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Comments: 438 +-   (Near) Constant Internet While RV'ing? on Wednesday September 16, @02:00PM

Posted by timothy on Wednesday September 16, @02:00PM
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Neilio writes "What systems would Slashdotters recommend for staying connected while RV'ing across the US and Canada? While a 3G data plan seems obvious, the intrepid RV'er wants to get remote and into those parts of the coverage map that are usually gray (no coverage). But satellite can be expensive, includes high latency for VoIP and gaming, and requires a clear view of the southern sky. I've come across some intriguing products that use an amplified 2G/3G signal and bridge to WiFi, like WiFi In Motion, and CradlePoint's MBR1000 (I have no affiliation with either). Do folks have any experience with these, or can you recommend another approach (even homebrew)? While I am an electrical engineer by degree, you have to go back a few decades since I last expertly sported a soldering iron, so the less DIY the better. My wife and I now run a web-based business, so nearly daily connectivity is a must, no matter where we are."
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  • Iridium? (Score:5, Informative)

    by jonbryce (703250) on Wednesday September 16, @02:04PM (#29444345) Homepage

    Very slow and very expensive, but as they have lots of satellites in polar orbit, you just need a clear view of the sky. Maybe use it only where you can't get a cellphone connection.

  • Cat V (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16, @02:04PM (#29444349)

    Big spools of Cat V... it's cheap

  • Inmarsat (Score:4, Informative)

    by Virtucon (127420) on Wednesday September 16, @02:05PM (#29444357)

    Inmarsat BGAN performs well however it is pricey for the setup and monthly fee. The advantage is that you can get coverage basically everywhere. There's also setups that allow tie-in for a phone, fax etc.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16, @02:06PM (#29444375)

    I have been using them for almost a year and the speed is OK (~1 M), the latency a bit high (~100ms). It is a 3G wireless card, plugs into a PCMCIA slot. I created a home router, but you can buy one that fits the card. If they ever get their act together, they might bump it up to 4G. All you need is one of their cell towers. And they have a map.

  • how about (Score:3, Insightful)

    by gandhi_2 (1108023) on Wednesday September 16, @02:07PM (#29444393)
    netstumbler?
  • Priorities (Score:5, Insightful)

    by loteck (533317) on Wednesday September 16, @02:07PM (#29444399) Homepage

    If you want constant internet access, you must not go where there is no signal.

    If you want to go enjoy remote places with no signal, you cannot have constant internet coverage.

    Pick one.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16, @02:10PM (#29444455)

      What kind of blasphemy is this, advocating common sense on Slashdot!?

    • by Migraineman (632203) on Wednesday September 16, @02:12PM (#29444479)
      But ... isn't RVing about getting away from it all (while still taking it all with you?)
      • by drinkypoo (153816) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Wednesday September 16, @02:26PM (#29444723) Homepage Journal

        Yeah but unfortunately, no matter where you go, there you are.

      • Exactly the opposite (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Belial6 (794905) on Wednesday September 16, @04:09PM (#29446331) Homepage
        No, it is not. Since I telecommute and I homeschool my child, I have seriously considered packing up an RV and traveling the country. When we want to study the Civil War, we could go spend some time actually visiting historic battles sites. When we want to study the Revolution, we can go to Boston and look at the Boston Harbor. When we study desert ecosystems, we could go to the desert. In fact, for me, I don't want to go RVing to get away from it all. I want to go RVing to get TO it all.
    • Re:Priorities (Score:5, Insightful)

      by timeOday (582209) on Wednesday September 16, @03:29PM (#29445701)
      What a dopey comment, why weigh in at all if your only thought is to accept the limitations of the most obvious off-the-shelf solutions, or nothing at all? The question itself already went far beyond your "coverage/no coverage" false dichotomy by identifying various technologies such as 3g range extenders and satellites that offer various tradeoffs. At the least, somebody with experience using these could weigh in on their utility, or lack thereof.
  • by 93 Escort Wagon (326346) on Wednesday September 16, @02:07PM (#29444403)

    You say "the intrepid RV'er wants to get remote", but you want to remain in constant internet contact. You claim it's about your business, but you worry about latency's effect on gaming.

    Why exactly are you heading out anywhere? Cuz it sounds to me you're not gonna to see anything that's not reflected in your computer screen...

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 16, @02:14PM (#29444511)
      Well, he lives in his Mom's RV's Basement and she likes to travel.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I agree - why would you be gaming while on a RV trip? This almost like asking how to picnic while snorkeling.

    • by BirdDoggy (886894) on Wednesday September 16, @02:24PM (#29444701)

      His web business is WoW gold farming.

    • by aclarke (307017) <spam AT clarke DOT ca> on Wednesday September 16, @03:22PM (#29445589) Homepage
      As another self-employed person, I'll ask you what I view as a rhetorical question. If you had to work, would you rather work in your home office in some suburb of some city, or wherever you live, or would you occasionally like to spend a day/week/month working beside a quiet lake in the middle of nowhere, in a crowded foreign beach town, or wherever it is that you would like to head on vacation?

      I go on vacations where I don't take my laptop and don't work, but on the other hand if I want to go somewhere fun and work for a while, what's the problem with that? It's not an either/or situation.
  • by Guspaz (556486) on Wednesday September 16, @02:09PM (#29444443) Homepage

    You don't want to use satellite and you say cellular coverage isn't good enough. What exactly are you expecting? If there's no connectivity, there's no connectivity. No amount of homebrew can fix that.

    You also seem confused by WiFi In Motion and Cradlepoint products. They don't amplify anything, they're just access points that you can plug your phone in to get wifi coverage. A laptop and a router can do the same thing.

    You have two choices:

    1) Pony up the dough for satellite coverage
    2) Get a cellular data plan and live with no connectivity in dead zones

    I don't believe there are any other alternatives.

    • by mcgrew (92797) * on Wednesday September 16, @02:31PM (#29444793) Journal

      He could become a ham radio operator and use his home base as an internet proxy server. I don't know what the latency would be, but I would guess it would be better than satellite.

      • Not for business use (Score:4, Informative)

        by dereference (875531) on Wednesday September 16, @03:58PM (#29446163)
        That's an excellent idea for general "stay in touch" communications, and even blogging about their travels, but he also mentioned a business, and commercial use of ham radio is prohibited.
      • by Bill_the_Engineer (772575) on Wednesday September 16, @04:47PM (#29446843)

        He could become a ham radio operator and use his home base as an internet proxy server.

        Too bad he wanted this for work, because it is against FCC regulation to use the amateur band for commercial uses. Besides, the latency would most likely be worse than satellite and the downlink speeds would be much slower.

        Not to mention, being out in the middle of nowhere usually means being out of UHF+ range of the nearest packet station.

  • Product requirements;

    - Decent latency
    - Decent bandwidth
    - Available everywhere
    - Reliable

    Solution; none. There is no product out there that will meet all four requirements.

    It now falls to you to decide what your priority is. Given that you need to stay in contact because of business concerns, I'd guess you'd make the following priorities

    1) Reliable
    2) Low latency for voip purposes
    3) Enough bandwidth for voip/email/image uploads
    4) Available everywhere.

    If that's the case, then the obvious answer is to simply NOT travel anywhere without 3g coverage. No other solution you are going to find will match your requirements otherwise.

  • RFC 1149 (Score:4, Funny)

    by milgr (726027) on Wednesday September 16, @02:15PM (#29444535)
    Implementable anywhere an RV can go. Latency leaves something to be desired.
  • intrepid RV'er

    I may have a different definition of "intrepid" than you but to me there's nothing intrepid about any location you reach by road unless you're talking about hostile countries or might-wake-up-without-your-kidney parts of Mexico. Especially if you're on your laptop having a conference call while your TV dinners cook inside the RV.

    Do yourself a favor and get out of the position where your business can't function without you. If you have you have to be a single point of failure I'm sorry you picked that profession in life and it's great that you make twice what I make but I would not trade places. If you want something moderately challenging then leave at home all your electronics and canoe/portage 50 miles into the Boundary Waters Canoe Area [wikipedia.org] for an intrepid vacation. Trust me, to see land so pristine was a near religious experience and I definitely went back.

    Go white water rafting or mountain hiking or get dive certified. I'm sorry if your health doesn't permit this but I personally don't find anything intrepid about a recreational vehicle.

  • Not many options (Score:3, Informative)

    by Stenchwarrior (1335051) on Wednesday September 16, @02:19PM (#29444605)
    I will have to continue the trend of most posters and say none. If you are wanting just basic connection to load a page or two in a browser, you can do satellite in the places where 3G is no an option, but if you need things like VoIP and gaming, then forget it. Even over 3G the latency is too high for gaming unless you are playing some turn-based RPG. VoIP might be ok as long as you turn up the compression on the codec, but over all I think your best option is to either stay put, or stop frequently to plug in your laptop to a wired network.
  • 3G with Repeater. (Score:3, Informative)

    by natehoy (1608657) on Wednesday September 16, @02:19PM (#29444609) Journal

    It won't give you 100% completely continuous coverage, but in areas where there is even weak 3G coverage outdoors but just not inside the RV, you could use a repeater. That allows you to put a really big antenna outside (it can even be directional) and the unit acts as a small local cell tower giving you full bars inside the RV.

    Of course, if you go outside of 3G coverage, your phone will fall back to an older technology which is slower, and if you get out of data areas altogether you're screwed. However, you can supplement this in a lot of areas - many parks now offer WiFi.

    I use a repeater at my house because, while I have half-decent signal outside, I have an aluminum-sided house and inside there's no signal whatsoever. I just use the included el cheapo antenna, but you can add some really powerful receiving antennas for some extra dough. My repeater cost about $300, and is a ZyXel unit, but Wilson and several other companies make various iterations of them with various antenna designs.

    You'll still have to stick to at least fringe areas where signal is actually available, but it would significantly increase your range at least. Short of satellite, which you've already said you don't want, that's about it at the moment.

  • random comments (Score:3, Interesting)

    by fred fleenblat (463628) on Wednesday September 16, @02:21PM (#29444641) Homepage

    2-way sat modems are very tricky to set up the dish. You can't just point them with a compass and azimuth guess like you do with DBS...you have to get feedback about how well the satellite is receiving your uplink. And if you do get it pointed correctly, every time you walk around the RV you'll move the dish a little bit and lose the uplink. Also, the "flat" dishes you see on top of escalades that work in motion are receive only. You cannot use a 2-way sat modem while in motion, period.

    I think 3G is your best bet. I'd go with a cradlepoint and have a tetherable 3G phone (on a different network) as a backup. ( Possibly, you can plug two different providers' USB modems into the same cradlepoint and make handoffs seamless; you'd have to ask them to be sure.)

    If you can park near someplace near civilization you'll probably spot an open wifi in about 30 seconds.

    Final thing is if you're running a web-based business and can afford an RV and 3G phones and stuff, perhaps you can afford some employees to run the business for you while you go on an actual vacation.

  • Wifi (Score:3, Interesting)

    by WPIDalamar (122110) on Wednesday September 16, @02:25PM (#29444707) Homepage

    Nationwide wireless internet sucks.

    Stay at campgrounds that offer Wifi, problem solved.

    KOA has tons.

    http://koa.com/ [koa.com]

  • Packet radio (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Ironchew (1069966) on Wednesday September 16, @02:26PM (#29444727)

    If speed and latency aren't priorities and you can deal with unencrypted transmission, I'd recommend getting an amateur radio license and operating a packet radio [wikipedia.org].

  • by maharb (1534501) on Wednesday September 16, @02:35PM (#29444851)

    Half the comments have some portion dedicated to criticizing the idea of RVing and "being connected'. Why is it so hard to understand that liking the outdoors/road and having internet are not opposites. Everyone that is asking why he even needs internet should ask themselves why they want phone service when not at home. The internet is just as much a tool as a frying pan or a tent these days, and having access to it at all times is very useful. Not to mention that one could spend all day hiking around and doing activities outside only to retreat back to camp and want an hour or two of connectivity. Not totally insane if you ask me. As for how to do it? Well I am not an expert in that area so I will let someone else help out.

  • by dhickman (958529) on Wednesday September 16, @03:54PM (#29446099)
    There will be several modes that you will have use. As with anything else a fulltimer faces, no single solution will work all of the time.

    Stick with 12volt hardware. This should be obvious. You will not need to run your genny to have internet access.

    Pending where you are going to be this is what I have found to be the most flexible.

    Buy a cradlepoint or something similar that can take multiple brands of 3g cards/dongles, with a secondary ethernet wan port. Make sure the 3g cards/dongles have external antenna connectors.

    Buy an outdoor directional wifi CPE that has power over ethernet. Try to make sure it is 12v.

    Buy a wilson outdoor antenna, extension cable ( if needed) and connector dongle for each 3g card. I prefer makeing a custom mount that attached to the ladder, than penetrating the roof, but that is your choice.

    Buy a wilson amplifier, this is critical.

    Buy a motorola cable modem, and a at&t wired dsl modem.

    Locate a spot in the cabin that can wall mount the router, amp, and router the cables. I installed a separate lighted power switch for each of the 12v supplies, to make sure that the system had power and that I could cut it off and make it wife proof.

    Install the wifi CPE on a pole and make a mount that will mount to the ladder or other strong point. I would not bother will any fancy ethernet jacks on the outside, just have the cable go through the basement into the cabin.

    The problem with 3g is their 5gig limit. I would have a sprint and AT&T card. This should give you 3g over most of the US.

    The reason for the WIFI, is that almost all decent parks have some form of either pay wifi or free wifi. Turn it on, turn off the 3g and you win.

    All major truck stops have wifi, traditionally I always spent the night at flying J. I think their yearly price is not that bad.

    If you plan on spending more the two weeks at a single spot. Look for parks that advertise cable television. So far all but one of them, I found that I could get my cable modem working. None of the parks will be aware of this. All you do is plug the modem up and if it gets sync, try to surf. Usually there will be a redirect to the cable companies customer disservice line. If not call the customer service line. Usually you give them the mac and you will be online in minutes. Make sure that there is no contract since they are not supplying a modem. Cancel service when you leave.

    You can do this also with DSL on site supplied phone lines, but it takes days to weeks for the line to get turned up. I usually use dsl as a last hope.

    While on the road use 3g, for the parks, plan ahead and call the parks office. They usually will know if they have wifi and sometimes will know if their cable supports cable modems. Always have 2-3 parks ready, and pay the daily rate until you have verified which park is the best for a fulltimer.

    Good luck.
    dhh
    • Re:What? (Score:5, Informative)

      by natehoy (1608657) on Wednesday September 16, @02:12PM (#29444485) Journal

      RV = Recreational Vehicle. It's a small (or sometimes large) home on wheels.

      I think the Brits call them "Caravans", in case you're from that side of the pond. ;)

      • Re:What? (Score:5, Funny)

        by Nursie (632944) on Wednesday September 16, @02:21PM (#29444659) Homepage

        We'd probably call it a camper van. A large camper van.

        A caravan is something old people tow behind their hysterically underpowered cars in order to clog up the smaller roads in rural Britain with maximum effectiveness for any public holiday weekend.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          Good point.

          An RV would probably more accurately be called a "Camper Van". My mistake. Though I don't know if you have a separate term for one the size of a bus, errrr, lorry.

          A "Caravan" would be (depending on size) probably called a "Pop-up" (very small one that collapses), "Camper" (about the size of an automobile, the ones that Top Gear are always destroying), or a "Fifth Wheel" (if it requires a very large truck and sleeps more than 4) in the US, if I have my English to USEnglish translator working cor

        • Re:What? (Score:5, Funny)

          by osu-neko (2604) on Wednesday September 16, @02:29PM (#29444763)

          That is odd I use my boat for recreation but it doesn't qualify as a RV. I use my off road rigs for recreation too. Someone care to explain?

          Starfish aren't fish, either, and you park on driveways and drive on parkways. It's called language. Get used to it...

          • Re:What? (Score:5, Informative)

            by c6gunner (950153) on Wednesday September 16, @03:46PM (#29445975)

            Starfish aren't fish, either, and you park on driveways and drive on parkways. It's called language. Get used to it...

            Well, no ... starfish may not be fish, but RV's certainly are recreational vehicles. That's a pretty horrible analogy.

            Also driveways and parkways are both properly named, it's just your base assumption which is wrong. A driveway is a private path on which you drive in order to reach the house, and a parkway is a road which passes through a "landscaped thoroughfare" or a park. Both words make perfect sense if you understand their origin.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          It's just the term that's developed in the US for a large van or bus that has beds in it.

          If you call it a "Recreational Vehicle", most "RV" drivers would look at you oddly anyway, so the acronym has largely lost its original roots.

          Some call them "Campers", but that's usually a term reserved for the type you tow behind another vehicle. Somehow, the term "RV" came into usage for the ones that are built onto a chassis that has an engine and drivetrain.

    • Re:What? (Score:5, Funny)

      by Locutus (9039) on Wednesday September 16, @02:24PM (#29444699)
      RV'ing is when you put on a one-piece jump suit, throw all your stuff in a big box on wheels and drive up any hill you can find at the slowest speed possible and still be considered moving. If you see a place where you can park your big box, you pull over and most likely others, also wearing one-piece jump suits, will pull over too. You all make drinks and talk about each others big box, your next big box, and the box that got away.

      LoB
    • People use a piece of technology to get away from all the technology and then wonder why it isn't working...
    • Re:freak (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Torontoman (829262) on Wednesday September 16, @02:21PM (#29444661)

      This is a bit harsh. Often RV'ers are gone for long periods of time. I know someone who spends his winters RVing in Mexico. he runs a business and needs to also be in touch with people regularly.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      Airlink Ravens [sierrawireless.com] are cellular modems with Ethernet jacks. You can attach any kind of antenna you want to it - mount it on the roof if you like. Run the signal you get through a cellular amplifier and that's about as good as you can ask for in the cellular world.
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