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HP Shows Off Power Over Ethernet Thin Client 202

Posted by timothy
from the do-not-taunt-happy-thin-client dept.
angry tapir writes "HP has unveiled an all-in-one thin client capable of being powered by an Ethernet cable. The t410 AiO supports the Type 1 Power over Ethernet (PoE) standard, which means it is capable of drawing its power from a network connection, although it can be powered by standard AC power. It uses an ARM-based processor and has an integrated 18.5-inch monitor, and it is capable of being used for virtual desktops through Windows RDP, VMware View and Citrix ICA."
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HP Shows Off Power Over Ethernet Thin Client

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  • ...can it play Crysis?
  • Forget web browsing (Score:4, Interesting)

    by timeOday (582209) on Thursday May 10, 2012 @09:42AM (#39954183)
    Video replay (with sound) and flash apps have become such an integral part of the web that few people would be satisfied with a thin client running any of these protocols. The truism that Average Joes only run lightweight apps is no longer true.
    • by isopropanol (1936936) on Thursday May 10, 2012 @09:51AM (#39954335) Journal

      But for point of sale, front counter, and callcentre work it'll be just fine.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      It supports VMware View (PCoIP) and Citrix ICA.
      Both of these natively support Flash/Video just fine (I'm playing a 720P Youtube Video in my VMware View session right now...)

      • by tom17 (659054)

        We are about to migrate to a VDI infrastructure. My team is scared, as the 'standard' terminals are the RDP-Only Wyse jobbies. But there is an option that we may get the PCoIP ones. I saw a demo and that is less scary.

        How have you found it so far? Sounds like video is OK so that's a relief...

        • by gmack (197796)

          Some of the $30 - $50 Chinese thin clients are a lot more flexible than that. Your other option is XRDP.

          • by tom17 (659054)

            No, my other option is not XRDP, my options are RDP and if I am lucky, PCoIP as stated :)

            Unfortunately, we do not get any say in such matters when it is a different department doing the rollout :(

          • by ckaminski (82854)
            links? curious, I have some interesting ideas for thin clients in home automation...
            • by gmack (197796)

              Been awhile since I've looked but tschn.com [tschn.com] will have some but you can find more on aliexpress.com if you don't mind doing a bit of hunting.

      • by timeOday (582209)
        I am interested. Does a 15W PoE client have the juice to decrypt and decompress a fullscreen, full-resolution video display? What sort of server horsepower is necessary to transcode the youtube video from the flash compression to the client/server encoding in real time?
        • Does a 15W PoE client have the juice to decrypt and decompress a fullscreen, full-resolution video display?

          How much juice does an AVC-playing phone use with the brightness turned all the way down?

          What sort of server horsepower is necessary

          There's a reason Intel is putting IGPs on its CPUs: to assist in video encoding and decoding. Remote desktop becomes not unlike OnLive.

    • by Lumpy (12016)

      I do this all the time on my HP thin clients running from a linux server. you can run flash and java natively on the thin client. at least the X86 ones.

      but in a corporate environment, that is not an issue, 1000bt streams the remote session quite nicely for windows playback.

    • by Vancorps (746090)

      Don't know about your impression of modern thin clients but the XenDesktop remote supports HDX and full screen flash video playback without a problem. I even hook up USB webcams to the thin clients for video conferencing.

      Remember, this is basically just a machine that will remote desktop into a machine with much more horsepower behind it.

    • Average Joes doesn't use Thin Clients of PoE.

      • by aix tom (902140)

        s/use/buys/

        The average Joes and Janes in our shops and work floors *use* them all the time. They have no clue what that small magic black box actually is, and how it's different from their kids stuff back home, but they use it just fine. ;-)

    • by gl4ss (559668)

      people interested in that would rather really buy a 250$ netbook and a hundred bucks monitor, tape the netbook to back of the monitor and run a power cord than buy a thin client that runs over poe. it's going to be cheaper too.

  • I guess that it runs on Mana, if Ethernet can restore it to full power.

    For serious though, this is pretty cool, although I wonder how this standard holds up when under load.

  • by jimmyswimmy (749153) on Thursday May 10, 2012 @09:44AM (#39954207)

    Receptionists, POS terminals, all kinds of good uses. This is the way I set up my computers at home - good desktop, cheap laptop with RDP. I could use one. Unfortunately no idea of the price. At $200 these will sell like crazy. At $400, may as well just get a big netbook. Knowing HP, they'll sell at $450.

    • I knew you were a receptionist!
    • According to this article [itpro.co.uk] HP wants 430 USD for it. Good guess.
    • They might have a lower overall cost. Although since they're purely a thin client and not just web terminals, you might still need a bunch of far more expensive server hardware to support them.

    • The no-screen ARM thin client HP already sells is ~$200(HP t5335z list price, I assume that the rep would cut you a deal if you buy a bunch).

      Based on monitor prices, I'm assuming at least another $100 for the version with a monitor. Quite possibly $400 for a monitor that keeps within PoE energy use limits and reduces cables and loose bits to wander off....
    • by MarkGriz (520778)

      Knowing HP, they'll sell at $450.

      Just wait a few months til they drop to $99

  • Yawn (Score:5, Funny)

    by Bazman (4849) on Thursday May 10, 2012 @09:44AM (#39954209) Journal

    Wake me up when it can do power over wireless ethernet.

  • The Takeaway (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Zero__Kelvin (151819) on Thursday May 10, 2012 @09:47AM (#39954275) Homepage
    The takeaway from the article:

    ... which drops to 10/100 when using PoE, thereby making it only marginally useful for very thin applications.
    • Re:The Takeaway (Score:5, Informative)

      by LoudMusic (199347) on Thursday May 10, 2012 @09:57AM (#39954429)

      If it's a thin client doing RDP or such the speed to the thin client is negligible. I use RDP clients over 2mbit internet connections nearly everyday and it works fine - even with the increased latency. Keep in mind all the file access and disk I/O is taking place on the RDP server, not the thin client. The only data going to and from the thin client is information about how to render the video output. You could even use Photoshop effectively through this.

      • by afidel (530433)
        I did RDP over dialup, though you did need to drop the color depth down to 256 to keep things reasonable and that was Windows 2000 RDP, RDP 6.1 is probably more efficient since I'm sure they've integrated more stuff from ICA by now =)
        • by LoudMusic (199347)

          Absolutely. Some of the RDP connections I make are over 256kbit VSAT connections with greater than five seconds of latency at times. Drop the resolution and color depth and it's usable. But I what I'm saying is that from my experience 2mbit and reasonable latency of 100ms RDP can *seem* like using a 'local OS'. Maybe just a bit sluggish PC ;) But in turn, some aspects can be far superior. Like disk I/O, for example, if you are running an RDP session on a 32 core system with SAN access and want to compress a

      • My experience with RDP is that the mouse cursor is always a couple of pixels off, making it difficult to hit small targets. For example, I find it nearly impossible to resize columns by dragging in Windows 7 Explorer. So Photoshop via RDP? No thanks.

    • How so?

      Gigabit ethernet is overkill for a thin client running business software like a spreadsheet or a word processor, no? These are business machines, and not designed for employees to slack off and watch 720p video streams.

      • by Vancorps (746090)
        We do Autocad with similar equipment and 100meg is more than plenty for those 3d drawings. Gigabit is overkill for anything outside the server room and the Macs that can't go virtual in the office. How I wish they would go off and die.
    • I would be very impressed if you can regularly saturate a 100 mbit port with just an RDP connection.
    • by Joehonkie (665142)
      This clients need considerably less that 100 mbits at the client end of the connection. I have deployed a ton of them and the bandwidth used is usually around 10-20mb or 25-50 mb if you are doing extensive multimedia support (like upstream audio). The backend connections between the switches will obviously need to be more, but they won't e PoE connections, either.
    • by geekmux (1040042)

      The takeaway from the article: ... which drops to 10/100 when using PoE, thereby making it only marginally useful for very thin applications.

      Marginally useful at 100MB? Uh, since this is a terminal primarily designed to run thin applications (RDP, Citrix) which were developed and can be optimized to run over dial-up, I'm failing to see your point here. Even negotiating at 10MB I doubt you would see an impact in an RDP session.

      • "since this is a terminal primarily designed to run thin applications (RDP, Citrix) "

        Right. That is what I said. What part of marginally useful don't you understand? If it was Gigabit, with PXE [wikipedia.org] then it would be relatively useful. Anybody who employs thin clients for RDP and Citrix is wasting money. The cost of paying someone for their time spent waiting far outweighs the cost of the hardware. And yes, I know about TCO claims. The fact is that this approach is outmoded and outdated, and with good reas

    • The really high-end thin client setups might be affected(never mind the ones that demand point-to-point dedicated fiber and are basically remote KVMs with USB support); but I've never seen an RDP, ICA, or X11 thin client environment that assumed GBe all the way to the terminal...

      Pure latency considerations will make it detectable that you aren't sitting at the computer; but thin client protocols are designed to be usable even over boring residential internet connections, 10/100 is comparative luxury.
    • by ltwally (313043)

      The takeaway from the article: ... which drops to 10/100 when using PoE, thereby making it only marginally useful for very thin applications.

      You are incorrect, sir. 100mbit is rather more speed than is necessary for almost any thin client use. RDP, for instance, transmits basic window metrics (ie. "draw a window at x1,y1,x2,y2", etc etc), so is highly bandwidth efficient. In fact, with no fancy GUI effects, RDP can run quite comfortably on 10mbit, or even less. I know this for a fact because I work remotely using RDP quite often.

      Is 100mbit enough to run a RDP session displaying 1080p60 video? No. But, then, that isn't what RDP is for, and

      • by wiedzmin (1269816)

        and this things display only runs at 1366x768.

        And you hit the nail on the head with that one - 80% of users in our call center use dual monitors, some with as high as 2560x1600. But it will work fine for some POS stations or reception desks, I'm sure.

  • Late to the game (Score:2, Informative)

    by Kohenkatz (1166461)
    HP (and the OP) seem to think that they have something revolutionary here. Actually, this has been around for over five years already: http://www.chippc.com/thin-clients/jack-pc/ [chippc.com]
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      ... except the JackPC doesn't power the monitor. HP's new thin client does.

      What this means is that a thin client can be connected and powered using a single cable. Why bother with a thin client that is PoE if you still had to power a monitor?

      I say "Bravo" to HP for the achievement.

  • How well does it run LTSP? If it does that well, then there are good markets for it in schools.
    • If it boots via PXE, or the equivalent, it might be fairly easy to support (for someone in the know). Provided, of course, hardware drivers exist but TI is usually fairly encouraging of free software, e.g. beagleboard.

    • by Vancorps (746090)
      HPs current thin clients work well with LTSP so I have no reason to think these won't.
  • Mind you back them we called them Ethernet killers, and boy was the light show good.

  • by twmcneil (942300) on Thursday May 10, 2012 @10:25AM (#39954811)
    This will be really great for all those places where there is an ethernet cable but no electrical power available. Just think of the possibilities!

    Uh, no. I can't think of any either.
    • by costas (38724)

      PoE means a single UPS to keep all the thin clients alive during power outages. Think call centers in countries with spotty power grids...

      • by steelfood (895457)

        Or, for that matter, if you have dirty power coming out of your main line, you'd only really need a power cleaner in one location for one group of machines.

  • Most offices, POS, warehouses, etc are already going to have power outlets already. You know... to run other stuff.

  • According to HP this draws 13.5 watts when using PoE and yes, that includes the damn display.

    Now if they'd offer similar setups with Linux support, I'd finally be able to get my NetBoot setup working correctly in the office. Much nicer to simply use a thin client that can be easily replaced in moments when they die while ensuring all of the damn data the employees actually need access to are on the servers and properly backed up.

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