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Nokia Hints At Windows 8 Tablets 82

Posted by samzenpus
from the it's-coming-up-tablets dept.
MrSeb writes "When the Microsoft-Nokia strategic alliance was first announced in February, there was absolutely no mention of money: Nokia, seemingly on its own accord, had decided that Windows Phone 7 was the future of its smartphone efforts. A week later it emerged that Microsoft and Google had been competing for Nokia's affections — a bidding war that concluded with Microsoft agreeing to pay Nokia billions of dollars to help market and develop Windows phones. Fast forward to today and Nokia's CEO, Stephen Elop, is making rather odd comments about the tablet market: 'There’s a new tablet opportunity coming. We see the opportunity,' Elop said to Bloomberg Businessweek yesterday. Furthermore, he had only positive things to say about Windows 8 — that it's a "supercharged" version of WP7, but for tablets. Does that sound like Nokia is planning to bring out a Windows 8-powered tablet? Is it possible that Microsoft's multi-billion-dollar agreement with Nokia also included Windows 8?"
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  • A week later it emerged that Microsoft and Google had been competing for Nokia's affections — a bidding war that concluded with Microsoft agreeing to pay Nokia billions of dollars to help market and develop Windows phones.

    This actually gives an interesting new perspective to the whole Google-Motorola thing. So Google wanted Nokia, but was forced to settle for a crappier competitor because Microsoft offered more for Nokia. This means Motorola will always be the "damn I really wanted her instead.. why I had to settle for this bitch?" for Google, while Microsoft got the dream girl.

    • by mgblst (80109)

      It is unlikely Google were going to buy Nokia, but they wanted Nokia to start producing Android phones, rather than Windows phones. They would have paid for this as well.

      This is old news.

    • by Xest (935314)

      Not really, because Motorola has been succesful in the modern smartphone era, whilst Nokia has been nothing other than an epic fail.

      Google didn't stand a chance anyway, with Elop at the helm Nokia effectively was taken over by Microsoft. That may not be the legal status but make no mistake, it was a coup by Microsoft, they ousted both the anti-Microsoft leadership and developers at Nokia.

      I wouldn't be suprised, should Nokia start to have a succesful Windows 8 business down the line to see Microsoft take ove

  • by Anonymous Coward

    As an owner of an N900 - the single most open phone one can get - It saddens me to witness the death throes of something that had the potential to be really liberating. My N900 is a joy to use, and the N9 looks like it is too.

    Here's to countless years of IOS, Android and Windows drudgery. I'll just open the fully functional terminal app on my N900, play with apt and think about what could've been.

    • by h4rr4r (612664)

      Or get a new device and install the OS you want on it. If Meamo is that good someone will surely port it to new devices. The N9 would have been something, if it was released 6-12 months ago. Instead I will get a galaxy nexus and install Debian in a chroot.

      • Maemo is dead because it has no point. It was designed to be a broad stroke at making a base layer (like Apple's Darwin) that had some compatibility, with the idea that vendors would cook up their own UI and branding on the OS.

        My buddy has worked on Maemo and Moblin and Meego for the past couple of years, and while he liked it he could never answer my question - "Why choose Maemo when I can just use Debian or Ubuntu or Ret Hat instead? After all *THEY ARE ALREADY HERE!!!!*"

        The M trio are all now dead syst

    • As another owner of the N900 and N770 tablet, I'd agree.

      Get familiar with soldering the USB port legs on better when the warranty is out. If that isn't possible, find someone who will. While you can use the alternate ports for charging and data, it is not recommended.

      The N900 is probably one of the rarest combinations around for having:

      Full control out of the box: add rootsh or enable r&d mode.
      Massive storage for its time: 32GB EMMC + 1GB memory + SDHC slot. USB host for more if you use a custom ker

  • by sethstorm (512897) on Wednesday November 02, 2011 @05:29PM (#37926758) Homepage

    Nokia hasn't been a stranger to tablets before with Maemo and the N770/N800/N810 (and the N900 phone). Throwing that out was not exactly a good idea.

    That said, will they find something equally as bad as calling their WP7 phones the Prostitute series?

    • Nokia hasn't been a stranger to tablets before with Maemo and the N770/N800/N810 (and the N900 phone).

      If you're willing to stretch the definition of "tablet" down to devices as small as an N800 or N810, then what's the difference among a "tablet", a "PDA", and a "personal media player"?

    • by kanto (1851816)
      I've actually asked the spanish people I know and none of them knew the meaning in the "prostitute" context; apparently that usage, like the joke, is getting old,
      • In Spanish the slang (and 'bad' words) are highly regional, much like 'bloody' is bad in England but means nothing in American. Except there are more countries with Spanish as their native language, so there are more differences.

        In the case of Lumia, in some places (Galicia) it refers to a mythological creature. In other places it means a lively girl, and is considered a compliment. In other places, of course, it is a whore. RAE lists it as a whore, but also suggests it is used infrequently.
  • Neither article mentioned anything about whether Nokia's hinted Windows 8 tablets would end up using an x86 CPU such as Intel's Atom or an ARM CPU. Atom tablets can fall back to the classic Win32 desktop, such as when docked to a keyboard, mouse, and monitor. ARM tablets cannot because all they have is the WinRT with the Metro front-end and Windows Store lockdown.
    • If they're going to make it, base it either on the Atom or on AMD's Fusion for tablets. Don't have to chase developers in that case, but just leverage the win32 apps already out there.
    • I would expect that consumer tablets would mainly be ARM, while "enterprise" ones would be x86. The only maker of a non-Windows "enterprise" tablet today is Lenovo, with its Honeycomb Thinkpad Tablet - which is a pretty impressive piece of hardware in its own right. So, if anything, I would expect them to be the first on x86 Win8 tablet bandwagon.

    • I'd like to see some citation for those statements about ARM not having the desktop mode. Microsoft has stated that the two architectures will have identical builds, and demo'd Office for ARM running in desktop mode.

      And "everyone knows it" or links to unsubstantiated rumors are silly.
  • MS buys Nokia and now Nokia is "hinting" at tablet computers. Are we falling for the same tricks that MS has played out over the last 20 years?

    Get Steve Ballmer up there using one at a public event, and cap it off with "one more thing - they are on sale today" and then this becomes a product announcement worth talking about.

    At this point Nokia has traded everything it has in order to buy a ticket on the MS tugboat. My personal feeling is that Nokia was purchased for their patents and in order to sink the

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Nokia didn't announce shit, RTFA. Elop was asked about tablets, not announcing anything.

      Nokia wasn't even purchased, at least try to be factually correct.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by RocketRabbit (830691)

        Nokia was purchased in all but name. They took some cash from MS in exchange for every technology they have.

        Wake up.

    • by roc97007 (608802) on Wednesday November 02, 2011 @07:01PM (#37927946) Journal

      Not vapor, Nokia will produce Windows 7 phones and I believe they will also do Windows 8 tablets. Let's face it, if your company were sinking, you'd clutch at anything, even if it didn't float.

      M$ seems to genuinely believe that they will have some significant presence in the smartphone and tablet markets. Having a strong tie (or ownership depending on what rumors you believe) of a hardware company that makes those gadgets is a reasonable step for them to take. I can even imagine that M$ was having trouble shopping Windows Phone 7 to many of the other manufacturers, so basically has to buy the business to achieve market penetration.

      Will any of this work? I don't think so. I don't believe M$ will ever achieve a significant portion of either markets. The advantage is, they still has their core business to keep them going when it's time to throw Nokia overboard.

      • by m50d (797211)
        After what happened with Xbox, I wouldn't underestimate MS' staying power. They'll keep going until they get it right.
        • by roc97007 (608802)

          > After what happened with Xbox, I wouldn't underestimate MS' staying power. They'll keep going until they get it right.

          It's possible, but I don't think they'll ever get this right. There is a difference on a basic level: Successful businesses in smartphone and tablet markets created an interface appropriate for the device. Microsoft insists on re-using GUI technology from Windows, which isn't appropriate either for a smartphone or a tablet. So the Windows 7 Mobile and Windows 8 devices will always

    • by 21mhz (443080)

      MS buys Nokia

      This statement shows that you are ignorant about the topic. I did not read the rest, sorry.

      • Oh, sorry, they just paid an assload of money to get licenses for every bit of tech Nokia has, and to get Nokia to drop everything but Windows.

        You fucking halfwit retread.

        • by 21mhz (443080)

          Oh, sorry, they just paid an assload of money to get licenses for every bit of tech Nokia has,

          [citation needed]

          and to get Nokia to drop everything but Windows.

          Nokia did not drop anything that has a potential to make money. Contrast with being a giant R&D sinkhole with not quite enough to show for it. But I sense another rabid FOSS fan who thinks that all Linux-based projects are bound to succeed unless stopped by an evil hand of M$ (spelling mandatory), no matter how these projects were run.

  • I would love a modern maemo tablet. I had a 770 when they were new, but the hardware was more than a little lacking (speed/memory wise, the build quality was excellent).

  • Hey, if someone gave me billions of dollars, I'd make a Windows 7 phone too. And if they offered billions more, I'd make Windows 8 tablets.

    You might look at it this way -- if the hardware is decent, you could always flash Android onto it.

    • by unixisc (2429386)

      So instead of paying the usual M$ tax by buying an Android, one pays the full price of Windows 8, which ultimately goes to M$, and then one deletes it and replaces it w/ Android, and this time, not paying M$ a dime for Android.

      M$ must be thrilled @ being so 'cheated'!

      • by roc97007 (608802)

        I didn't say anything about being "cheated". I was thinking more in terms of M$ subsidizing devices to achieve market penetration. *Those* are the devices you might want to try flashing Android onto. But only if the price is right. There's no reason to pay more than you have to, especially in this economy.

  • I was rooting for Nokia and Qt to take over the world, Apple style, starting the day after Steve Jobs died... guess that didn't happen.

    On the other hand, a Windows 8 4G phone, with true (2005 era) desktop power in an always with me form factor with high quality GPS and camera and (LISTEN UP DESIGNERS) several days of battery life, while not exactly sexy and appealing as a open source Finnish superphone, would be a damn practical device - I'd actually like it better than an iPhone or Droid.

    • by jezwel (2451108)

      ...a...phone, with true (2005 era) desktop power...with high quality GPS and camera and...several days of battery life...

      ...is not available with current technology.

      Either a much larger battery is needed, which impacts the portable form factor, or much lower capability is included, which counters your requirements. Battery tech is getting better, but not explosively like portable device capability has increased.

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