch nor its chipset, but to display pannels.
(Though, if you add a hardware h264 video decompression chips, and use a Cortex-M based variate of microcontroller boards (although Arduino's are more expensive than 5$), the resulting device could be a half decent client for cloud-based gaming like Google Stadia,
that only do 720P without pumping it through an HDMI port?
I would think, given the prices of 4k tv's that you could at least get to 1080P, but like most anime, higher resolution for Nintendo games may not buy you much...
I mean you can pick up an octo-core 1080P tablet with 4GB of memory for under $100 US.
The limited screen resolution isn't due to some technical limitation relating to the display itself, it's a power consumption thing. They could have put a 1080p screen in the Switch, and they could have clocked the Tegra X1 high enough to drive it (they dramatically underclock it), but the battery on the launch model would have lasted around an hour and a half. People already complained a lot about the official battery life of as little as 2.5 hours in the original launch model, and celebrated the 4.5 hour battery life of the later revision (it was from a die shrink). And even achieving that battery life required clockspeeds low enough that it can't always maintain 720p30 in some games.
I suppose you could say it's also a cost thing. These things are built to a cost. It launched in 2017 with a 20nm TSMC processor when TSMC had already been shipping 10nm chips for a while. A new Switch today could probably push much higher than 720p with reasonable battery life if they put a 5nm chip in there, but they won't. They'll use an older die process to keep costs down.
That $100 tablet has a screen that's unsuitable for games, with huge response time ("grey-to-grey") that smears moving images, high latency, and probably PWM or other annoying stuff. The non-Lite Switch has something like a minimum of 4.5 hours play time when the brightness is at maximum and the game is very demanding processing-wise, and more like 7 hours on average. According to Nintendo (it actually provides this info, which is suprirising), after about 800 charge cycles, the battery's charge capacity dr
Leaving aside what others are saying about power consumption, quality on metrics such as latency, etc, the price comparison isn't entirely fair: Android tablets at this point are a commodity item, and what you're buying for $100 is quite possibly being sold below cost and atypical. Nintendo is more risk averse than, say, Sony, and definitely doesn't want to make losses on the hardware side overall, which means the MSRP has to be quite a bit higher than the BoM. That's probably not possible if they're selli
Whodaguessed? Bigger screens! 4K plus OLED! In time for Christmas! Those Nintendo people are smart. They seem to think that gamers like bigger better displays. I bet they will discover that gamers like more power too, if they haven't already. Wow! This is real news. We have the inside track here at Slashdot where we learn the inner secrets of the geniuses at Nintendo. I wonder if Sony and MS are hip to what gamers really want.
Does my sarcasm annoy you as much as it does me? I guess that I'm trying to say th
I'm gonna get a PS5 (Score:-1)
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That would be 4K UPSCALING (Score:0)
Re:That would be 4K UPSCALING (Score:5, Funny)
Re:That would be 4K UPSCALING (Score:4)
The rumour is DLSS. Which is actually a pretty ideal fit for the Switch.
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The upscaling would happen in the GPU. Checkmate Anonymous Coward.
Displays are expensive (Score:1)
If you want to sell an iot device, you can do all the compute (arduino) and WiFi for under $5 but if want to add a display the BOM cost shoots up to $50+ and that in turn means you have to make your device expensive. Someone needs to figure out how to make a diet cheap .. I am talking like $2 display thatâ(TM)s say at minimum 5 inches.
Re:Displays are expensive (Score:5, Informative)
The amount of compute power in a $5 arduino is orders of magnitude less than even the Tegra X1 in the current Switch. It's a tiny microcontroller with no GPU. It's not a useful comparison.
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IoT (Score:2)
The parent poster was thinking of *IoT devices*, and complaining that for *his use-cases* the display is the most expensive component, and dreaming about cheaper screen.
This isn't directly related to Switch nor its chipset, but to display pannels.
(Though, if you add a hardware h264 video decompression chips, and use a Cortex-M based variate of microcontroller boards (although Arduino's are more expensive than 5$), the resulting device could be a half decent client for cloud-based gaming like Google Stadia,
Are there a lot of other "systems" (Score:2)
that only do 720P without pumping it through an HDMI port?
I would think, given the prices of 4k tv's that you could at least get to 1080P, but like most anime, higher resolution for Nintendo games may not buy you much...
I mean you can pick up an octo-core 1080P tablet with 4GB of memory for under $100 US.
Re:Are there a lot of other "systems" (Score:5, Informative)
The limited screen resolution isn't due to some technical limitation relating to the display itself, it's a power consumption thing. They could have put a 1080p screen in the Switch, and they could have clocked the Tegra X1 high enough to drive it (they dramatically underclock it), but the battery on the launch model would have lasted around an hour and a half. People already complained a lot about the official battery life of as little as 2.5 hours in the original launch model, and celebrated the 4.5 hour battery life of the later revision (it was from a die shrink). And even achieving that battery life required clockspeeds low enough that it can't always maintain 720p30 in some games.
I suppose you could say it's also a cost thing. These things are built to a cost. It launched in 2017 with a 20nm TSMC processor when TSMC had already been shipping 10nm chips for a while. A new Switch today could probably push much higher than 720p with reasonable battery life if they put a 5nm chip in there, but they won't. They'll use an older die process to keep costs down.
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Leaving aside what others are saying about power consumption, quality on metrics such as latency, etc, the price comparison isn't entirely fair: Android tablets at this point are a commodity item, and what you're buying for $100 is quite possibly being sold below cost and atypical. Nintendo is more risk averse than, say, Sony, and definitely doesn't want to make losses on the hardware side overall, which means the MSRP has to be quite a bit higher than the BoM. That's probably not possible if they're selli
Great! (Score:2)
well I'm amazed ! (Score:0, Flamebait)
Whodaguessed? Bigger screens! 4K plus OLED! In time for Christmas! Those Nintendo people are smart. They seem to think that gamers like bigger better displays. I bet they will discover that gamers like more power too, if they haven't already. Wow! This is real news. We have the inside track here at Slashdot where we learn the inner secrets of the geniuses at Nintendo. I wonder if Sony and MS are hip to what gamers really want.
Does my sarcasm annoy you as much as it does me? I guess that I'm trying to say th
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Name (Score:1)
They should call it something nice, like the 'Switch We You Us'.
Why 720p? (Score:2)
Why not a 1080p screen and run games as in docked mode while in handheld?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Shut up and take my money! (Score:1)