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Software Uses Almost 1/2 the Storage On 32GB Surface Tablet 471

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First time accepted submitter jigamo writes "Microsoft's newly released Surface tablets are available in 32 and 64 GB capacities. The company has disclosed how much of that space is available to the user. After taking into account Windows RT, Microsoft Office, built-in apps, and Windows recovery tools, nearly 13 GB of the available space is eliminated from user accessible storage. Microsoft's recommendations for adding additional capacity are to use cloud storage, a memory card, or a USB storage device."
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Software Uses Almost 1/2 the Storage On 32GB Surface Tablet

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  • by BluPhenix316 (2656403) on Monday November 05, 2012 @04:57PM (#41886787)
    A Tablet full of Microsoft, whats not to love?
    • by elashish14 (1302231) <profcalc4 @ g m ail.com> on Monday November 05, 2012 @09:24PM (#41889547)

      You mean to say that it's half-full of Microsoft.

      But as an optimist, I would rather say it's half free of it!

  • by The MAZZTer (911996) <megazzt@gmail . c om> on Monday November 05, 2012 @04:57PM (#41886791) Homepage
    13GB is not bad. I made the mistake of getting a 40gb SSD for my Windows 7 partition. I recently upgraded it to a 120GB one, much better.
    • by Gaygirlie (1657131) <gaygirlie.hotmail@com> on Monday November 05, 2012 @05:03PM (#41886887) Homepage

      13GB is not bad.

      Well, it kind of is when you take into account that it's almost half of all the space on the whole device on a 32GB Surface. In practice you're being sold a 16GB tablet when you think you're buying a 32GB one. In comparison my 32GB Android-tablet leaves 28GB free for use and my 16GB phone leaves 13GB free after the OS.

      • by im_thatoneguy (819432) on Monday November 05, 2012 @05:19PM (#41887105)

        Yeah but you can just pop in an SDXC mini-SD card for $50 have have another 64GB for music/movies which is what fills a device.

        The 32GB is essentially a system and application drive. And since it's Windows RT I doubt most applications will be larger than 100MB. So from a functional standpoint that leaves space for 20GB * (1000/100) = 200 applications at least. More likely most applications are around 10MB.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Gaygirlie (1657131)

          Yeah but you can just pop in an SDXC mini-SD card for $50 have have another 64GB for music/movies which is what fills a device.

          That's the thing I do not agree with. It's like saying "Hey, we know you bought a 32GB tablet, but we decided to use half of all the space on the tablet so you should go out and buy MORE stuff to make up for the space we use!"

        • by Synerg1y (2169962)

          It's a bit more for one that doesn't lag while presenting here said movies and music.

      • by timeOday (582209) on Monday November 05, 2012 @05:26PM (#41887163)

        In practice you're being sold a 16GB tablet when you think you're buying a 32GB one.

        Maybe you think that's a big deal because a 16 GB iPad costs $100 more than a 32GB one [apple.com], versus $9.99 to add 16GB to the Surface [newegg.com]. And in fact, the add-in card is better, because you easily swap out different cards with different contents. I have a MicroSD with my entire music collection for my Sansa Clip+, and might want to pop it into a tablet without waiting for a 20GB file copy.

    • by tuppe666 (904118)

      13GB is not bad. I made the mistake of getting a 40gb SSD for my Windows 7 partition. I recently upgraded it to a 120GB one, much better.

      Except its a *Tablet* running a tablet OS, and you can't upgrade the hard drive. Equivelant OS's have a smaller footprint.

      • by Dahamma (304068)

        Except its a *Tablet* running a tablet OS, and you can't upgrade the hard drive.

        Actually, not really - it's basically running Windows 8 for ARM. Also, unlike the iPad you can add an SD card.

        Still pretty absurd, though. And I guess it explains why they didn't release a 16GB version!

    • No. Even considering that this is windows, it is still *extremely* bad.
      This is indicative of the same bloat and indiscretion for efficiency that has caused every MS GUI OS to plummet into user-hindrance after NT.

      It's trite-ware; full of shit that no majority needs, but the MS handicap has convinced itself it must employ in order to reach every conceivable userbase desire conceivable, no matter how miniscule. If competition has it, so must they, only a fraction as good and double the footprint.

      Including al

    • 13GB is not bad. I made the mistake of getting a 40gb SSD for my Windows 7 partition. I recently upgraded it to a 120GB one, much better.

      I know what you're getting at, but that's only a win if the user accepts the fact that MS clumsily ported their desktop OS. To compare with Apple, both take roughly the same amount of hard drive space (give or take 5 or 10 GB, but same order of magnitude). When Apple developed the iOS, they stripped out a ton of the bulk to make it around a gig or so. I can't imagine that Windows needs that much code; it's just being half-assed.

  • 13GB? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ArcadeMan (2766669) on Monday November 05, 2012 @04:59PM (#41886807)

    It seems ridiculous to me that 13GB is taken by the OS and built-in software.

    How does that compare to iOS? And to be fair, how does that compare to iOS+Pages+Keynote+Numbers?

  • Microsoft Office (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 05, 2012 @04:59PM (#41886811)

    Ok, so you're accounting for what is likely to be the largest single software install (as in storage) available for the unit outside of the OS. What is it without the Office package?

  • Yes, really. There's no nice way to say it.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I thought all that was stored in the tiddly-winks chips.

    (16GB for Windows, Office and media apps.... my Desktop uses FAAAAAAR more. Get it through your head people - Surface is a touch screen ultrabook, not a tablet.)

    • ~$ df Ooo look 7312160k - full office suite - browser *2 - graphics package *2 - video/music player *2 - music creation package * 7 - wine + PCB package *2 - cd/dvd package - etc.
  • Microsoft's recommendations for adding additional capacity are to use cloud storage, a memory card, or a USB storage device."

    Here is my recommendation: "Buy something else."
    I for one, bought a Google Nexus 7, and quite like it.

  • by timeOday (582209) on Monday November 05, 2012 @05:11PM (#41886989)
    It accepts a MicroSD, so who cares? Contrary to the market-segmentation-via-soldered-in-SSD strategy of certain other companies, the fact is, the stuff is very cheap - $1 per gigabyte [buy.com].
  • by joebok (457904) on Monday November 05, 2012 @05:11PM (#41886999) Homepage Journal

    Well, it's actually kind of cool that the user can pop in a memory card. I guess I have gotten a little to used to iProducts that don't allow such niceties.

    • by PRMan (959735)
      All Android devices take micro SD cards that I've seen. In the last 2 years or so, they can go as high as 32GB.
  • Aha! (Score:5, Funny)

    by sootman (158191) on Monday November 05, 2012 @05:11PM (#41887003) Homepage Journal

    So there is a 16GB Surface! :-)

  • Memory card. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by csumpi (2258986) on Monday November 05, 2012 @05:12PM (#41887007)
    I'd rather take a device with 13gb free space and a memory card slot, rather than one with 28gb free and no way to expand.
  • by Herkum01 (592704) on Monday November 05, 2012 @05:13PM (#41887021)

    Other misc recommendations

    • Leaving 10GB for patching
    • Nightly scheduled updates
    • A Virus Scanner
    • Regular de-fragmentation of the disk
    • Turn off unnecessary services like the "Print Spooler
    • Periodically clear on the systems logs to reduce the amount of used diskspace
    • Link your tablet to MS Live account

    REMEMBER, TABLETS ARE LOW MAINTENANCE! (compared to PC's)

    With Love,

    Microsoft

    PS: You really did not think things would change THAT much!

  • .NET (Score:3, Informative)

    by Hentes (2461350) on Monday November 05, 2012 @05:15PM (#41887059)

    is like 4GB alone. They need to get rid of the bloat if they are serious about mobile/tablet.

  • by fermion (181285) on Monday November 05, 2012 @05:19PM (#41887101) Homepage Journal
    A few ago I was buying a few PC laptops. I want one to be like an ultrabook, and actually found one that was a good price, and had what I thought was a 64 GB. My first Macbook Air had a 64 GB SSD, and though it was tight, the system, library, and applications are about 25 GB, it was workable even with iPhoto, though I never ran iMovie or Aperture on it. However, the sales person told me that since we were going to install full version of MS Office and do photo editing it would not work well.

    So this was always my assumption of putting a full OS on a tablet. It simply would not have enough power or memory to really make it work, even using something like the simplified interface that was so-recently-called-Metro. Even the 64 GB iPad is getting insufficient. I am not going to buy another until there is 128GB.

    So, big surprise, building a table to meet a price point is not going to result in a high end experience, no more than buying the cheapest laptop allows one to create a feature film. In this case, however, we may find that bloated software may not even allow one to write a memo in MS Word. I suspect we will find the low end solution is still going to be Android and Google Drive.

  • Just do what this guy did and use two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-pMZd1fupw

  • by Nalez (556446) on Monday November 05, 2012 @05:33PM (#41887269) Homepage
    It is great that the surface has a micro-sd card, but it suffers the same issues that the android platform has, which is that you can NOT install apps on the micro-sd card [microsoft-news.com]. For comparison, both IOS 6 and Jelly Bean are around 2gb in size.
    • by dido (9125)

      Simply not true for Android. You can install apps on the SD card of an Android device: I've been doing it for more than a year because I have had no choice. I have been using an original HTC Desire as my primary phone for more than a year now, and it has a pathetically small amount of internal storage (only 512 megabytes, and only 150 of those are user-accessible!). It would be almost completely worthless if I was unable to install apps to the much larger 16 GB SD card I bought for it. Granted, there are ce

  • by _UnderTow_ (86073) on Monday November 05, 2012 @05:39PM (#41887329)
    Nearly 13GB should be enough for everyone.
  • I RTFA (Score:5, Informative)

    by viperidaenz (2515578) on Monday November 05, 2012 @05:41PM (#41887359)
    Windows RT+Office+Apps is 8GB, not 13GB.
    5GB is a recovery partition.
    3GB is lost* due to 32GB drive = ~32,000,000,000 bytes. System reports that as 29GiB.

    * The advertised local disk size is shown using the decimal system, while Windows displays the disk size using the binary system. As a result, 1 GB (in decimal) appears as about 0.93 GB (in binary). The storage capacity is the same, it's just shown differently depending on the how you measure a GB (decimal or binary).

    • by Jerslan (1088525) *
      Why not do what Apple and Android do with recovery with back-up and restore being "in the cloud" or via a PC? Would shave 5GB off that 13 and make a lot of people happier.
    • 8GiB for RT+Office+apps
      5GiB for recovery

      That's 13GiB gone. From 29GiB, that's almost half.

      'After taking into account Windows RT, Microsoft Office, built-in apps, and Windows recovery tools, nearly 13 GB of the available space is eliminated from user accessible storage.'

      I don't really get what your complaint is here. The summary seems pretty accurate, especially for slashdot.

  • by Princeofcups (150855) <john@princeofcups.com> on Monday November 05, 2012 @05:58PM (#41887545) Homepage

    This may not sound convincing to the nerds who know their way around a computer, but the Surface is a Windows machine, and an iPad is an iPad. The concept of storage device, drive letter, file location is not really required on an iPad. I suppose you can say you need to know whether it is on the iPad or on the Cloud, but that's different from which drive to access to find your movie file, or which memory stick to use (did you label it?). Sure, I'd prefer a device with cheap expandability, but the iPad has sacrificed in a lot of areas to be as simple as possible, and for a vast many people that is a good thing.

    • by chispito (1870390) on Monday November 05, 2012 @06:57PM (#41888147)

      Sure, I'd prefer a device with cheap expandability, but the iPad has sacrificed in a lot of areas to be as simple as possible, and for a vast many people that is a good thing.

      The reason there is no expandable storage is so that you will buy the next model up. Do you really think it costs Apple anything close to another $100 to go from 16GB to 32GB?

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