Tesla Plans To Open Its Charging Network To Other EVs Later This Year (reuters.com) 182
Tesla plans to open its network of superchargers to other electric vehicles later this year, Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk said on Twitter. From a report: The electric-car maker's fast charging network, with over 25,000 superchargers globally, has given it a competitive edge. Meanwhile, other carmakers have formed alliances or invested in startups for networks as they rush new electric vehicle entrants to market. "We're making our Supercharger network open to other EVs later this year," Musk said on Tuesday, adding that over time Tesla's charging network will be opened to other electric vehicles in all countries.
and open them to non dealer repaired ones? (Score:5, Interesting)
and open them to non dealer repaired ones?
Re:and open them to non dealer repaired ones? (Score:4, Funny)
I've had too much internet today. I saw your text repeated in the subject and body and my mind immediately translated it into that damned Anakin and Padme meme.
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If people have to wait 30 minutes to charge for 20 minutes that destroys the argument of EVs being no more of a burden on long trips than an hydrocarbon burner, no?
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Flip it around, if people have to wait in long lines for petrol that destroys the argument that fossil cars are better for long trips.
That happens regularly on motorways at peak times, by the way.
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There's a row of maybe 10 Tesla chargers at my local Target store, for the past year or so. I've never seen more than one of them in use at the same time.
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The number of Teslas on the road is still rather small compared to the total US vehicle fleet. If everyone were driving one those 10 chargers would likely be almost never available.
Re:and open them to non dealer repaired ones? (Score:5, Interesting)
At least you can understand the liability and public image motivations behind Tesla not wanting vehicles with unauthorized repairs using their superchargers.
If the repair involves the battery pack or its active cooling system, and wasn't done right, trying to supercharge it may result in a vehicle fire. That's damage to their stating AND their brand. If the vehicle was involved in a collision, there's no guarantee the battery wasn't damaged; and following the same reasoning they don't allow vehicles with salvaged Tesla packs to use them either.
There's another car fire reported in the US every ~2 minutes. Car fires are so common that it barely makes it to the local news beyond traffic reports. EVs are far safer in this regard, but despite that any incident of an EV fire makes national news for days... you can hopefully see why Tesla would be extra draconian about this.
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At least you can understand the liability and public image motivations behind Tesla not wanting vehicles with unauthorized repairs using their superchargers.
If the repair involves the battery pack or its active cooling system, and wasn't done right, trying to supercharge it may result in a vehicle fire. That's damage to their stating AND their brand. If the vehicle was involved in a collision, there's no guarantee the battery wasn't damaged; and following the same reasoning they don't allow vehicles with salvaged Tesla packs to use them either.
There's another car fire reported in the US every ~2 minutes. Car fires are so common that it barely makes it to the local news beyond traffic reports. EVs are far safer in this regard, but despite that any incident of an EV fire makes national news for days... you can hopefully see why Tesla would be extra draconian about this.
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I've never heard of an ICE vehicle catching fire in an enclosed garage while sitting idle.
I think that aspect is a legitimate cause for concern.
Re: and open them to non dealer repaired ones? (Score:3)
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At least you can understand the liability and public image motivations behind Tesla not wanting vehicles with unauthorized repairs using their superchargers.
If the repair involves the battery pack or its active cooling system, and wasn't done right, trying to supercharge it may result in a vehicle fire. That's damage to their stating AND their brand. If the vehicle was involved in a collision, there's no guarantee the battery wasn't damaged; and following the same reasoning they don't allow vehicles with salvaged Tesla packs to use them either.
There's another car fire reported in the US every ~2 minutes. Car fires are so common that it barely makes it to the local news beyond traffic reports. EVs are far safer in this regard, but despite that any incident of an EV fire makes national news for days... you can hopefully see why Tesla would be extra draconian about this. =Smidge=
I've never heard of an ICE vehicle catching fire in an enclosed garage while sitting idle. I think that aspect is a legitimate cause for concern.
There are 150,000 ICE vehicles in the US every year.
Given the sheer volume of incidents, I think it's safe to say you're trying to split cunt hairs. Knock it off.
Re: and open them to non dealer repaired ones? (Score:3)
There are a quite a few Ford owners in the nineties who would disagree with you!
https://www.autosafety.org/for... [autosafety.org]
Re:and open them to non dealer repaired ones? (Score:5, Informative)
I've never heard of an ICE vehicle catching fire in an enclosed garage while sitting idle.
Parked BMWs bursting into flames leave owners with questions [go.com]
More Hyundai SUVs Recalled Due to Fire Risk [consumerreports.org]
Re:and open them to non dealer repaired ones? (Score:5, Informative)
> I've never heard of an ICE vehicle catching fire in an enclosed garage while sitting idle.
If you really haven't heard about that happening, it's only because it's not reported as widely as when it involves an EV. Heck just search "car catches fire in garage" and you'll get plenty of examples.
https://www.nfpa.org/-/media/F... [nfpa.org]
Per PDF: 16% of all highway vehicle fires occur in a parking area. That includes commercial parking structures and parking lots of course, but point is that about 1 in 6 vehicles that burst into flames are parked and idle... which in 2018 numbers is over 34,000 vehicles.
So yes, it happens. Nobody seems to be blogging about it though...
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Because it's not newsworthy.
ICE cars have batteries. They also have gas tanks. Neither of these things disappear when you park them.
Re: and open them to non dealer repaired ones? (Score:2)
They also have high amperage ignition systems , which can short due to a 5 cent piece of plasticâ¦
https://www.autosafety.org/for... [autosafety.org]
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At least you can understand the liability and public image motivations behind Tesla not wanting vehicles with unauthorized repairs using their superchargers.
If the repair involves the battery pack or its active cooling system, and wasn't done right, trying to supercharge it may result in a vehicle fire. That's damage to their stating AND their brand. If the vehicle was involved in a collision, there's no guarantee the battery wasn't damaged; and following the same reasoning they don't allow vehicles with salvaged Tesla packs to use them either.
But the same can happen with an authorised repair shop. Beyond having access to first party spares and service manuals there is absolutely no guarantee that the technician with the tools in their hand has done the job properly. The main issue of unauthorised repair shops and problems with an incorrectly done repair is Tesla deliberately witholding access to original spares and service manuals, not the abilities of those doing the work.
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> But the same can happen with an authorised repair shop.
Technically true, but if it's one thins Tesla vehicles are famous for is the outlandish repair costs at authorized service shops, because the remedy for most things isn't "fix it" it's "replace it and everything it's attached to."
Imagine if the main belt tensioning pulley on your ICE car's engine developed a squeak, and the authorized remedy was to just replace the entire engine. Snapped a coolant hose fitting off the battery pack? That'll be $16,0 [youtu.be]
Re:and open them to non dealer repaired ones? (Score:5, Insightful)
At least you can understand the liability and public image motivations behind Tesla not wanting vehicles with unauthorized repairs using their superchargers.
Perhaps, but I'm still glad Shell stations don't care who repairs my car.
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Tesla will have a new revenue stream.
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Billing will be the issue.
Some cars support automatic billing via an ID available to the charger. For those on supported networks you just plug in and walk away. For unsupported cars you need to pay some other way like credit card terminal.
Tesla doesn't have any payment terminals at its chargers so I expect only cars that support sending an ID well work.
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When they designed their plus there was no standard. No one else made EVs and everyone gave Tesla grief. Now they want to use Tesla's chargers and say it's "unfair" it's proprietary. They could just as well adapt Tesla's standard, but they have not. THAT'S what is stupid.
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Bonus feature : Associate the adaptor to a Tesla supercharger account. No need to add
Should never have been proprietary (Score:5, Insightful)
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The electrons that are emitted by Tesla chargers contain more charge per electron than common chargers by legacy manufacturers.
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That's somewhat true, but fortunately the cars no how to negotiate the amount of charge per an electron with the charger.
Also, the highest are the newest gen CCS
Re:Should never have been proprietary (Score:5, Informative)
So as time goes on you'll just rock up to a charger whoever operates it and just charge your car. No screwing around with adapters or dealing with vertical markets of proprietary charging formats.
If the US has sense it will do the same and mandate a standard.
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OK, how did the market decide it in the US? Can all vehicles charge at all stations?
I'm not an EV owner yet, but yeah, my understanding is that except for Tesla, who currently doesn't allow it almost all EVs can charge at almost all stations. I believe the J1772 plug is the de facto standard in the US and all (all?) electrics can use it.
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When the market is large enough that it actually matters what type is used, you can bitch about the standard then.
So you mean like with cell phones. Er, nevermind.
Re: Should never have been proprietary (Score:3, Insightful)
No you limit profit seeking decisions that harm the general population.
What the hell is wrong with Americans? Suggest something that's actually good for them and they scream some shit about communism.
Re: Should never have been proprietary (Score:5, Insightful)
Libertardianism and aversion to critical thinking has infected the population here, and even the school systems (especially in the southeast). Critical thinking isn't really taught in schools any longer, since students need to be able to regurgitate a list of factoids to pass the federally-mandated tests. I've also seen 'Atlas Shrugged' on high school reading lists (which should be prohibited as cruel and unusual punishment). Without a habit of critical thinking young adults are presented with a simple answer to every complex social issue, "let the perfect and omniscient free market decide", and so they get to feel smart without doing the actual work of thinking. Then it becomes a habit, and for too many people a religion. For those of us who actually like thinking it's almost painful to watch.
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You know that silly old saying "If you're not a liberal when you're 15, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative whne you're 35, you have no brain."
I would say there's a corollary or alternative for right wingers for libertarianism when you're young, etc. Libertarianism is dominated by the youngest. There are always dyed-in-the-wool true believers of any age, but I've found most of my libertariany friends have moderated with age (though perhaps getting more extreme in other ways).
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It's called "civilization". I know it's not popular among conservatives, but as societies become larger and more complex they need rules to ensure a minimum of friction and encourage efficiency. Do your own thing free-for-alls only work in small societies, and not well even there which is why they're always absorbed by the larger and more cohesive ones.
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It's really a core philosophical difference.
If you give the government the power to mandate people people make certain decisions, that government has the power to make good decisions AND bad decisions. No doubt that can lead to some non-ideal outcomes, but we often avoid the worst of government excesses as well.
The "American" way is to generally limit the authority of the government.
Americans don't tend to be a halfway people. Think of the vaccine situation. We had an incredible rollout. Almost anybody in m
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Why solve it with a mandate?
Because business has a long history of being unable to sort stuff out like this themselves.
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We all know these days you need an account to post anonymously. So why did you do so? Don't believe or stand by your own stupid post? Trolling senselessly?
If you're going to say something that isn't leaking classified information or a risk to your family or livelihood, at least have the courage to put your pseudonym against it.
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Anybody who thinks markets naturally "choose wisely" and/or don't have corruption in them has apparently lived under a rock their entire life. Markets bend to the laws of markets, but they also bend to whatever the market participants are trying to do, both legally and illegally.
Re:Should never have been proprietary (Score:5, Informative)
Well, back when Tesla started building their vehicles there was no standard so they had to develop their own, and they allowed other companies to use their patents free of charge (no pun intended) but no one took them up on it.
The current situation (no pun intended) is definitely not ideal, but it can be remedied with an adapter in the short term.
Re:Should never have been proprietary (Score:5, Insightful)
Yep - it's amazing how many people don't comprehend that NO STANDARD EXISTED for high-speed DC charging when Tesla was building the Model S in 2012.
The other auto makers should have taken Tesla up on their offer instead of coming up with that inelegant incompatible plug. Of course that would have given validation to Tesla, can't have that.
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The other auto makers should have taken Tesla up on their offer instead of coming up with that inelegant incompatible plug. Of course that would have given validation to Tesla, can't have that.
The problem is that unification would mean a faster death to their ICE vehicles. They've done everything in their own to ensure ICE lives a long as possible because it's highly profitable.
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The other auto makers should have taken Tesla up on their offer instead of coming up with that inelegant incompatible plug.
Resulting in what? Stagnation as everyone adopts a standard controlled by a single entity? Reminder: Tesla no longer has the fastest charging method on the market.
In other news, all open source should just drop what they are doing and install Windows. The world would be a better place right?
What stagnation? (Score:5, Informative)
When the Supercharger was introduced [greencarcongress.com] they were 100 KW.
When I got my Model 3 in 2018 the V2 Superchargers were 120 kW. A year later a software update increased that to 150 kW. Over many trips between Houston and Wisconsin we've found the V2 supercharging did not add any additional time over prior trips in a gas car because the charging coincided with meal stops and rest stops that we would have made anyway. What did add time was the route was different due to the location of the Superchargers. This has been resolved with the expansion and infilling* of the Supercharger network.
V3 Superchargers are 250 kW, and are being upgraded to 300 kW [twitter.com] with plans for 350 kW [insideevs.com] in the pipeline.
The charging speed bottleneck is no longer the kW but the charging curve. An example of that can be seen here [caranddriver.com] were the change from 150 to 250 kW only saved ~2 minutes of charging time. Increasing the size of the top of the curve is were the big gains will be found, and that's tied to the batteries themselves.
* expansion = addition of Superchargers on other routes
infilling = addition of Superchargers on existing routes, eliminating the need to charge to 100% which reduces the impact of the charge curve.
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As well as the fact that when CCS was proposed back in 2012, it only included all the major American and German car makers as well (not Tesla).
The proposal for a "Combined Charging System" (CCS) was published at the 15th International VDI-Congress of the Association of German Engineers on 12 October 2011 in Baden-Baden. CCS defines a single connector pattern on the vehicle side that offers enough space for a Type 1 or Type 2 connector, along with space for a two-pin DC connector allowing charging at up to 200 amps. Seven car makers (Audi, BMW, Daimler, Ford, General Motors, Porsche and Volkswagen) agreed to introduce CCS in mid-2012. (Source: CCS Wiki [wikipedia.org])
It would not shock me if Tesla was not able to participate in those first few meetings, especially considering the timing going on and how there was so much FUD about "Oh, they'll never make it to large scale production."
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Well, back when Tesla started building their vehicles there was no standard so they had to develop their own, and they allowed other companies to use their patents free of charge (no pun intended) but no one took them up on it.
The current situation (no pun intended) is definitely not ideal, but it can be remedied with an adapter in the short term.
According to: https://www.roadandtrack.com/n... [roadandtrack.com]
Why Other Car Companies Don't Use Tesla Superchargers
Tesla says it will give its charging technology to any automaker who wants it. But the fine print makes this a terrible deal, even if it's free.
It all has to do with what Tesla put in the fine print.
While Tesla offers to provide access to its patents free of charge, the announcement specifies that this applies to anyone acting "in good faith." It's a tiny phrase at the end of the second paragraph, but it's th
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Why is this in any way surprising or concerning?
"You can come swim in my pool, but if you sue me, you can't swim in my pool anymore."
Why on earth do you think Tesla should have to give access to its physical property and IP to a company if they don't want to? This is just laying out the sort of condition which would make Tesla unwilling to share stuff it owns.
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Why is this in any way surprising or concerning?
"You can come swim in my pool, but if you sue me, you can't swim in my pool anymore."
Why on earth do you think Tesla should have to give access to its physical property and IP to a company if they don't want to? This is just laying out the sort of condition which would make Tesla unwilling to share stuff it owns.
I think it's more like "You can come to swim in my pool for free! Though if you do I get to use your health club".
I don't know the full legalese behind the Tesla patent pledge but if using the chargers meant in some way agreeing to be part of that pledge that would be an absolute non-starter for other auto manufacturers as they would be surrendering a ton of options about what they could do with their massive patent (and IP) portfolio in exchange for access to another manufacturer's chargers in a very small
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That's not true. The Roadster didn't have DC charging. The Model S did but by the time it launched in 2012 CHAdeMO and CCS were already available.
Tesla wanted more power than those could deliver, but rather than working to extend them and offering backwards compatibility they created a proprietary system.
That also hurt Tesla owners who needed adapters to use public DC chargers.
Later they were forced to use CCS by the EU and it works fine using their own proprietary stuff and the faster CCS standard chargers
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Not just hogging (Score:2)
I'd argue that there weren't enough other EVs on the road to worry about charging them. The big problem was that, at the time that Tesla developed its plug, there literally wasn't a standard for the level of charging (watts) that Tesla wanted to do. Also, it was determined that the closest match was both too huge and too clunky and not a good *technical* fit, in that it would require more electronics to transform the voltage appropriately to charge Tesla vehicles.
Charger neutrality part of right to repair as well (Score:4, Insightful)
Charger neutrality part of right to repair as well.
They can't lock you out of Charging if you did an non dealer repair.
Re:Should never have been proprietary (Score:5, Interesting)
Well we still kinda have that problem with Gas Stations today. Most Gas pumps have a button for 3 or 4 different types of fuel. Regular, Special, Super then you have Diesel which usually not fit most unleaded cars (note most not all). While most cars take Regular, they are some that will not function well without Special or Super, and if you put Diesel in your unleaded gas car, than you may really mess things up.
The EV Charging station is more than just a charging but a data channel as well, where the car needs to say how much power it can take, and tell the charger to stop. Tesla also goes the extra step, to send over who it is as a car so the fee will be connected to the owners account. Which makes Super Charging less of a hassle than the other Charging companies. As you just kinda plug it in and it works, vs having to logon with an app. Or use the credit card terminal.
Also in America, Where Tesla started out first, there wasn't any direction on what the standard would be, so Tesla basically proposed their own, not as much to push a monopoly but a lack of good options, so they made their own with the features they felt would work with their brand.
But yes going further, we need to standardize as well open the door for more privately and publicly owned charging stations. I can see replacing parking meters with Charge Stations where cities can collect revenue from charging EV for cars parked in city streets, and for Landlords to have them installed at their property where they can get revenue from their tenants charging overnight.
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then you have Diesel which usually not fit most unleaded cars (note most not all).
That was brought in after decades of there being no differences in the pumps due to an increase in the number of fuckwits, mostly Millennials, incapable of making a basic decision and putting diesel in gasoline cars.
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That was brought in after decades of there being no differences in the pumps due to an increase in the number of fuckwits, mostly Millennials, incapable of making a basic decision and putting diesel in gasoline cars.
Probably still safer than putting gasoline in diesel cars.
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I can see replacing parking meters with Charge Stations where cities can collect revenue from charging EV for cars parked in city streets...
The city I live in just removed the last of the coin-op meters last year. Now they are all wi-fi enabled smart meters.
That gets us 2/3 of the way to being able to deploy a charging station in the same spot. If we're already running conduit and creating an under-street power distribution network, it's just a matter of upgrading it to handle the increased power draw. And they've got the "charge you for being here" software and logic down. Just increase the cost of the spot a little and provide free electricit
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Imagine if you had Ford only gas stations.
I imagine your scenario applied quite well to the first petrol car on the market. Reality is that there was a world of development in the past 10 years in charging infrastructure. Telsa deliberately deviated from norms to provide more capability to its customers. That is no longer the case and they don't even have the most powerful chargers on the market anymore.
Plus I think I would be okay with a Ford only petrol station, especially if I could fill my Ford up at home myself and my Ford was always fully cha
The writing is on the wall. (Score:5, Insightful)
The second thing, and it is just a suspicion, is that the Biden EV infrastructure plan subsidies will require charger compatibility with all vehicles that use the standard non-Tesla charge plug. Obviously Tesla will want some of that taxpayer money for themselves so they will comply.
Re:The writing is on the wall. (Score:5, Informative)
Tesla uses a Type 2 connector produced by German manufacturer Mennekes and can use the same charging stations from other vendors. It is the most common plug type used by EVs and is the standard throughout Europe. Tesla has previously locked out other vehicles from using the Type 2 so really this is a good win. I wouldn't be surprised if it became the default plug.
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That's the wonderful thing about standards: there's so many to choose from!
The plug is on the wall. (Score:2)
I would *love* to see the same plug used worldwide. I think they use a different one in China, also. I really like the small US Tesla plugs, provided they can scale up to higher power. We have 350 kW for cars now, and I wouldn't be surprised to see 500 kW in a few years. Trucks will need 1MW or more, but I can accept that they may use different plugs.
In the short term, we can probably get by with adaptors.
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We have 350 kW for cars now, and I wouldn't be surprised to see 500 kW in a few years. Trucks will need 1MW or more, but I can accept that they may use different plugs.
Cars (and trucks) will need higher power plugs as faster-charging batteries are rolled out. Cut the charging time in half, just about double the power required. (Tad under, if the wiring can handle it, because less heat losses in the battery during charging is required for faster charging._
Aluminum Graphene, for instance, can charge in minu
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Cars (and trucks) will need higher power plugs as faster-charging batteries are rolled out.
Well, not "need" really. Just if you want to actually charge them faster...
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Well, the car makers are going to continue to push their cars to charge faster, and if we want a stable plug standard, we need to plan for that. Otherwise the manufacturers will switch to a different standard.
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They use the type 2 connector in Europe. They use a proprietary connector in North America.
Biden EV Infrastructure (Score:2)
The Biden EV Infrastructure plan may be a factor here. If Tesla can get the federal government to pay for building the stations in return for making them open to all EVs, that's a win for Tesla.
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What was not made clear is how Tesla plans to achieve standards compliance. In some markets Tesla uses the local standard plug. In the USA they still use their own plug. One reason may be just continuity with their existing chargers that were built before a standard plug existed. Another reason may be that Tesla's plug handles more power. I don't know how the different charging standards compare, there are a lot of them and I don't know which are popular in the USA today.
What a national EV charging sta
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Isn’t there anything else you shill for besides nuclear power?
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Isn't there anything else you shill for besides nuclear power?
Where did I mention nuclear power in my post?
I just demonstrated I will "shill" for something other than nuclear power. I will "shill" for synthesized hydrocarbon fuels.
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Source of revenue (Score:3)
They're obviously doing this so they can get revenue from non-Tesla EV owners. There may also be other benefits to doing so (subsidies or other possible benefits).
I suspect they were planning to do this at some point anyway. Because revenue.
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The flip side to the equation would be that people may have less incentive to buy a Tesla Car compared to one of its competitors.
One reason why people may choose a Tesla EV over VW, Ford, Nissan, Chevy.... Is the fact that the Tesla Charging network is much larger than all the other ones combined. A Tesla owner today when having to go Cross country or travel a long distance, isn't as much worried about Range Anxiety than other EV owners, because they know they can get to a charging station, vs having to t
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The flip side to the equation would be that people may have less incentive to buy a Tesla Car compared to one of its competitors.
One reason why people may choose a Tesla EV over VW, Ford, Nissan, Chevy.... Is the fact that the Tesla Charging network is much larger than all the other ones combined. A Tesla owner today when having to go Cross country or travel a long distance, isn't as much worried about Range Anxiety than other EV owners, because they know they can get to a charging station, vs having to travel near larger population areas to get to the other ones.
But I expect Tesla also knows the other charging networks are growing as well so their advantage isn't going to be a big factor for much longer anyways, so they might as well get some bucks out of the deal, and if they still want to intensive to buy a Tesla, they can just make charging a Tesla cheaper on their network and charge more for a non-tesla.
This may just look like the right time to open it up, due to the factors you cited.
Early on, the superchargers were necessary, partly to alleviate range anxiety, and partly because charging was included in the price of the car. Rather than pay another company for power, they paid to build up a charging network that would eventually become a source of income
Now that there are lots more non-Tesla EVs on the road (whose owners will pay for energy), there are lots more charging competitors (available to Teslas
All EVs should have the same plug (Score:5, Insightful)
I am amazed that each EV manufacturer (ie basically every car company on the planet) has a different charger plug. As consumers, we should be insisting on a standardized charging plug and protocols.
With their large charging network it makes sense that Tesla would add chargers for other cars as a way of enhancing their revenue.
Re:All EVs should have the same plug (Score:5, Informative)
In the US, there are three plugs: Tesla, CCS, and CHAdeMO. CHAdeMO is a Japanese standard that Nissan is supporting, but it is clearly failing. Tesla has its own standard because the other standards were insufficient in 2012 when Tesla released the Model S. CCS is relatively new, but seems to be the winning standard. I think the Tesla design and CCS are technically similar. Tesla has a much nicer small plug, but CCS is what everyone else is using.
China has its own standard, as does Europe.
Eventually we'll have China, Europe, and CCS for the standard plugs. I believe the European standard is the same as CCS with a different plug.
Inductive charging (Score:2)
Whatever happened to non-contacting inductive charging? Wasn't that a thing in the ancient days of the GM EV-1 and EVs with 50-100 mile range?
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When you're using that much power, you don't want to waste a good percentage of the electricity for the convenience of not plugging in. We might not mind cell phone chargers that are less than 70% efficient, but car chargers? No way. Plugs are the way.
Inductive charging doesn't have to be wasteful (Score:2)
Actually, the inductive chargers under development today are within 1-2% of the plugged-in chargers.
This is because ALL of the chargers are transforming the voltage in some way; that means you need a transformer. What's a transformer? Two separate loops of wire, where the ratio of loops determines the voltage change.
An efficient transformer gets larger the higher the voltage and amperage you want to push through it. If you're trying to push 100kWh through it in under an hour? An efficient transformer ca
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I think it's too slow and the energy loss is higher. For phones the energy loss is >40%, I'm sure it's less for the vehicle charging plates but when you're throwing that much juice into something even a 10% loss would get expensive fast.
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Tesla sold in Europe do use the CCS, and even in America the Tesla will often come with a CCS adapter.
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No. Tesla has no CCS adapter available in North America.
CCS adapter available according to google (Score:2)
https://www.tesla.com/sites/de... [tesla.com]
https://insideevs.com/news/463... [insideevs.com]
https://electrek.co/2019/05/07... [electrek.co]
What I'm seeing is that there's probably some non-trivial incompatibility between the two systems.
Besides just issues between AC or DC, voltage, amperage, you also have communication lines that need to be compatible.
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The world would be a better place if we would all just switch to CCS Type 2. It's a smaller plug, and Europe is ahead of the rest of the world, so it's less painful to adopt make the rest of the world change. Unfortunately it will never happen.
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This is correct. CCS1 is NA, CCS2 is EU. Tesla gives you a J1772 Type1 adapter for AC roadside charging stations. There currently is no Tesla adapter for use with non-Tesla DC roadside fast (i.e., super) charging stations.
Although Tesla will certainly need to provide CCS1 or CHAdeMO adapters for other car makers, I suspect they will not provide Tesla owners with reverse CCS1 or CHAdeMO adapters for use with competitor's DC fast/super charging stations.
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Why are you amazed? Have you purposely went out and killed all the brain cells that had to deal with the clusterfuck that is/was cell phone and laptop charging? Do you not have a drawer full of different chargers because every last manufacturer has NIH syndrome?
Ever try and plug a non-Dell charger into a Dell laptop and have it draw power but refuse to charge because it isn't "authorized"?
Amazed is the one thing I'm not with this situation.
This site is very informative: https://interchargers.com/plug/ [interchargers.com]
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I am amazed that each EV manufacturer (ie basically every car company on the planet) has a different charger plug. As consumers, we should be insisting on a standardized charging plug and protocols.
Can you give me some examples of how each EV manufacturer has a different charger plug? There are what, 2 dozen or so EV brands in the US today? So how many plug types are you seeing?
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I am amazed that each EV manufacturer (ie basically every car company on the planet) has a different charger plug. As consumers, we should be insisting on a standardized charging plug and protocols.
I'm amazed santa exists. /s
In reality there's only 3. Tesla. CHAdeMO (which is really only Nissan), and CCS. In Europe all cars *must* be capable of charging from CCS. We already have that standard.
The only thing missing is Tesla chargers supporting CCS, and that was the last missing compatibility. And Telsa isn't the most common fast charger in europe, and in terms of total chargers they make up a very tiny minority of total chargers available.
Adapter for the Jesus Connector? (Score:2, Interesting)
Given that other EVs don't use the proprietary connector employed by the Jesus Car, I wonder whether they will sell adapters, or are they planning on retrofitting all of their Jesuscharger stations?
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I have never heard of Tesla's being called the Jesus Car? Sure they are some passionate Tesla fans out there, but they are not much different than a Dodge Fan, or a BMW fan.
The Tesla fan often has a chip on their shoulder, because there is a lot of media and people making Tesla seem like a passing Fad and a car for LiBeRaLs!!! Often not explaining how the EV is a lot different than ICE Cars, and often focusing on the Tradeoffs as being some radical disadvantage, where it isn't. So they may get a bit more a
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Tesla cars already come with a trunkful of adapters, so you can do everything from a cripple-charge in a 15A@120V circuit to something decently fast like a dryer outlet(30A@240V), even camper outlets(30A@120V), welding outlets(50A@240V), etc...
So they might sell adapters, AND have a process of adding a universal plug(whatever it ends up being) to their chargers as they refurbish them.
As is, as I understand it, it was standard when Tesla was putting in charging islands, to have at least 1 universal charging
Super/Fast charger firmware? (Score:2)
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By substantially you mean a 1% total additional loss over 5 years?
Also Fast Supercharging is kinda like the energy bar of charging. For most people with EV they charge at home with slower Level 1 or Level 2 charging, it is often cheaper that way, plus much more convent, as you can leave your home every day with a full charge. These Superchargers are not like Gas Pumps, which you have to go every week to fill your tank because you cannot fill from home. They are needed for cases where you on a long road t
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Those batteries simply aren't thrown away. They get used for power wall installations and things like that. Plus if lithium does become scarce then battery recycling will really take off. The batteries should also last a very long time. https://electrek.co/2018/07/17... [electrek.co]
This was a good test for longevity and it looks like they fixed a few issues. At 194,000 miles one pack lost 6% capacity and that was from frequent super charging from zero to 100%.