Dual-Core Android PC Now Comes On a USB Stick 178
absolut.evil writes "FXI Technologies has taken a dual core smartphone-esque computer and put it into a little USB stick. Neat. This allows you to plug into anything with a screen, USB port, and input device and run your own instance of Android. It weighs 21 grams and contains 'a dual-core 1.2-GHz Samsung Exynos ARM CPU (same as in the Galaxy S II), 802.11n Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, HDMI-out and a microSD card slot for memory.'"
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Consumer pricing has not yet been established, but product is expected to be available in volumes the second half of 2012.
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If it's over $25 then it's a no go...
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Re:!Now (Score:5, Informative)
I mean what is the point of firing up an entire computer only to run ANOTHER full computer in a USB form factor?
I'm beginning to understand why you seem to be trolling all the time. It might help if you slowed down a little and read TFA (yeah, I know...)
Here, this might help:
"When connected to an HDTV, it uses the HDMI port for video, the USB for power, and Bluetooth to connect to a keyboard, mouse, or tablet for controlling the operating system."
Just slow down a little, understand what you're commenting on, and you'll come across as a much nicer person. I'm sure you're a good bloke at heart.
Personally, I'm looking at these things and thinking Amarino [amarino-toolkit.net]. If MIT can get it's act together and make it possible to include Amarino events in App Inventor, toys like this could really fire up home robotics. Imagine being able to use the voice control and face recognition in Ice Cream Sandwich to control real interactions!
These things are very cool, and they'll only get cheaper.
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All the hacking power you will ever need in a readily concealable device, everyone lock up your USB ports, right now.
Shite summary strikes again (Score:2)
Rather contradicts the summary, which says
My interpretation of that was the same as Hairyfeet's. I was rather wondering how it could take over the host machine via a USB port that's designed to connect to peripherals (
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I can read better than you can write, that's for sure.
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I think I did mention emulators, but in any case that isn't what the slashvertisement, ummm, summary claimed.
Again, how would it access the screen, keyboard etc. of the device it's plugged into? That is what the summary claimed.
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Re:!Now (Score:5, Informative)
Whoosh. You completely missed the point of my post.
I think you're the one missing everybody else's point.
Maybe it's different in the US, but virtually every HDTV sold over here already has at least one USB port. This thing would turn those TVs into a usable computer.
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So you entirely missed the part about plugging it into an HDTV via the HDMI connector? You know, the primary usage scenario?
Well done.
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You mean like the $99 phone? You mean like an Archos media player tablet that comes with an Android app for your phone to remote control the Tablet if you want to use it via the HDMI connector? Basically Android is mobile/tablet operating system, and does that rather well (certainly better than say iOS? *g*). But for a general purpose desktop it's not very well suited. Add to this the price and you get a business failure?
(Philosophically a general purpose Linux computer with say Debian with 16-32GB speedy S
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Sun Microsystems once embedded a Windows PC into their workstations, just so that CAD engineers could read their E-mail from Microsoft Exchange and other apps. It would open up as a seperate window.
VMware does the same - using virtualization, you can run Windows XP on a Linux distribution.
Maybe the PC is a laptop that has a high resolution screen (1280x1024 upwards) but a slow or old GPU. This would seem a great way of upgrading the latter.
The price is going to be the big issue, with the upper limit being t
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http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/11/android-cotton-candy-fxi/ [wired.com]
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Wired says it will be less than $200:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/11/android-cotton-candy-fxi/ [wired.com]
I think I'll stick with the $25 Pi, thanks.
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I'm going for the $35 dollar one with twice the ram. The raspberry pi seems cooler to me. I don't really want android as a computer operating system.
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This device raises an interesting question: can the Raspberry Pi be used as an Android host? It seems inevitable that someone will try that out.
It certainly has sufficient hardware, and it obviously runs Linux, so if it doesn't run on it now, it will soon. I indeed am planning to use Raspberry Pi for a media player and general STB.
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overpriced and not even priced yet (Score:2)
FXI hasn’t set pricing yet for the Cotton Candy, but expects it to cost considerably less than $200 per unit.
So it might be less than $200, but maybe not. At anywhere near that price it would make a lot more sense to just buy a low end Android device that you can carry with you than to try to make this thing work with other devices. And I don't believe the claim that you can just plug this into anything with a USB port and somehow magically take it over. Might work on a few Windows boxes, but there
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FXI hasn’t set pricing yet for the Cotton Candy, but expects it to cost considerably less than $200 per unit.
So it might be less than $200, but maybe not. At anywhere near that price it would make a lot more sense to just buy a low end Android device that you can carry with you than to try to make this thing work with other devices. And I don't believe the claim that you can just plug this into anything with a USB port and somehow magically take it over. Might work on a few Windows boxes, but there is no way that they can design it to take over everything with a USB port on it.
If it had a firewire port which allows a connected device DMA access to memory, then I would think it could potentially take over. Actually this would make one heck of a keylogger if it had firewire. You could read anything in memory at any time.
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With firewire you could connect it to a mac with the mac in "target disk mode." That would be neat.
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there is no way that they can design it to take over everything with a USB port on it
More like "anything that can boot from USB or alternatively, install the host side usb driver"
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Exactly. Why do we have to have a post about a press release for a product that may or may not actually come into existence next year?
A year is a very long time in this game, things will be very different, those specs will be obsolete for one thing.
If it ships, then we can discuss it, the usual suspects can troll, folks can point out it is pointless for reasons a, b and c. And so on.
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Angry Birds (Score:4, Funny)
Good. Now I can play Angry Birds on my computer at work.
Do you need to be admin for usb part in a system (Score:2)
TO work as if they be plugged in to any system and just start being able to use the systems video out, keyboard and mouse makes it seem a good hackers tool.
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If you can get the Chrome browser on your work computer, you can do that already.
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If you can get the Chrome browser on your work computer, you can do that already.
Hell, if you have Windows, Mac OS X, or {fill in your other x86 UN*X}+Wine on your work computer, you can do that already. I think the person to whom you were responding may have known that and just tossed in a bit of snark.
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My work computers run Windows XP, IE6 and Firefox 3.5 - no Flash in either browser. How can I run Angry Birds on that shitheap?
By going to Rovio's Angry Birds shop's page for Angry Birds PC Version [angrybirds.com] and paying USD 4.95 or whatever the local price is for you? There's nothing there to indicate that it runs in a Web browser as a Flash game.
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Do you think my work computer would be running IE6 and Firefox 3.5 if I could install my own software? Shit, I can't even fire up Task Manager to kill an errant app.
You might have bigger problems than not being able to play Angry Birds...
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What if your work standardizes on IE6?
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Then it is time to find a new job. :)
Developers (Score:5, Interesting)
But $200 seems a little steep since a real tablet can be purchased for that price range (although with perhaps with less CPU/RAM). $50-$100 would probably be the sweet point.
Actually this reminds me of something I thought of when Siri came out. How long is it going to take for someone to come out with a screenless / keypadless phone that is pure voice recognition (built into a headset like a BT headset??)? Same thing for GPS units (rather than being distracted by a map you just have to listen to the directions, much like having a person reading you directions "like in the old days"). That would extend battery life, reduce costs, although would also reduce it to the basic functionality (sorry no angry birds).
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I can understand developers would like this, since the android emulator in the SDK is slower than molasses in (northern) December.
I suppose ICS would not be an issue to get on this for the future.
But $200 seems a little steep since a real tablet can be purchased for that price range (although with perhaps with less CPU/RAM). $50-$100 would probably be the sweet point.
It appears that this is not to be thought of as some sort of substitute phone (or other mobile device) but a way to take the effort into mobile development (Angry Birds, ultra low power graphics, etc.) and plaster it on a big screen. $200 might be a little steep for a set-side box (as we can see with the trouble Google TV and Apple TV have had) but if the price comes down or if there is a particularly killer app (portability is already a wow factor) then this might be a popular little gadget. I can pictur
Re:Developers (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not sure that would stop them. Can you imagine all the people on the train playing angry birds by voice command!?
It's a good thing my headphones are sound isolating. I'd hate to have to listen to that.
Re:Developers (Score:5, Funny)
Large metropolis, 7:30 Monday morning, a train heading towards the CBD:
Commuter1: "Caw"
Commuter2: "Caw-caw"
Commuter3: "Caw-caw, caw-caw"
Commuter1: "Caw-ca-caw-caw"
Commuter3: "Caw-caw-caw-caw"
Commuter1: "Caw-caw, Damn, hey Commuter3, keep it down will you? I'm in the middle of a game!"
Commuter3: "Shut up Commuter1, you stupid loser, Caw-caw-caw-caw-caw-caw....caw!"
Commuter2: "Hey guys, stop arguing, it's interfering with my game"
Commuter1: "Fuck you Commuter2, I just lost the high score, want me to come over there and help you? Caw-Caw! How d'you like them birds?"
???
News at 11: "This morning's tragedy in the commuter train will be remembered for a long time..."
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You could wear it on your chest and make a cool gold symbol...
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$200 seems a little steep since a real tablet can be purchased for that price range
Similarly, $1/GB seems steep for a USB flash drive, since hard-drive space can be purchased for less than $0.05/GB.
Size and convenience do, in fact, matter.
However, it's a moot point since the gizmo in TFA is vaporware, unlikey to be produced in any mass-marketable quantity.
How long is it going to take for someone to come out with a screenless / keypadless phone that is pure voice recognition (built into a headset like a BT headset??)? Same thing for GPS units (rather than being distracted by a map you just have to listen to the directions, much like having a person reading you directions "like in the old days"). That would extend battery life, reduce costs, although would also reduce it to the basic functionality (sorry no angry birds).
I doubt you'll ever see this device.
Voice recognition & response are horribly inefficient compared to visual input & output. We've had the ability to do it in consumer products for about 15 years, but it hasn't caught on for this
Website /.ed (Score:2)
Already.
Re:Website /.ed (Score:5, Funny)
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And if you find out they're serving it from one of these computers, will you say that with the same attitude?
Why Android? (Score:2)
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And if the vendor is forthcoming and supportive, it could readily be made to run a regular Linux distro. If they're worthless like most handset/tablet vendors, then they'll not help and possibly set up security to hinder your ability to do so.
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Though the current prototype runs Android 2.3, Borgar told us that the ARM-based hardware can run Ubuntu Linux currently and future versions should be able to run the ARM version of Windows 8.
With Ubuntu installed, the Cotton Candy can even be turned into a mobile file or web server!
RTFA next time.
Re:Why Android? (Score:5, Funny)
Though the current prototype runs Android 2.3, Borgar told us that the ARM-based hardware can run Ubuntu Linux currently and future versions should be able to run the ARM version of Windows 8.
With Ubuntu installed, the Cotton Candy can even be turned into a mobile file or web server!
RTFA next time.
RTFA? RTFA?!?!?!
THIS - IS - SLASHDOT!
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That may be, but why is it always implied that silly access to apps is mutually exclusive to having a nice back end infrastructure with access to a repository? Not that this is the kind of thing that your average Android user is going to buy.
Certainly it's mutually exclusive with Android, as Google has worked hard to fail to include any of that.
"Any" is not "Any" (Score:3, Informative)
>"plug into anything with a screen, USB port, and input device and run your own instance of Android"
*WRONG*
The word "anything" could not be more WRONG. It specifically says in the article that you have to run "special software" that is MS-Windows or MacOS *only*. That is not "anything" with a screen. Exactly how would plugging that FXI "computer usb stick" into my Mandriva Linux desktop machine, Xoom Android tablet, my Fedora Linux laptop, or my RHEL server going to give the FXI access to my keyboard, mouse, network, and monitor without very specialized and deeply-rooted software to support it?
Then, even if it is an MS-Windows or MacOS machine, that doesn't mean it will be able to or allowed to run such alien software.
The article says it has WiFi, Bluetooth, and HDMI on the FXI, so it has a LOT of possibilities, is fascinating, and really cool. I don't know why the article and the summary have to step out of bounds with such sensationalist stuff like "anything with a monitor".
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The word "anything" could not be more WRONG. It specifically says in the article that you have to run "special software" that is MS-Windows or MacOS *only*. That is not "anything" with a screen. Exactly how would plugging that FXI "computer usb stick" into my Mandriva Linux desktop machine, Xoom Android tablet, my Fedora Linux laptop, or my RHEL server going to give the FXI access to my keyboard, mouse, network, and monitor without very specialized and deeply-rooted software to support it?
The special software in question is only used when you want to run this (and see the output) on top of an already running OS, in a window. It's basically like VNC or RDP. However, they also support standalone operation - from TFA:
"When connected to an HDTV, it uses the HDMI port for video, the USB for power, and Bluetooth to connect to a keyboard, mouse, or tablet for controlling the operating system. "
Which basically means that you need to also have an HDMI cable handy.
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It looks like it's got a male usb connector on one end and a male hdmi connector on the other. Just stick it into the hdmi port on the TV/monitor.
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My understanding is that you still need to plug the USB end somewhere to power it. So you need either a USB extension cable, or an HDMI extension cable.
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The special software in question is only used when you want to run this (and see the output) on top of an already running OS, in a window. It's basically like VNC or RDP.
If they were really clever they would make the USB device act like a nic on a private network with the android system the only other device on the network. Then they really could just use bog-standard RDP and it would work with practically anything.
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And a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, neither of which I own.
We're getting quite a long way from "anything with a usb port", aren't we?
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From TFA: "FXI demonstrated Cotton Candy for the first time by connecting it via HDMI to a 42” HDTV running Android and displaying YouTube videos and 3D games."
Just what part of the TV was running MS Windows?
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From the summary: "plug into anything with a screen, USB port, and input device "
How does the FXI connect to and use the input device that was on the HDMI 42" HDTV? Perhaps they connected to a bluetooth keyboard or something, but that is *NOT* using the input device of what was used with the device they plugged it into.
From FTA: "the worldâ(TM)s first any screen, connected computing USB device."
And if what if your "screen" has no HDMI port? How is that "any screen"?
Again, it is a cool device, but say
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The parent I replied to said that it only worked with Windows or Mac. Just because it can't turn a TV into a keyboard, I'm still not seeing the Windows / Mac requirement. Sounds like it works as advertised.
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:) Sorry, it just irks me when articles and such use incorrect absolutes. It pimps features that do not exist. And/or it ignores everything they didn't consider "main stream" which can be insulting.
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True that. But it still pre-assumes that the particular "network adapter" it emulates is understood and compatible with the host machine. And that the user even has the rights to add a network controller.
It could use its built-in wifi, but then that assumes the computer it is connected to *has* wifi.
There are lots of possibilities, but none can provide a situation where "anything with a screen" is supported, as claimed by the article and summary.
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Some mobile phones can be plugged into the USB port (ZTE), emulate a USB file system and will use the auto-run feature to change the network routing tables so that all data traffic is routed through the phone.
At least for a Windows PC. With linux it just seems to slow down if not block the wi-fi service altogether.
HDMI, how quaint! (Score:2)
you benighted savages disgust me.
Re:HDMI, how quaint! (Score:4, Insightful)
Because you'd have to transform the display into a MPEG-2 data stream with maximum bitrate of 19.2mbit/sec, then modulate it onto an 8-VSB carrier (to work in the US) and COFDM (to work in most other places). It's nontrivial. 8-VSB, in particular, is a bitch to do. The wireless video modulator ALONE would have added a MINIMUM of $50 to the manufacturing cost, and THAT'S if they dusted off the Zenith chipset DirecTV was planning to use before the MAFIAA killed their plans for using 8VSB for whole-house HD video distribution over existing 75-ohm cable to keep the development costs down to a minimum.
Furthermore, 19.2mbit/sec MPEG-2 would utterly suck for high-contrast "computer-type" applications where you're displaying things like windows and rendered text at high resolution and framerates. If you buffered it to take advantage of predictive frames to increase the effective bandwidth, you'd end up with annoying lag. If you tried to do the whole thing with I-frames, your text would be a fuzzy macroblock-ridden mess.
Who has the patents registered? (Score:2)
I wonder who has the patents on this [idea] registered. Anyone?
21 grams (Score:3)
Article say *not* Android-only (Score:2)
Running Android for now, but plans are to offer an Ubuntu version, as well as Windows 8
... the ARM-based hardware can run Ubuntu Linux currently and future versions should be able to run the ARM version of Windows 8
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Yes, I can't wait to install Windows 8 on my device and artificially restrict my sources of software to the Microsoft web store.
Scandinavians again. (Score:4, Interesting)
behold how social democracy (Called socialism in u.s.), govt. funded education, social security etc leaves a nation behind in development and innovation.
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http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Swedish_meatballs [wikia.com]
"Swedish meatballs, an Earth ground meat delicacy that is something of an interstellar mystery. Every spacefaring race is known to have a food identical to Swedish meatballs, be it Narn Breen or Centauri Prime's Roopo balls. Even races as diverse as the Abbai, Drazi and even the Gaim all have an equivalent dish, though the Centauri are the only ones with the audacity to claim they are the ones who invented it."
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Again scandinavians with an innovation.
look, a RETARDED person posting on slashdot
http://armdevices.net/2011/05/06/25-arm-powered-desktop-presented-by-raspberry-pi-foundation/ [armdevices.net]
behold how social democracy (Called socialism in u.s.), govt. funded education, social security etc leaves a nation behind in development and that is despite compared to u.s.
and that retard is from US, what a surprise
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Sweden has got 9 million.
Norway and denmark a bit over 5 each.
So almost 20 million.
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What has Scandinavia got to do with Linux?
Thanks for springing the trap I set for unity100! (Score:2)
I doubt most Finns would agree with you, somehow.
You couldn't have chosen a worse authority to cite on matters geographical; they confuse England and Britain (to the chagrin of the orange haired people we have to share our islands with) and arrive in Vienna and go looking for kangaroos and wombats.
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vapourware? (Score:2)
c'mon people, how many articles and devices have we read about but have never actually been commercially available? tons, just add another item to the list. It'll have to be Less than $100 or it doesn't compete with similar, all be it larger, TV boxes.
Expensive, unnecessarily overpowered (Score:2)
This isn't a new idea, it's a "me too". What, suddenly nobody on /. has heard of Raspberry Pi?
http://slashdot.org/index2.pl?fhfilter=raspberry+pi [slashdot.org]
http://www.raspberrypi.org/ [raspberrypi.org]
A 1.2GHz dual core CPU is all very nice, but you can run full-on Desktop Linux with considerably more frugal resources and produce a device that's considerably cheaper as a result. It seems bizarre to have over-specified the hardware and under-specified the software stack.
what'd be really cool.... (Score:2)
No HDMI output. Simply rasterize the video into an .mkv container... Plug the stick into the USB port, use the TV's onscreen menu to navigate to 'playme.mkv' (or whatever container these TV's support) and the movie is your video output.
I'll take one (Score:2)
... Or two. It might not be for everyone, but it's something I'd like to use for a few random ideas.
my money, you can has it (Score:2)
OMG OMG OMG.... daddy wants!
Dear FXI, WTF? (Score:3)
Use info from Cherry Pi for hardware, snag an OS from the open source world, then attach a bullshit proprietary interface "FXI’s patent protected Any Screen Virtualization Protocol"? Interesting.
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LOL. Note to self. Self, never listen to Runaways while posting.
Hardware info from Raspberry Pi was what I meant to write.
I think this would be classified (Score:2)
Smartphone Revolution (Score:4, Interesting)
I wonder... does anyone else realize this could be used to create upgradeable smartphones? You would have a phone with touchscreen and battery, with a recessed USB port. Then just slide this device in, and in a couple years when you want to upgrade buy a new usb stick PC. If they could fit the baseband radio in this device that would be truly revolutionary.
Compare to RDP or VNC over emulated Ethernet (Score:2)
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Well, okay, but the non-luddites are going to be playing Angry Birds on every flat-panel TV in town without you.
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But how else do you patent "remote control of a computer" and sue everyone out of business if not by first introducing your own product which you can claim is being harmed by those conniving thieves out there.
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Because compatibility isn't their goal?
Yes, that's what he said he doesn't understand.
Really, it's okay to infer something on your own.
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What's to not understand? They don't want to be compatible because then they have no leverage over the tech. On the other hand they can, as in this case, patent the tech and lock you in.
I'm not the one who questioned it. Pretending that I am is another fail.
My point in the initial response to you was that you either failed to comprehend or chose to trivialize the question the other poster was asking. Both are useless.
Anyway, as that other poster implies, not using a proprietary technology and being more compatible may increase the usefulness of the device. That, in turn, might be another way to increase sales. I suppose he was wondering what reason they have to believe that propr
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Portable, luggable, wearable...ingestible?
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Portable, luggable, wearable...ingestible?
...inhalable. (See Diamond Age.)
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I think the word for which you're looking, especially given the subject "Fingertop!", is insertable.
Remember: Gloves and lube are your friends...
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Re:America kicks your ass! (Score:4, Insightful)
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absolutely. This is a bipartisan rape of people's rights, it's not specific to republican or democrat. It should also be noted that Tea party and libertarians were in full support of SOPA via various political figures too.
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