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pigrabbitbear writes with an excerpt from an article at Motherboard: "Anyone planning on buying a new iPad should know what they're getting themselves into by now. In recent years, Apple and other hardware manufacturers have made it liquid-crystal clear that they're not fond of the idea that customers can tear open and fix products without the help of licensed repair specialists. Even if it's as easy as ordering a part online and following a few instructions gleaned from a Google search, hardware companies generally seem to prefer we keep the hood closed. It should not be surprising, then, that the latest version of Apple's much-desired tablet has one 'killer' feature that's finally getting the attention it deserves: A design that stops you from getting inside of it."
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iFixit's Kyle Wiens On the War On DIY Electronics

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:20PM (#39409609)

    everyone knows what apple is all about by now.

  • by Machtyn (759119) on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:23PM (#39409637) Homepage Journal
    Even when I was 14 years old, back in the 80's, I knew that Apple's closed system was no good. Yes, at the time, they had better hardware, software, and such, but it wasn't easily upgradeable, not without spending twice more for a part than what you could put in an IBM compatible. And, look what happened, Wintel machines won. More and better innovation came from the hardware manufacturers that had to compete with each other for user's dollars.

    Only software suffered because Microsoft had that locked up. Here Apple won the day for a long time because they did have the more creative designers. Now that we have competition in the OS field, we are starting to see better ideas flourish and rise to the top. We are starting to see better designed software interfaces that allow the user to feel at ease with their computing device.
  • by rockout (1039072) on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:26PM (#39409649)

    Thing is, 95% of consumers don't really care about repairing their own electronics, if not more. The remaining handful of people that choose not to buy an iPad because of its inaccessibility re:DIY repairs aren't going to make enough of a difference to make any manufacturer change their ways, even assuming ALL of them refuse to buy iPads.

    If you look at it objectively, Apple, or anyone else, is pretty much just giving people what they want. It doesn't seem like this 'killer' feature is designed to keep people from accessing the insides of the iPad; after all, what percentage of iPad 1 owners were tinkering around with the insides of it? An insignificant amount, from the perspective of the company selling millions of the thing.

  • by rockout (1039072) on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:30PM (#39409673)
    Your analogy falls apart in recent years though, when you look at the popularity of the iPad and iPhone. Still closed systems, but more "open" options still can't touch them, sales-wise. Probably because these devices aren't just for geeks anymore, and back in the day, a greater % of the PC-owning public was geeks that wanted to tinker with their systems. Now, the vast majority of people buying tablets and smartphones just want it to work - much like when you buy a car; only a small % of people are customizing it with their own after-market parts.
  • Re:follow my lead (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:35PM (#39409709)
    microUSB is so widely used now i would consider it a standard...
  • This just in! (Score:0, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:38PM (#39409727)

    Most compact consumer level electronic not meant to be serviced by the end user, of which only 0.0001% have the actual skill and know-how to fix in the first place!
     
    News at 11.
     
    Aside from a replaceable battery and memory cards, there isn't a thing I would trust users to touch in any tablet made in the last 5 years. Since iPad supports neither of these I guess the entire point is that there is no real point at all. Most end users can't be bothered to put their own memory in a PC let alone do anything that involves a soldering iron. Maybe Apple was wise to keep the consumer away from such dickering.
     
    And no, I don't own an iPad. I would take one for free but I have no intentions of buying one. I just think that the endless tirade about end users not being free to fuck with their gadgets is getting a bit old. You want something to try your hand at building some circuits? Buy an Arduino. You want a compact piece of hardware that can reasonably take the place of 90% of end users needs? Buy a tablet. If you're one of the 1 in 100,000 who ever gets beyond these two concepts? You already know where to go and what to do.

  • by R3d M3rcury (871886) on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:38PM (#39409729) Journal

    I tend to agree--with one caveat.

    Many of the people who buy these things are also short-sighted. They love their iPad/iPhone/Droid RAZR because it's thin and lightweight and sexy and cool. Of course, then the battery goes and..."$100 TO REPLACE A #@&*! BATTERY?!"

    About the same time, the next generation comes out and they say, "Gosh, this looks like a good excuse to get rid of my antique iPad/iPhone/Droid RAZR and pick up the new hotness..." whereas if they had a battery that was conveniently replaceable, people who probably do that instead of even considering it...

  • by Darinbob (1142669) on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:40PM (#39409741)

    "Giving people what the want" sounds like a phrase recycled from tobacco companies.

    It is true that most people don't want to DIY anything. The snag comes because what used to be an extremely common situation is now considered something that only approved technicians can do: replace the battery. Replacing a battery should not require complex tricks or the possibility of breaking a device and yet so many naive people are taking for granted that batteries are no longer replaceable because they have no desire to hang onto a product longer than a year or two.

  • The Sad Truth... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by tpstigers (1075021) on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:52PM (#39409807)

    ...is that Apple just knows its market. The average consumer is perfectly happy to purchase and use devices they cannot service themselves. This is true of their cars, their phones, their televisions, their refrigerators and their washers (just to name a few) - why would they argue over a tablet they cannot service themselves?

    Personally, I have no desire to own any Apple product of any kind, precisely because of this kind of crap. However, I frequently recommend their products to my less technologically-inclined friends. Not because there's anything particularly wonderful about the products, but because they are simple to use.

  • Re:follow my lead (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 93 Escort Wagon (326346) on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:54PM (#39409817)

    The majority of Apple consumers don't care.

    The majority of consumers don't care. Period.

  • by ozmanjusri (601766) <aussie_bob.hotmail@com> on Monday March 19, 2012 @10:56PM (#39409833) Journal

    There even seem to be references to this in TFA...

    And right at the top of the teardown there was a little disclaimer:

    "Teardowns provide a look inside a device and should not be used as disassembly instructions.

    Also notably absent were any reassembly instructions. One way DIY for very expensive toys is unlikely to become popular, and you might even say it's discouraging...

  • Re:follow my lead (Score:2, Insightful)

    by pecosdave (536896) * on Monday March 19, 2012 @11:06PM (#39409875) Homepage Journal

    I used to have an iPhone, company issued of course.

    My iPhone had a smaller screen, was less capable with Bluetooth, required a special cable to charge, wouldn't charge in every USB charger and would bitch if I tried to use an unapproved 5v source and was also lacking an HDMI port.

    Apple fails at being user friendly.

  • by Opportunist (166417) on Monday March 19, 2012 @11:07PM (#39409887)

    Erh... I hope you're kidding. The first Apple was the epitome of hack-it-yourself. Hell, it was pretty much worthless if you didn't have a good idea of electronics!

  • by mspohr (589790) on Monday March 19, 2012 @11:09PM (#39409909)

    The Kindle Fire is easy to open. The device is easy to slip out of the case by gently prying around the edges. There's no need for Apple to glue the ipad together. They could have done the same thing as the Fire.

  • by pecosdave (536896) * on Monday March 19, 2012 @11:13PM (#39409939) Homepage Journal

    Red Herring.

    You can have difficult to repair due to space constraints, and that's justifiable. Active denial systems and booby traps are a whole separate issue.

    The later model Mac Books that are sealed actually have very easy to replace cells, there's nothing about them that would make a cordless phone style cell replacement (yes land line cordless), out of the question. It's protectionism 100%

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 19, 2012 @11:15PM (#39409959)

    The real reason that consumer electronics are so difficult to repair has nothing to do with corporate conspiracy. Electronic design has shifted over the past generation from using large and discrete components to being almost exclusively dependent on integrated circuits and highly miniaturized surface mount devices. Twenty years ago perhaps, a hobbyist could get out a volmeter and soldering iron to trace a circuit problem to an individual transistor within, say, a pre-amp or filter assembly, and then easily replace the defective part within minutes. Now the entire assembly, formerly involving dozens of components, has been replaced by a single and often very tiny IC chip. In addition, any resistors or capacitors in modern circuits, once large enough for anyone to easily manipulate, have now been reduced to the size of grains of salt and are nearly impossible to extract and replace. In fact, the rule is that it is now much cheaper to simply dispose of defective circuitry than it is to attempt any kind or repair.

    Replacing a battery, touch pad, or screen may still be within the realm of possibility, but broken electronics are better just destroyed and replaced with new.

  • by Squiddie (1942230) on Monday March 19, 2012 @11:21PM (#39409997)
    Why is this modded down? For once, Anonymous Coward is perfectly correct. Don't buy their products. We already know that Apple is about walled gardens and taking control from the user.
  • by greenbird (859670) on Monday March 19, 2012 @11:28PM (#39410047)

    Thing is, 95% of consumers don't really care about repairing their own electronics,

    It's not about people repairing there own electronics. It's about being forced to go to the manufacturer if you need even minor repairs or maintenance. Think how much an oil change in your car would cost if you were required to only go to the dealer or your warranty was voided.

  • by c.r.o.c.o (123083) on Monday March 19, 2012 @11:30PM (#39410053)

    Making it easy for things to come apart and be put back together takes space. The bigger the space budget, the more repairable and upgradable things have been. This has always been the case. This is why laptops have been more hassle than desktops, and why the iPad, which is shoved in there VERY tightly, is even worse.

    So really, you figure out what's important to you. Is it more important to have a device you can easily repair, or is it more important that it be thin and light? With tablets, few people vote for heavy and repairable since they've been available for years in the Windows Tablet Edition space.

    You were modded insightful, but you're wrong. One example in the smartphone realm is the HTC Sensation. It is slightly larger than the iPhone because it houses a 4.3in screen making it far more useable for my imperfect eyesight. However it is as thin, and if you drop it on concrete from ear height, nothing happens. I tested it. It has user replaceable battery, screen, and anything else you could reasonably want to replace without a soldering iron. HTC was very ingenious in the Sensation design, because unlike many manufacturers that either glue shut the entire device or use a flimsy backplate for the battery, the Sensation's entire casing comes off in one piece at the press of a tab. Solid, functional, slim.

    Another smartphone example is the Nokia N9, and its cousin the Nokia Lumia 800. The casing is a single polycarbonate piece that wraps around the internals. On the surface it only has two flaps that cover the SIM and microUSB. Yet you take out two screws under the flaps and everything slides out, making it accessible. And it's as small as the iPhone.

    In terms of laptops, the Sony Vaio SZ, the Acer Aspire 3820TG, and a whole bunch of others were MUCH faster than equivalent MacBooks, while still being fully user serviceable. I've taken dozens of laptops apart, replaced components inside including the motherboard, and NONE were as difficult to access as Apple products.

    I can't comment on tablets from personal experience, but I have looked at a Samsung a friend has. Intel Core i5, 4Gb RAM, microSSD, plenty of ports, 5+h battery life running Windows 7 and it's marginally thicker but about the same size as the iPad. Again, user accessible as far as I could tell.

    Face it, Apple CHOOSES to make their products the way they are. They even went as far as to invent a completely new screw type just to prevent people fro accessing their Macbooks. Sony used to be as bad, but a declining market share smartened them up a bit. Watching the iFixit video you can see the screen is glued all around, which may make sense. But why not put a few screws on the back so the back plate can detach, making battery replacement easy? Not swappable on a daily basis, just once every couple of years.

    Stop making excuses for a company that is worth more than half a trillion dollars. They DO think different(ly), as they've gotten screwing their customers down to an art form. And their customers love it.

  • by Black Parrot (19622) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @12:03AM (#39410237)

    We already know that Apple is about walled gardens and taking control from the user.

    So sad. I remember my astonishment upon buying my Apple ][ and seeing the user's guide encourage me to pop the top off and have a look. How different from all the stereo components I had been buying!

    But now they're the worst of all... marketing and user lock-in have utterly triumphed over everything else.

    And *nothing* annoys me more than their "Sent from my iFad" appended to e-mail messages. So long, commercial-free e-mail.

  • by Grishnakh (216268) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @12:06AM (#39410255)

    Exactly right. I just bought two HTC Sensation smartphones (one for wife), and replacing the battery in this this is dead-easy: just press in the little button on the bottom, peel back the case, and the battery comes right out, plus the SD card if you want to swap for a larger one. Those old arguments Apple had about having to make cases not-easily-openable to be thin are bullshit; these phones are just as slim as the iPhone4. So I can easily buy a bigger battery (Seidio makes one with greater capacity in the same exact size for $50), and upgrade the storage with a standard microSD card, without having to go visit those arrogant jerks at the Apple store and pay a fortune.

    This article is really full of it. It looks at Apple, and then says the entire electronics industry is going that way. It couldn't be more wrong. Yes, Apple crap is made to be as non-repairable as possible, but all the competition is completely the opposite. All the Android and Windows phones I've seen have easily-replaced batteries. I haven't looked at tablets, but I imagine they're the same. Apple is in a category by itself, and its practices do not reflect the industry in general. The fact that a bunch of morons happily buy their junk doesn't mean the whole world is moving to unrepairable electronics, and they're not a monopoly so consumers do have plenty of choices.

  • by 0100010001010011 (652467) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @12:10AM (#39410265)

    And what does it matter? Is my refrigerator a walled garden because it's hard to get into and fix? Is my dishwasher a walled garden? How about my car? My car now has a fancy computer that needs a special adapter and software to interface, is that a walled garden?

    My girlfriend and I have identical phones. I spent the weekend rooting hers and updating it past where the carrier did. I spent the other part of my weekend trying to figure out how to convert rle images to png and back, unpacking the boot package abootimg and trying to mount /sd-ext and move /data to it.

    She hated what I did. She wanted it to 'just work'. No customizing, nothing. Sprint did a good enough job for her to be happy with it. She doesn't want root, or walpapers or anything fancy, she just wants a phone that works. She'd be perfectly happy with the iPhone (but Sprint didn't have it when she switched.)

    My aunt, a doctor, loves her iPhone. She hasn't done anything but the most basic customization to it. SHE DOESN'T CARE. If it breaks, she buys a new one or pays to fix the old one. She walks into an Apple store and the transaction is done. She doesn't want to try and take her phone apart. She doesn't care how it was assembled. She doesn't care about walled gardens or who has 'ultimate' control. She wants her e-mail and a web browser in her pocket that syncs with her Mac. Apple gives her that.

    Not everyone in the world is a computer nerd. There's a reason Dell, Apple, etc make a profit. You sneer at everyone that 'over pays' when it's obvious you just need an AM-3 socket motherboard and AM-3 socket AMD, matching fan and you could easily have a computer than is much cheaper. But people don't want to spend time building a computer, they want facebook, gmail and porn. If you came up with a device that did that, cost $100 and the end user had to sign away their rights to vote in the next election you couldn't keep the thing on the shelf.

    If you want open sourced everything, go get the openmoko.

  • by TheCarp (96830) <`ten.tenaprac' `ta' `cjs'> on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @12:21AM (#39410321) Homepage

    ][ Forever motherfuckers! Still sore about the total lack of an upgrade path.... and with it the complete abandonment of that early geeky coolness. You could bring those up with no disk at all, start writting basic, drop into the built in assembler. Maybe it wasn't that useful like that, but boy did it ever get my curiosity going as a kid.

    Loved Apple of the 80s.

  • by epyT-R (613989) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @12:36AM (#39410379)

    anonymous coward only talks about half the equation.. it is a passive-aggressive reactionary tactic typically presented as the only 'moral' solution. the question it doesn't answer is what does one do when it's all locked down (as is the trend nowadays)? being painted into a corner is inevitable where one is forced into something one doesn't really want, but needs, to accomplish something else timely/conveniently. unfortunately, that something else is now less pleasant than it used to be because of its newfound dependency on user-hostile technology masquerading as convenience. Since the amount of activities computing affects are legion and growing every day, there could be a point where where one's whole LIFE is a list of things one is/was forced into but doesn't really want because of designed-in hostility to one's rights/personal sovereignty.

    In fact, society at large is going down this passive-aggressive path when it comes to rights and it is a big problem if one cares for personal liberty, not just politically, but also in terms of what one may do with his property and existence. the only way to break this is constant, active effort to work around/break the locking put in place by corporates/governments who want to build artificial scarcity into their markets/societies at the expense of those who are footing the bill so they can charge/tax more money/power.

  • by mjwx (966435) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @12:53AM (#39410457)

    And what does it matter? Is my refrigerator a walled garden because it's hard to get into and fix? Is my dishwasher a walled garden? How about my car?

    You think a refrigerator or washing machine is hard to fix?

    Hand in you man card right now.

    In the last six months I've replaced a leaky hose on a washer, Re-fixed the compressor on a fridge (it was making that shaking sound all night because it had come loose) and lets not get started on my car. In the last six months I've replaced an actuator in the right rear door (central locking stopped working on the rear RH door), replaced my left wing mirror casing (thanks to some douchebag trying to pass me on the left at 60 and that's a right hand drive and KPH, I live in Oz) and replaced the clutch. The engine my have "no user serviceable parts inside" but the engine is not the entire car and the only reason I dont touch the engine is because I dont know that much about their internal workings.

    If you think whitegoods or cars are walled gardens, you clearly dont know much about either of them or walled gardens.

    This is the problem people are trying to point out, so much could be repaired but people treat it as disposable, creating waste and wasting money.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @12:58AM (#39410487)

    My car now has a fancy computer that needs a special adapter and software to interface, is that a walled garden?

    It is, and that's a problem. If your dishwasher is obfuscated to make it harder for third-party mechanics to fix it, that's a problem. If your washing machine refuses to work if it contains socks from a non-partner clothing manufacturer, that's a problem. Any time a device you own acts in a way to benefit its manufacturer at your expense, that's a problem which wouldn't occur in an ideal free-market, but may require legislation to prevent in the real world.

  • by Grishnakh (216268) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @12:59AM (#39410497)

    Bullshit. The HTC is larger because it has a bigger screen. It's just as thin as the iPhone4.

    And Android has surpassed iOS according to the latest stats, so apparently consumers do give a shit about these things. Just not the morons like you who buy Apple shit.

  • by tlhIngan (30335) <slashdot@worfMOSCOW.net minus city> on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @01:13AM (#39410539)

    This article is really full of it. It looks at Apple, and then says the entire electronics industry is going that way. It couldn't be more wrong. Yes, Apple crap is made to be as non-repairable as possible, but all the competition is completely the opposite. All the Android and Windows phones I've seen have easily-replaced batteries. I haven't looked at tablets, but I imagine they're the same. Apple is in a category by itself, and its practices do not reflect the industry in general. The fact that a bunch of morons happily buy their junk doesn't mean the whole world is moving to unrepairable electronics, and they're not a monopoly so consumers do have plenty of choices.

    First, the reason why products are going adhesive sealed is not to impact user-repairability (I'd be surprised if anyone really cared) but because it's easier to assemble, and it looks a lot neater. And people care about looks.

    Want to know what I hate most about Samsung phones? Especially after buying a Gnex? The damn battery cover! Such a flimsy piece of plastic holding the battery in and threatening to break if you pop it on or off a bit too often. Sorry, but for a premium smartphone I demand something more than a flimsy piece of plastic cheaply clicked in.

    And you know why? It's because it's the only way to make a battery cover that doesn't take up huge amounts of volume with the latching mechanism. Short of going the Apple way, it's practically impossible. And the plastic has to be flimsy because it has to have elasticity so it doesn't break the first time you take it out of the box to put in the battery.

    Hell, Apple does have something to the whole sealed battery thing. Outside of business users, who has purchased a spare battery for their laptop or cellphone? I'd bet a good 99.5% of the population doesn't. As long as the battery doesn't completely crap out, if it still works by the end of the contract, most consumers go for a new phone on contract. And I'm sure half the people who complain about their phone getting crap battery life could fix it by replacing the battery. But they won't - they'd just get a new phone.

    Ditto with laptops - if the battery lasts 3 years, that's good enough. If the laptop still works, they'll just treat it as a computer without a battery. I know of a lot of people who run laptops with dead batteries. And no, they won't buy a replacement - even if they can buy it. Spending $50 to buy a battery for a computer now worth $50 on Craigslist?

    So Apple realized if people aren't willing to change batteries, might as well make the whole device nicer and use the volume for more battery.

    As for fixing, it's a niche. It's economically infeasible to repair technology these days, at least in North America. For example, you buy a TV for $1000. Three years down, it breaks and getting it fixed will probably cost you easily $500. Do you fix it, or buy a new brand new TV with gee-whiz-bangs? Ditto a computer - if the motherboard dies after 3 years, are you going to spend the $400 to fix it, or just buy a newer faster one for more?

    And anything under $200 or so is not worth fixing. That 20" monitor? It'll cost $200 for a tech to fix it out of warranty, so just buy a new one.

    Hell, some of the budget brand crap have horrendous warranties. Sure they'll fix it - just pack your 52" TV back in the box, and send it to our China repair warehouse. It has to get there in 30 days. Thus shipping alone would cost you couple hundred bucks to get a warranty repair.

    Repairing stuff is a hobby. Treat it as such and you'll be happy - you'll get tons of broken and "broken" stuff from friends, family and neighbours that you can fix up and enjoy.

  • by Pseudonym (62607) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @01:18AM (#39410575)

    Even if you can't fix your fridge, there are plenty of people who can, none of whom require permission from the manufacturer. This prevents the manufacturer and the repairer forming a cartel.

  • by macs4all (973270) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @01:24AM (#39410593)
    The new iPad uses EXACTLY the same construction techniques as the iPad 2 and the original iPad. So why all the vitriol?

    Two words: Page Hits.

    I watched iFixIt's teardown of the new iPad. Even though getting inside was EXACTLY the same as getting inside the iPad2, iFixit saw fit to not only give the new iPad a "2 out of 10" score on "repairability"; but, IN AN UNPRECEDENTED MOVE, also "downgraded" the iPad 2 to the same score (former score was 4 out of 10). This is asinine.

    Once you get past the use of industrial adhesives for the front glass (and actually including the use of adhesives), the iPads have relatively standard consumer-electronics construction techniques. Yes, the battery is also staked-down; but as you can see from the iFixit video, they were able to pull it free from the bottom "pan". It isn't like it was a one-piece-molded-in assembly, or even worse, a "potted" assembly. In fact, if you look at the pan, they only use a couple small puddles of glue (why waste money). Just enough to keep the battery from rattling-around. Certainly not enough to keep ANYONE from removing it. And obviously, that glue is meant to stay pliable (like silicone rubber adhesives), so it won't even deform the bottom pan when it is removed. Yeah, Apple sure wants to keep a reasonable repair tech (or dedicated hobbyist) from replacing that battery...

    Please.

    So, speaking as a former electronic bench-tech, and later, a designer of several industrial products that, since around 1992, have employed industrial-adhesives to solve assembly problems where basically no "fastener" would work (and, just like with the iPad, and with my industrial (DC motor-control) product designs, you will see adhesives used often in display-portions of a product's "packaging"), I submit that if having to use a hair dryer and some guitar picks is too much for you, then you really are too lame to be working inside of the device, anyway.

    Many, many, many consumer and industrial packaging designs employ the use of industrial adhesives. In fact, you'd be amazed at how many things are "glued together". At least Apple used a thermoplastic (rather than thermosetting) glue. Any other design would have called for fugly fastener "wells" on the backside of the device.

    A device that, aside from the (massively-custom) battery (which will likely last longer than the average person keeps that generation of the product, anyway), there truly are "no user-serviceable parts inside".

    Not one person in 1,000 reading my words has the skill nor equipment necessary to do component-level repair on anything as densely-populated as your average smartphone or tablet; and for those who want to attempt "module-level" repair, then the iPad (all generations) is no harder to get into than thousands of other devices you come in contact with every single day.

    Do you whine because you can't (for all practical purposes) replace the keypad on your remote control? (I'm sure SOMEONE does; but...). Do you complain because you can't effectively repair your DVD burner? Does it burn you to realize that the display portion of your modern, thin, laptop most likely employs the same industrial adhesives as are used on the iPad?

    So again, why does Apple get singled-out for using the exact-same assembly techniques as the rest of the consumer-electronics industry?

    As I said above: Page Hits.

    Now, watch as some fucktard on slashdot dismisses all this logical argument, simply because of my username. You guys are really pathetic sometimes... Grow up, will ya?!?
  • by macs4all (973270) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @01:41AM (#39410645)

    And *nothing* annoys me more than their "Sent from my iFad" appended to e-mail messages. So long, commercial-free e-mail.

    I note that you didn't include the "Sent from my Android Phone" (got one of those from my Nephew the other day) and "Sent from my Windows Phone" (get those from at least one of my employer's clients). Both of those platforms have a built-in Sig, too.

    But yet, once again, it is Apple that gets singled-out.

    Fucktard.

  • by jandrese (485) <kensama@vt.edu> on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @01:47AM (#39410667) Homepage Journal

    So long, commercial-free e-mail.

    Oh man, you're going to flip out when I tell you about this thing we call spam.

  • by justforgetme (1814588) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @01:48AM (#39410683) Homepage

    The problem is that the apple2 came from a company that shared Woz' philosophy and the iPad came from a company that shares Jobs' philosophy.. Same trademark different companies.

  • by justforgetme (1814588) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @01:53AM (#39410703) Homepage

    Now think of how much bone idleness stands between that and:

    FBI’s Joint Regional Intelligence Center heavily implies this [tinkering being suspicious behavior], suggesting that individuals engaged in certain technical activities should be regarded as “suspicious” and specifically mentioning people who "download or transfer files with ‘how-to’ content, such as [] information about timers, electronics, or remote transmitters/receivers.”

    Well done modern society, you made your visionaries and future inventors criminals in order to help the establishment to even more money.

  • by khoonirobo (1316521) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @02:10AM (#39410757)

    I think the reason a lot of people which get outraged by such practices (nerds as you call them) are outraged not because we expect everybody to be able to do these things. In most cases, even we don't have the time and or energy to all these things and hire a professional. But we get outraged because it becomes difficult or impossible for these things to happen.

    The point is, it's not necessary that everybody should fix their dishwasher. But it should be possible to do so, if somebody is so inclined. For the world to head in a direction where the only possible way to replace a battery in a personal electronic device is to go to the manufacturers service centre and have it fixed is akin to eroding of our rights as a consumer of the goods.

  • by macs4all (973270) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @02:16AM (#39410789)

    If you have trouble fixing your dishwasher, or fridge, then you have problems. Those are easy and you can get manuals and schematics from the manufacturer most of the time. As for your car, yes that is a a walled garden. They do that on purpose. I don't care that others want their things to just work, but should I use the same things just because others are content to overpay? I don't think so. It's like telling me that I should not be angry that my car now cannot have oil changes at home because most people would prefer not to do it themselves. I don't care, and an iPad is a device I won't buy.

    You do realize you're not only insane; but reflect the views of approximately .000000000000001% of the population, don't you?

    Even on Slashdot, most people aren't fixing their own dishwasher, fridge, or A/V equipment. And I would imagine that not 1 in 100 on this forum would consider the firmware in their Car, VCR, DVD Recorder, Refrigerator, or TV a true example of a "Walled Garden".

  • by psergiu (67614) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @02:29AM (#39410857)

    Mod Parent Up !

    If you were to lazy to read everything the points are:
    - the new iPad opens exactly the same as the previous two ones. iFixit re-edited their old guides where they said how easy they can service iPads;
    - Apple uses glues that allow opening, they could have used permanent glues for the same price;
    - Once you unglue the screen, the rest is easily serviceable.

    My guess that iFixit just searches for a reason to hike up the price for servicing iPads. And to serve ads to and track (9 tracking scripts on that page!) /.-ers who are RTFA.

  • by 0100010001010011 (652467) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @02:35AM (#39410877)

    Lets go back and look at what YOU said.

    You think a refrigerator or washing machine is hard to fix?
    Hand in you man card right now.

    I posed the hypothetical question of devices being difficult to fix for any lay person of the general populous. You then turned that around and told me to hand in my 'man card' because it's something that you find easy. Can't do molecular physics? Well hand in your man card. Who says I even have a 'man card' to begin with? You took a basic argument about walled gardens, how in this day in age no one knows everything and some people prefer to just pay for 'ease' and turned it into a dick swinging contest.

  • by Raenex (947668) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @04:26AM (#39411255)

    Lets go back and look at what YOU said.

    It wasn't me that said it, but he's spot on.

    I posed the hypothetical question of devices being difficult to fix for any lay person of the general populous.

    You tried to equate how hard it was to fix a refrigerator to the "walled garden" iPad, and specifically said it was difficult, then claimed in a later post that it wasn't, just not worth the time. There are a lot of do-it-yourself laypeople that can and do make simple repairs to their home appliances, which are often designed for accessibility. You can't even simply replace the battery on an iPad, the kind of thing that lots of laypeople do. In other words, your comparison was ridiculous.

    Aside from just laypeople, this also impacts recycling. From a link in the article: "Apple claims the new iPad is environmentally friendly with a 'recyclable aluminum and glass enclosure.' The materials may be recyclable, but the assembled unit is not. We spoke yesterday with Steve Skurnac, president of SIMS Recycling Solutions--one of the largest electronics recyclers in the world. He told us, 'Sealed units make it difficult to remove the batteries. From a recycler's point of view, the hazardous components [like batteries] need to be easily separated or removed.'"

  • by L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @06:38AM (#39411651)

    IAAM. (I Am A Mechanic.)

    INUT.EAWAUOO,AAUTBUAWOAETMOTA/IIAEIWE. (I never understood this. Explaining acronyms which are used only once, and are unlikely to be used again without once again explaining the meaning of the acronym / initialism is an exercise in wasted effort. )

  • by yoshi_mon (172895) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @09:06AM (#39412345)

    The thing is not only could I fix my fridge if I so desired, I can shop around to see who is going to give me the best price on fixing my fridge. I don't have to only call Maytag and be beholden to whatever they say. I can get Joe's Fix-It shop to do it for me.

    And further me or Joe fixing the fridge is not being classified by FUCKING FBI AS A POTENTIAL "SUSPICIOUS" PERSON!

    And we are the ones that are insane?

  • by yodleboy (982200) on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @09:36AM (#39412559)
    Instead Apple keeps things simple for those that need it, but allows expansive access for those that really want it.

    You can't be serious. The entire Apple philosophy these days is one size fits all.
  • by mcgrew (92797) * on Tuesday March 20, 2012 @03:59PM (#39417979) Homepage Journal

    Why should a high end device be fragile? For what an iThing costs they should make them from kevlar and gorilla glass. I should not NEED to return a high end device under warrantee; it should (duh!) be well designed and manufactured for quality, and it should be durable.

    Sometimes you don't get what you pay for. If you have to buy "warrantee insurance" for a "high end" product, you're being robbed willingly.

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