Seriously. I laughed.

Is the harddrive running open-source firmware too? How could I possibly store my data on a device that uses proprietary software?

Creating free replacements for all non-free software is a monumental task that started many years ago, one that may never be complete. However, this is a milestone; the list of laptop models that are "truly free" can only expand from here, as can the includeable software. Have you seen the DD-WRT compatibility list recently? It was quite short a when that project was getting started.

> no understanding of the importances of "just works"

That's not their part of the job.

Various entities can label something as user-friendly. FSF is pretty much the only entity that can label stuff as free.

This is one laptop. Hopefully next year there'll be twenty, and then someone can take on the job of announcing which is the most user-friendly of the twenty free laptops.

Yeah, RMS goes w/ Loongson, so since the FSF is putting this together, why don't they just team up w/ Lemote, slap Trisquel (or gNewSense) on the laptop, fire it up w/ GNOME3, and put it out to market? Better yet, if they can find someone to fab the OpenRISC chip, or come out w/ an GPLed version of a SPARC (where its HDL designs are GPLed) and fab it, and design it into a laptop, w/ coreboot, they'll get what they want.

Remember, for an FSF endorsement, it doesn't need to be good, or even run end user software. It just needs to 'respect your freedom & privacy', so the solution above should do it.

It's not truly free until it doesn't let you access Google-anything or Facebook or Amazon or pretty much everything else, because to access is to surrender.

The ultimate free laptop is a cat (for various definitions of Free which involve feeding, care and a robust catnip supply.)

We can't punish all murderers, what's the point of punishing any?

As an owner of a refurbished Thinkpad - from a German reseller of used laptops, not the company mentioned in the story - I can assure you that any old Thinkpad with GNU/Linux just works. Older Thinkpads are among the laptops with the best Linux support you can find. I use mine every day for 8 hours for years (and before that I used another old Thinkpad for years).

Regarding the other thing you mention, to be honest I have to admit that I have no idea what "value added" means. I've heard it occasionally but always though it was more like a meaningless buzzword or (worse) a synonym for pre-installed bloatware. What does it mean?

I get the sense that the FSF, though having some very good ideals, has no understanding of the importances of "just works" and "value added"

The FSF is like extreme overclockers. They are concerned with software freedom the way overclockers are concerned with cpu performance maximums, or drag racers are concerned with 1/4 mile times.

Criticising the FSF for pushing software freedom as far as they can is like criticising extreme overclockers for using bulky custom expensive cooling solutions, or drag racers for lousy cornering, and needing a parachute to stop.

Sure I'll probably never buy one of those devices, but I like that they are out there, and I support them, pushing the envelope. And even if I don't live right on the edge with them, preferring 'just works' to 'ideals' for a lot of day to day stuff, my 'just works' is a lot closer to 'ideals' than it would be without the FSF as a lot of that does trickle into what I use daily, even if I don't use it all, all the time.

I like the FSF pushing that envelope as far as they possibly can.

You have a strange definition of freedom.
A laptop with free hardware and free software let me do whatever with it, including signing up for pseudo-voluntary profiling in exchange for a meager chunk of ad ridden web service.

GNU licensed stuff poses additional restriction but those are aimed at the respect of others' freedom, in the same way that "do what you wish" makes a less free society than "do what you wish as long as it lets other do what they wish", no matter the smaller number of restrictions imposed.

That's a definition of fundamentalism, it certainly isn't the definition of fundamentalism that is common short-hand for extremist asshole. The FSF does not qualify for the extremist asshole definition, not by a long shot.

Please point your browser to https://www.fsf.org/ [fsf.org] and view the source. Search the page for "" and see if the FSF really believes what you claim.

"Asshole?" No. "Extremist?" I'd say so. (But that's a feature, not a bug!)

I'm not saying they are too lax - I know there are no open source hard drive firmwares (though there is some progress on Open SSD firmware [openssd-project.org]). I'm saying that they are being unclear on what they are delivering, they are saying "No proprietary firmware" when they know that portions of the computer do have

Why do you keep comparing hard drive firmware with microwave firmware? My microwave doesn't see every bit of data I store on my hard drive, nor does it have full access to the physical RAM of my computer.

You keep saying "probably" because you really don't know what the hard drive firmware is doing. Which is fine, but don't dismiss it with "Well no one knows what it's doing and besides you can't do anything about it, so just ignore it".

Ahh, so there's no proprietary firmware except for the parts that use proprietary firmware. Well that's crystal clear and not misleading at all.

If you feel that proprietary software infringes on your rights, how could closed source HDD firmware not be a problem?

I might be willing to give them more credit if it was clear why they are promoting a computer that has open source software and open source BIOS, but the CPU and peripherals have proprietary embedded software and no one really knows what it does. How could I even give them 95% credit when I don't even know what the goal is or how what they've done so far meets the goal - how would that 95% be measured? If the system can't function without a hard drive and the hard drive runs proprietary software, are they really 95% close to a free and open solution?

In reality, it doesn't matter since few people will want to purchase a 7 year old laptop just because it is "open" - but it doesn't really help the FSF much when they endorse an "open" product that's really not open.

Even if everything is free and open and under your control and you can actually verify everything the ability to "phone home" is predicated on connection to a network, a network of systems that you don't control and that are potentially hostile. If you're genuinely paranoid about the potential for your system to "phone home" with some information then you could trap your network traffic and identify anything abnormal.

Actually Loongson is a CPU makr you might want to watch, sadly we won't get the chips here (thanks to the broken patent and copyright messes) but they re cooking up some REALLY interesting chips, in fact I'd argue that for the first time in ages you have someone actually thinking out of the box and innovating instead of just making variations on the arm bandwagon.

For an example check out their MIPS designs, where they have added a hardware X86 emulation layer so that you can fire up their custom version of Bochs and have 80% of the performance of the chip when running your legacy software! Imagine how sweet it would be to have mobile devices with the power saving of RISC that still allowed you to fire up your old Windows programs in return for some battery life ONLY when you needed them, wouldn't that be awesome?

As for TFA, sling hate ALL you want but lets call a spade a spade, okay? RMS passed the reasonable exit about 20 miles ago and has been in batshit militant town for several years now, I mean the guy said the fricking OLPC was "too locked down"...what? Then again I figured the cheese had slipped off his cracker when I saw this video [youtube.com]...Stallman WTF? You are in public man, on stage no less? What were you smoking that made you think that THAT was appropriate behavior?

That is why I say, much as I disagree with the man, especially on the way he treats people, that if you are gonna look for direction from someone in the FOSS community? Look to Torvalds. He may have a smart mouth but I've never seen him act like he might need a psych eval and even when you disagree with him he makes DAMN good arguments to support his position. With his holding up signs, acting like he does on stage, frankly RMS reminds me more and more of Rev Al Sharpton than anything, someone who trolls the media for publicity and does outrageous shit just to stay in the spotlight. With all the media looking seriously at FOSS since the hit of Android is that REALLY the kind of spokesman you want?

I happen to think that the FSF guys live in Fantasyland, and have Utopian goals.

The world needs people like that, and not because they have a realistic chance of making it happen.