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Dell Gives Android the Boot, Boots Up More Windows 8 408

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hugheseyau writes "Dell vice chairman Jeff Clarke made a less than shocking announcement at this year's Dell World Conference in Austin. The company is officially giving up on Android phones and tablets. ... So if Dell is giving up on Android, what comes next? The company claims it's doubling down on Windows 8, and the enterprise market."
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Dell Gives Android the Boot, Boots Up More Windows 8

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  • by dagamer34 (1012833) on Sunday December 16, 2012 @10:30PM (#42310811)
    Uhh.. the reason those features don't exist is to clearly push those kinds of customers towards Windows 8 Pro. It's the same reason why Office RT doesn't have Outlook. Microsoft doesn't want Windows RT to be used in enterprise and there are plenty of clues as to why not.
  • by acoustix (123925) on Sunday December 16, 2012 @10:38PM (#42310857) Homepage

    It's all going BYOD. As much as I hate it, its all going BYOD. Bad move, Dell.

    Even RIM, which is based on the enterprise, is changing.

  • by TWX (665546) on Sunday December 16, 2012 @10:48PM (#42310925)

    The company claims its doubling down on Windows 8

    Last time I checked, gambling behavior as a primary hobby or profession wasn't considered respectable or responsible, it was considered borderline sociopathic.

    If I were a stockholder I'd be worried. Technology these days seems to be about a combination of giving people what they want and convincing people of what they want. Android, to an extent, is giving people what they want, as Android is popular with users as well as with OEMs. Windows 8, by and large, does not appear to be popular, either in portable devices or on the desktop.

    So, Dell is now moving to a system of neither giving people what they want, nor convincing people of what they want.

    I don't think that Dell is in any danger of going Chapter 7. Where I work buys Dell just about exclusively, in a 30,000 desktop environment. The paltry sales Apple or other OEMs get is almost not worth mentioning. But, their extra markets, like phones, tablets, and other consumer devices will probably die.

    I had actually wanted a Dell phone back in the day, but they weren't compatible with my cell provider. Otherwise they had the features I wanted. Pity that...

  • No help (Score:5, Interesting)

    by giveen1 (2727899) on Sunday December 16, 2012 @10:49PM (#42310929)
    As the only Dell Streak 7 Android developer left, it doesn't surprise me that Dell has abandoned Android. I've spent over a year trying to get them to comply with the GPL and give me the last source code for their last kernel update. Every request I have put forth has been turned down or rejected. I still try my best to keep this tablet up to date with ICS and JB, but I can only do so much without more support.
  • Android != Linux (Score:4, Interesting)

    by SuperKendall (25149) on Sunday December 16, 2012 @10:52PM (#42310955)

    Supporting Linux *is* supporting the enterprise market. No way Dell is backing off that.

    I think they may be backing of Android partly as a response to Google announcing they are dropping Exchange integration. Though that could be a coincidence.

  • by fahrbot-bot (874524) on Sunday December 16, 2012 @10:53PM (#42310967)

    Windows 8 and Server 2012 are far from "enterprise" they are basically toys.

    Agreed. It seems the purpose of Windows 8 is to provide a consumer-oriented environment conducive to buying content such as music, movies, books, etc like on the iPad and other tablets and smartphones. To date, the only things I've seen people doing with Windows 8 systems in commercials is playing movies, games, finger painting, Skype, "clicking, clicking, clicking," sliding and (often angry) dancing. No one's using the thing for any actual work...

  • by TWX (665546) on Sunday December 16, 2012 @10:55PM (#42310983)
    Their business support doesn't suck though. If you're an enterprise-level customer and have your IT staff certified through Dell's online coursework then you can do all of your warranty work in-house and they generally next-day parts to you, and they really don't make a big deal of misdiagnosed machines where you end up replacing perfectly good parts. We use mostly Optiplexes and Latitudes and keeping up with about 30,000 PCs has been possible with a paltry staff.

    Personally I'm typing this on a several-year-old Lenovo Ideapad S10-2, my wife uses a Thinkpad X301, and Dad bought an Ideapad G550 based on our recommendations, so I like old-IBM/Lenovo fairly well, but I don't think that Dell is quite as bad overall as you've dealt with. I'm using an old Latitude D520 at work in the field without problems, and my Optiplex 780 workstation has handled its duties without problems.
  • Not yet. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Andy Prough (2730467) on Sunday December 16, 2012 @11:03PM (#42311027)
    Touchscreen-enabled Chromebooks [forbes.com] could change all that in 2013 though.
  • by elashish14 (1302231) <profcalc4 @ g m ail.com> on Sunday December 16, 2012 @11:07PM (#42311055)

    Hey, at least they're not going the way of SCO, Nokia, Ericsson, and dare I say it, Apple by just suing people left and right as they slowly cease to produce anything of value in their industry. They're still trying to innovate their way out of their troubles. They should be given a medal, not under normal circumstances, but when you compare to their corporate peers...

  • by Kjella (173770) on Sunday December 16, 2012 @11:20PM (#42311123) Homepage

    It's all going BYOD. As much as I hate it, its all going BYOD. Bad move, Dell.

    I really doubt that, a few high-profile incidents where BYOD caused big losses and that idea will die a quick death, not that it was ever alive in many lines of business. The better question is what's the difference between a consumer and enterprise computers, except software? Nothing. My employer-issued smart phone is a regular Android phone, they've just set it up with policies like wiping itself if you enter the PIN incorrectly a few times. There's also a use agreement which says I can't let anyone else gain knowledge of the PIN or operate it - no letting your kids play on it folks - and I'm bearing the full risk of what any non-IT approved application could do to their data. It's a pretty safe bet I won't be installing any.

    I'll be a cold day in hell before they go BYOD on terms that I could accept as well, doesn't even matter if we both pick the same model I'm going to have mine and theirs. But it's a pretty good chance that theirs is going to be a consumer model that I pick. I've heard much the same story with tablets, people like and want to use it but when it comes to putting business critical data on it the requirements often crash and they start looking at corporate issued tablets instead. There'll be less "You can have any color phone you want, as long as it's black" standard issue but it's always going to be trouble for one piece of hardware to have two masters.

  • by aztracker1 (702135) on Sunday December 16, 2012 @11:30PM (#42311177) Homepage
    I actually had really high, well higher hopes, for WinRT... The consistency of windows APIs without all the debt... .Net code pretty much just works (at least the backend code)... Honestly, I was kind of hoping to see some 32-64 core ARM based systems for servers, running a lighter version of windows, for web servers... Actually, not all that tied to Windows. Working on migrating portions of the site at work to using MongoDB + Node.js as an API backend server... that can run on just about anything.. for now it is on Windows, but will probably migrate.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 16, 2012 @11:45PM (#42311255)

    Um... Windows Server 2012 is as "enterprise" as they come. A quick example:

    Deduplication (although it is passive and not on the fly deduping like EMC.)

    Checksums/CRCs to guard against corruption. This is in ReFS, not NTFS. Linux has no production-level filesystem that can do this.

    Bitlocker + TPM. No other OS has hardware protection against tampering.

    Dynamic LVMs. Linux's LVM is a joke.

    Logging, policies, and so on which are needed for anything bigger than the guy in his basement: Linux doesn't offer this, Windows does via GPOs. This is important come audit time, and the auditors are there.

    Signed executables (AppLocker): Windows has it, Linux doesn't.

    Please name me a feature that Linux has that Windows doesn't that is useful on the enterprise level.

  • Dell's market (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 16, 2012 @11:59PM (#42311343)

    Posting as AC because I used to work for them...

    I remember being on a conference call and someone asked why Dell didn't focus more on the consumer market, in light of the success of the iPhone, etc. It was clear to me from the answer that Dell doesn't take the consumer market that seriously. They see the enterprise market as being much larger and more lucrative, much like Microsoft does. So Dell will always have a presence in the consumer market, just to say that it has some offerings, but they have no intentions of trying to make a big splash there. Basically they will do whatever Microsoft tells them to do. During my time there it was the beginnings of a big push into the enterprise services market. I don't think they have made much of a dent personally but they will continue to pursue that. Tablets and phones are just a hobby for Dell...no news here.

  • by symbolset (646467) * on Monday December 17, 2012 @12:55AM (#42311595) Journal
    If that were true they would be making Android devices as fast as they can. Android devices are outselling Windows devices 2:1. Dell's not making ANY profit on Windows devices, so they might as well give Android devices a go. But they don't, which implies that Microsoft has got them by the short curlies.
  • by shutdown -p now (807394) on Monday December 17, 2012 @12:56AM (#42311601) Journal

    Well, their XPS 12 looks like a decent enough device. Who knows, maybe they can actually make good things that aren't really tablets (but rather convertible notebooks etc)?

  • by symbolset (646467) * on Monday December 17, 2012 @03:48AM (#42312155) Journal
    The myth of deep pockets is that they are stupid. They didn't get deep pockets by being stupid. They know value when they see it, and Windows 8 ain't it.
  • by Genda (560240) <(mariet) (at) (got.net)> on Monday December 17, 2012 @04:48AM (#42312393) Journal

    Great post! Its so funny watching these CMOs, CIOs, CTOs, COOs, CEOs passing around the same smoke their getting from trade rags, thinking if they can just build a walled garden like Apple they'll all be printing Benjamins like they're going out of style. Forgetting (or never appreciating in the first place) all the while that the one thing Steve got right was creating a beautiful user experience, and that his obsessive need to control every atom was the downside of his vision. These clowns want to implement the downside without ever creating a compelling upside. This is what we call a LOOSER. America has reached the smoke up its ass saturation point. How can you tell when Corporations are lying you... their lips are moving! I'll keep Win7 to run software as long as possible, but more and more of my Windows apps are becoming available as Mac versions and that Mac Mini Server is looking sweeter every day. Especially running fusion with a Linux and Win7 VM all singing all dancing. All the software I need, when I need it the way I want it. Thanks Win8, but no thanks.

  • by Bert64 (520050) <bert@slaSLACKWAR ... com minus distro> on Monday December 17, 2012 @04:54AM (#42312405) Homepage

    The luxury sandwich uses higher quality ingredients, so while it does have a higher margin it actually costs more to produce...
    Software on the other hand will typically have the fully featured version developed first, and then extra work is done to disable features and produce an artificially crippled version, thus the cheaper version actually cost more to produce.

    I find such a practice despicable, to do extra work to make intentional changes that make the product less useful to paying customers!

  • Re:Android != Linux (Score:4, Interesting)

    by whoever57 (658626) on Monday December 17, 2012 @06:00AM (#42312655) Journal
    One could see the dropping of Exchange support a a massive show of Google's power. Microsoft's monopoly has been driven by the Outlook/Exchange combo, with other clients frozen out by poor support. Now, Google is saying: Exchange doesn't matter. Open standards work and allow Exchange and Outlook to be replaced, both individually and collectively.
  • by smash (1351) on Monday December 17, 2012 @08:51AM (#42313395) Homepage Journal

    We run operating systems for one reason: application delivery. Windows is where the industry specific applications are, so that is what the client machines run.

    To administer the clients, it is a lot easier to do so with Windows servers.

    Do i run windows servers facing the internet? Fuck no. They are well protected by hardware firewalls, mail, etc. comes through FreeBSD. But Windows has its uses.

    I'm a big fan of heterogeneous networks. Use the most appropriate platform for the service you are attempting to deliver. Any mainstream OS these days can be secured "well enough" with minimal effort if you know shit from clay.

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