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FEMA Grounds Private Drones That Were Helping To Map Boulder Floods 356

First time accepted submitter MrMagooAZ writes "An interesting article about a questionable reaction by FEMA in response to the flooding in Colorado. It seems a small firm was working free of charge with County officials to use drones to map the area and provide near-real-time maps of the flood damage. When FEMA took control of operations one of their first acts appears to have been to not only ground the drones, but threaten the operators. 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help you?'" The drone model in question has permits from the FAA to be flown around even. The drones were replaced with manned craft that, due to the terrain, where unable to fly low enough to make useful maps.
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FEMA Grounds Private Drones That Were Helping To Map Boulder Floods

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  • Well... (Score:3, Informative)

    by The Grim Reefer ( 1162755 ) on Monday September 16, 2013 @10:18PM (#44869199)
    It was Colorado. Wasn't there a town that was talking about selling drone hunting licenses. The last thing they need are people shooting into the air.
  • by russotto ( 537200 ) on Monday September 16, 2013 @10:32PM (#44869275) Journal

    Yes, your little, puny drones are no match for our US Defense Contractor drones that have a staff of thousands and bases all over the world.

    I cheated and read the article. They WERE US Defense Contractor drones that FEMA shut down.

  • by Above ( 100351 ) on Monday September 16, 2013 @10:34PM (#44869285)

    Bah, hate replying to my own comment, there is a NOTAM: http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_3_4481.html

    "No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described)."

    Reason for NOTAM : TO PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR LARIMER COUNTY FLOODING SAR

    So the drone operators are in violation of FAA rules.

  • by russotto ( 537200 ) on Monday September 16, 2013 @10:47PM (#44869387) Journal
    Wrong NOTAM, as they were in Boulder County, not Larimer County. There is a NOTAM [faa.gov] for Lyons, but since the drone operators were operating under Boulder County SAR's authority, they were not violating it.
  • by Above ( 100351 ) on Monday September 16, 2013 @11:00PM (#44869487)

    Apparently you didn't even read the NOTAM.

    "Altitude: From the surface up to and including 13000 feet MSL"

    I actually got the wrong NOTAM, which is why the date is wrong. The right one is http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_3_4333.html and was issued back on September 14th. It says "Altitude: From the surface up to and including 11500 feet MSL"

  • by PPH ( 736903 ) on Monday September 16, 2013 @11:04PM (#44869517)

    Hurricane Sandy. Even Governor Christie (GOP) complemented [thehill.com] the Obama administration on its response. Which incurred a political cost. So I don't think he made his comments lightly.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 17, 2013 @04:59AM (#44871001)

    Yes, I fly them, and work with the engineers who design them. These things, and more specifically, the people who advocate for them, are a menace. They have no semblance of airworthiness, are not designed to be safe in the airspace, and are generally (the small ones) flown by people who have neither the training nor the operating procedures to safely fly them. There's a reason the global hawk costs $200M and the reaper $60M. That because more than a million engineering hours has been put into each to make them airworthy. The small remote control toys have no redundancy of design in structure, programming, hardware architecture, propulsion or datalinks, and generally flown by people who have no concept of how many people they can hurt by launching them up at people who are properly using the airspace.

    When the weather's bad, aviation doesn't stop, you just don't see it. Pilots fly in the clouds every day, throughout the world. No UAV has a safety system that will allow it to safely fly near other aircraft, much less ones that the operator can't see. Do you just casually assume that nobody was flying that day with SWIR or SAR imagers Both of those will punch through the clouds and can be safely flown. Would be a damn shame to kill them. Geography of that area, in particular, limits IFR flight of helicopters, but in many large area disasters, helicopters are flying in and out of the clouds on IFR flight plans. Would be really bad to take out a life flight helicopter because your little quadcopter doesn't have robust communications links.

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