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Darkfell writes
"The first Palm computer able to connect directly to the Internet will be unveiled in New York on May 24, according to people familiar with the company's plans. Along with the new device, Palm will debut its Palm.net wireless Internet service.
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Re:Feh. (Score:2)
Feh. (Score:1)
Dosen't excite me much.
--John Riney
jwriney@awod.com
Re:Internet Access.....Late? (Score:1)
It's not IP (Score:1)
However, that doesn't mean that they're using IP over mobitex. My company built a mobitex wireless messaging solution for laptop users- I've used a mobitex network as an end user, and I've seen "under the covers". It just doesn't make any sense to put IP in mobitex- it's not necessary, and the overhead is too high, given the sucky bandwidth and high cost.
Totally USELESS _and_ expensive. No color?! (Score:2)
but a MONTH. For $9.99. Ever k after is 0.30. Sp, they're saying we can read 10 emails a month and then we pay $1 an email? Sorry pals, what a pile of horsesh*t.
2> It isnt even 16bit color like the E-100 (which is AWESOME).
3> It doesnt have stereo sound MP3 output.
4> Its twice as expensive as everything else.
5> There are cheaper wireless solutions that cover more areas (Ministrel wireless add-on for Palms)
Uh, duh? See yah Palm Pilot!
Re:another winner from Palm, most likely (Score:1)
Yeah, I want to see a palm/cell phone intigrated. I like my cell phone even though I only use about 5 minutes in the typical month. I'd use email a lot more though. (I don't need full web access, though that would be nice)
I just want one gadget that I can take with me that has what I need on it.
Re:another winner from Palm, most likely (Score:1)
www.palm.net up (Score:1)
Re: not at 30 CENTS A KILOBYTE. (Score:1)
Re:Feh. (Score:1)
Why on earth *wouldn't* it do TCP/IP?
Personally, all I want is a handheld, wireless telnet client (ahem, with a flat rate tariff), and I'll be happy.
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New Project (Score:1)
I had to drop the project. "PalmWolf" sounded too much like the title of a porn movie.
are there viable alternatives? (Score:3)
However, I'd like to have a direct connection to the internet for network sync/downloading/etc. I haven't seen any direct serial-to-ethernet adapters other than some USB devices. Does anyone know of such a creature? Ideally I want a solution that does not require a host computer running as a proxy; just a small extra doodad similar to the Xircom PE3 to stuff in my bag-o-geekdom.
Re:Internet Access.....Late? (Score:1)
P.S. Long time ago, I studied a computer that would real-time operate a SAM battery with 64kb (that's k!) RAM.
Comming Soon (Score:1)
Looks like good stuff
Re:Totally USELESS _and_ expensive. No color?! (Score:1)
2> It also doesn't run Windows CE (but that's a different holy war)
3> And you need this feature because...? The E-100 has 16mb, which works out to about 18 minutes of music (assuming a decent compression and you have no other data on the unit). For $464!
4> Twice? The best price I could find on an E-100 + modem was $664 ($464+$200). That doesn't even include the compatible cell-phone! Last I read, the Palm VII was looking to be under $600.
5> Does that take into consideration roaming and ISP charges (included in the Palm VII)?
East Coast / West Coast - who gives a damn! (Score:1)
It is so frustrating to have such fine trinkets dangled in your face, but to be completely unable to use them. Does anyone know when we are likely to see this device in Europe? Especially Sweden?
Still, at least we got the Nokia 9000 before you yanks did
Re:Totally USELESS _and_ expensive. No color?! (Score:1)
Re:IT ALREADY DOES (Score:1)
Re:Internet Access.....Late? (Score:2)
P.S. Did I mention that CE sucks?
Re:Mindcraft study out soon? (Score:1)
I just got my pilot and am learning how to gcc some stuff for it and learn how to use the tcpip stack. Fun awaits...
Re:Internet Access.....Late? Hardly. (Score:4)
Re:Feh. (Score:3)
You're right, indeed the Palm does TCP/IP. Using my Palm Pro and modem to dial into my isp and browse around with Proxiweb, as I do frequently, would be pretty hard without it. I was using the term "tcp/ip" in a less precise manner.
According to the white paper [palm.com], "The Web Clipping Proxy server implements a reliable layer over the UDP protocol to talk to the Palm VII handheld."
Lemme try again - It would appear from the paper that you can't simply open up a socket on an IP address and start slurping data across as an ordinary browser would do. It also seems that this "reliable layer" is something fairly transparent, and you can't get around it. I recall reading somewhere that you simply won't be able to browse in a conventional sense, nor open up a Telnet or IRC or somesuch session either. In fact, this is explicitly stated on page 3 of the paper(first paragraph under "Web Clipping, Not Web Browsing". Thought it was in an article here a while back.
Annnnnnnnyways...
If anybody's listening, my dream Palm peripheral would be a Minstrel that works over GSM. Mmm.
--John Riney
jwriney@awod.com
Internet Access.....Late? (Score:1)
-- Give him Head? Be a Beacon?
Re:Feh. (Score:3)
Re:Mindcraft study out soon? (Score:1)
Oh, and just a reminder. MS didn't invent the PDA market, Apple did with the Newton - too bad they discontinued it. MS is just playing copy-cat again with WinCE, and as ususal, the quality's just not there.
Yahoo (Score:1)
another winner from Palm, most likely (Score:4)
Re:The scoop on the connectivity/IP (Score:1)
Providing "spoon fed" content out-the-gate is good for several reasons:
-It provides out-of-the-box bulletproof functionality. The first user experience will NOT be going to a page that looks like crap or takes minutes (and precious free bandwidth) to load on the Palm device.
-It provides immediate value-added benefits (you think "Buy and sell stocks from the palm of your hand" isn't a valuable bullet point?)
-It provides a very controlled environment for content delivery.
With that said, I wouldn't be at all suprized if Palm released the 'code' to allow custom URL's to the developer community, enabling anyone to make thier own "spoon fed" pages.
But the cost issue . . . (Score:1)
There are two service packages, at $9.95 and $24.95/month. The first comes with 50*K* of download, and I forget what the second came with. After that, it's about 30c/K . . . The reporter ran up $16 in her first week of testing.
Also, some of the canned sites aren't so friendly: she noted that ABC insisted on sending (unusable) links & graphics.
hawk, who's still holding out for a chording keyboard in the case.
The scoop on the connectivity (Score:5)
The IP issue
The network itself is not IP-based, and I doubt that Palm would implement full TCP/IP on top of it- specifically, I don't think TCP would be feasible, and it wouldn't make sense to add the overhead of an additional packet protocol on top of the base network. Palm has probably implemented proxy servers that communicate with specially-designed websites and compress and transmit the web data back to your palm using a protocol that is most likely largely proprietary. The transmission protocol between a wireless application server and the actual network was X.25 back when I was working with it, but I bet they've moved to Frame Relay or some sort of stream wrapped in IP by now. So it's unlikely that any of the existing Palm TCP/IP apps will work with this service (based on what I know of the network).
Coverage
Although Bell South is regional, the network is nationwide in the US, and has pretty amazing coverage. RAM used to compete with a similar network run by Motorola- RAM generally had the higher data trasmission rates, Motorola better in-building coverage. Folks outside the US are out of luck- I don't think Mobitex is an international standard.
Performance
The network is designed to transmit fairly large packets, and has high latency. In-building coverage can be a real problem- when I was using RAM to get my e-mail on the road, I generally had to be near a window for it to work well. It was also somewhat spotty when moving (like in a car). It's been a couple of years since I really used the network, so they may have improved things, but there are very good reasons why Palm has implemented this as a "web clippings" service and not as a full-on browser.
3COM stock price (Score:1)
I doubt it is accidental that they chose to first demonstrate PP7 in New York (aka NYSE). I got a demonstration 4-5 months ago, and I thought it was pretty cool - mostly for it's small size. The PP7 sales price is pretty high thus a limited appeal, but I expect the price to be half that within a year. I can imagine a lot of companies using a PP7 as part of an eletronic tracking system such as used by UPS and other delivery services.
jonathclark.com [jonathanclark.com]
Re:Internet Access.....Late? (Score:1)
Re:Internet Access.....Late? (Score:1)