The Rise of Small Nuclear Plants 490
ColdWetDog writes "The Oil Drum (one of the best sites to discuss the technical details of the Macondo Blowout) is typically focused on ramifications of petroleum use, and in particular the Peak Oil theory. They run short guest articles from time to time on various aspects of energy use and policies. Today they have an interesting article on small nuclear reactors with a refreshing amount of technical detail concerning their construction, use, and fueling. The author's major thesis: 'Pick up almost any book about nuclear energy and you will find that the prevailing wisdom is that nuclear plants must be very large in order to be competitive. This assumption is widely accepted, but, if its roots are understood, it can be effectively challenged. Recently, however, a growing body of plant designers, utility companies, government agencies, and financial players are recognizing that smaller plants can take advantage of greater opportunities to apply lessons learned, take advantage of the engineering and tooling savings possible with higher numbers of units, and better meet customer needs in terms of capacity additions and financing. The resulting systems are a welcome addition to the nuclear power plant menu, which has previously been limited to one size — extra large.'"
This is good. (Score:3, Interesting)
Nuclear energy is probably the best chance we have are breaking our addiction to oil. Nuclear energy is also relatively clean. I don't know why the government doesn't just fund the development of a bunch of nuclear power plants and put them on the coast or on the ocean somewhere. We could generate enough power to power the entire country, not to mention we could probably put hundreds of thousands of nuclear power plants in the desert.
The Navy? (Score:5, Interesting)
Not just one back yard anymore. (Score:2, Interesting)
Brilliant. Instead of needing to get one "back yard", you now need half a dozen.
Actually, this could work out... smaller plant means smaller yard, right? We could put them in rougher terrain away from people.
Waste of Uranium (Score:3, Interesting)
As much as nuclear energy would help reduce CO2 emissons, the the anti-nuclear crowd has to be seen as a "force of nature" making new power plants less likely. The idealist would fight against irrationality, but as a realist I would redirect that energy elsewhere, e.g. against the NIMBYs who think wind turbines ruin the coastlines and kill birds or bats.
Also, if oil is non-renewable because it takes millions of years to re-form, then nuclear fuels are the ultimate non-renewable with a "when is the next supernova due?" regeneration period. And the energy density and relative ease of use is just too good to waste it powering our washing machines and slashdot browsing. Maybe in a few hundred years outer solar system exploration will be in a serious crunch because the lack of a good power source after all the uranium, thorium, plutonium etc. has been used up.
Re:The Navy? (Score:1, Interesting)
Not implausible. It's often reported that the Hawaiian island of Kauai was plugged into a nuclear sub [snopes.com] after a hurricane knocked out the local power. It never happened, but considered until power was restored.
The Army had a program [wikipedia.org] for about two decades to supply power to remote locations and even powered the Panama Canal Zone [wikipedia.org].
Re:This is good. (Score:5, Interesting)
PBNR (Score:1, Interesting)
I just have one thing to say, Pebble Bed Nuclear Reactors!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor
http://www.pbmr.co.za/
Re:This is good. (Score:5, Interesting)
Even if you use all our nukes someone will still make it.
Depends on how you use them.
If the cold war had gone hot, most of those nukes would have been aimed at targets in the northern hemisphere, with several warheads per target (as insurance, in case some didn't launch, didn't work, or got shot down). Contrary to popular belief, most of the targets were military, rather than civilian - cities were a low priority, missile silos were a high priority, for reasons that should be obvious. Post nuclear losses due to radiation poisoning, starvation and infrastructure collapse would probably have been higher than the actually death toll inflicted by the bombs, and as you correctly say, people would survive. Contrary to some predictions, nuclear winter would not have been likely, but we didn't know that at the time.
Now, if you actually wanted to achieve total human genocide using the worlds current nuclear arsenal, I'm not at all sure you couldn't. Don't bother with the cities, just hit all the arable land, and let starvation take its course. Of course that is a very morbid thing to consider, and is sufficiently horrible, not to mention suicidal, that we'd never actually do it, but you were discussing whether it was possible, rather than whether it was likely.
Re:This is good. (Score:3, Interesting)
> As for Libertarianism, do you have a better suggestion?
Gladiator fights. I'll give three:one odds on the teabagger in the SUV over the treehugger with the polar bear.
Re:This is good. (Score:5, Interesting)
ADM Rickover thinks differently [wikiquote.org]:
Re:This is good. (Score:3, Interesting)
"The coolant was liquid metal, sodium or lead. These elements don't moderate the neutrons, they fly unhindered through the pile."
It's not all roses. For one thing these metallic coolants will all become highly radioactive themselves due to neutron activation, sodium is extremely chemically reactive (spontaneous ignition in air or H2 generation in water that then burns -- choosing non-reactive materials to go in the reactor primary coolant loop is a challenge too), and starting up/shutting down these things is tricky (solidified metal in the pipes is kind of inconvenient). Lead is trickier to work with because of its relatively high melting temperature. Lead-bismuth alloys [wikipedia.org] with much lower melting temperatures are more typical, although unfortunately bismuth gets highly radioactive too.
The ability to use natural (i.e. non-isotopically enriched) uranium is not unique. The heavy-water-moderated CANDU reactors also have this ability. The main problem there is the cost of the heavy water.
IFR is an interesting reactor design but there are plenty of other options.
I also don't know why you consider the Clinton Administration the turning point for finding "a place to bury it for a quarter of a million years". That's been underway since 1982 at least (the Nuclear Waste Policy Act [wikipedia.org]). Certainly there are options for using the "waste" as fuel rather than discarding it outright, but those options were discouraged by multiple administrations since the 1970s.
Re:What would Amory Lovins say? (Score:3, Interesting)
With some eco-aware folks ...
As soon as someone uses the term "eco-aware" or a variant of it, that's generally a sign that the associated opinion needs to be taken with a heavy grain of salt. Right from the start, things are framed not as a disagreement between different sides analyzing the facts, but as those who are "aware" and those who are not. Would you talk about a dispute between, say, C programmers and PHP programmers, and describe the former as "compiler-aware"?
Thorium Power (Score:5, Interesting)
The future of energy is in thorium. It a) cant be weaponized, b) is cleaner, c) does not need to be throttled up like uranium. They are developing these plants in other parts of the world such as india.
Re:Russian and Japanese experience: (Score:3, Interesting)
There's plans for a larger one but I'm not sure what stage they are up to.
Very frequent repairs and replacements, which is my entire point about problems that need to be solved with large liquid metal reactors.
Did the temperature sensor actually weaken the structure and cause the leak? Obviously not. It simply failed to carry the message that something else was wrong.
They are well known problems but everyone has had a lot of problems managing them. Anywhere that you have a lot of neutron damage is where you get microcracking - and then if a liquid metal gets into the microcracks you rapidly end up with very large cracks which is why all the liquid sodium reactors to date have had problems with leaks in the last places where you want them - close to the radioactive stuff. Solve that and the concept has a future. It's not solved now so you have to give people credit for taking that into consideration a few years ago instead of blaming it on political tribalism.
This is where R&D is the way to go and prototypes of reactor components instead of the "instant nuclear now with untested crap or well known crap so we can get our hands on that lovely money from the taxpayers". It's almost worth giving up on the entire stuck in the 1960s US nuclear industry and outsourcing the lot to India, or going for a purely government run effort to get around confidence tricksters like Westinghouse.
Re:This is good. (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm not defending the GP's post but to describe nuclear power as cheap, at least historically, is not true.
The reason France's electricity is so cheap is because the government sets the price and has subsidised the cost. Recently EDF have been investigated for price fixing [french-property.com] because of this.
The real reason why no nuclear power plants have been constructed for decades in many countries is mostly because gas and coal were cheaper. The fact that some considered it to be unsafe was a secondary issue. Now that gas prices are rising and there is growing concern about the environmental effects of coal, nuclear power starts looking competitive again.
Re:Russian and Japanese experience: (Score:3, Interesting)
Never mind hydrogenation - flour is a remarkably explosive substance as is custard powder and people eat those things!
Bring on the plutonium!!!