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Researchers Store Optical Data In Five Dimensions 239

Al writes "Researchers from Swinburne University of Technology in Victoria, Australia, have developed an optical material capable of storing information in five dimensions. Using three wavelengths and two polarizations of light, the Australian researchers were able to write six different patterns within the same area. The material is made up of layers of gold nanorods suspended in clear plastic that has been spun flat onto a glass substrate and multiple data patterns can be written and read within the same area in the material without interference. The team achieved a storage density of 1.1 terabytes per cubic centimeter by writing data to stacks of 10 nanorod layers."
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Researchers Store Optical Data In Five Dimensions

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  • by Carbon016 ( 1129067 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2009 @04:55PM (#28031121)

    ..that my toaster is four dimensional because I can describe it as "silver".

    This is cool enough as it is, I don't understand why the technobabble was added: polarization and color information layers may be novel attributes of a disc but there's no real reason to describe them as "5-dimensional" other than to sound physics-y.

  • Yawn. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by scubamage ( 727538 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2009 @04:56PM (#28031145)
    Sweet, more vaporware that will never hit shelves for less than $20,000 a disk, if it ever makes it out at all (possibly a hyperbole). Just like holographic storage. While the idea is fascinating that it can store in x,y,z, polarization, and wavelength, I wonder if this will ever lead to anything practical besides a geekgasm at the idea of a 1cm^2 TB thumbdrive.
  • by Geoffrey.landis ( 926948 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2009 @04:58PM (#28031189) Homepage
    What they mean is that they can store six different things in the same place.

    That's not the same as having six dimensions.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 20, 2009 @05:00PM (#28031237)

    In this case they were undoubtedly using dimension in the mathematics sense and not the physics sense.

    Also, being able to understand the different meanings of words based on their context is a basic skill of language comprehension. Just saying.

  • by calmofthestorm ( 1344385 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2009 @05:04PM (#28031323)

    To be blunt, your toaster is very much four dimensional if you care about its color.

    In ML we talk about feature spaces having hundreds of dimensions and are just being accurate. The things you care about are the dimensions. Want Euclidean dimension in space? There are three dimensions. Dimensionality of spin? One for each of the quantities.

    If we want to sound smart, we explain the theory behind SVMs and how it's in an infinite dimensional space:-)

  • by Carbon016 ( 1129067 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2009 @05:05PM (#28031349)

    It's clear there's a use of the word that's technically fine but it's misrepresentative to pretty much anyone that's going to be reading the BBC article or this Technology Review site or whatever and all sources claim it wasn't the media making it up. It's pretty easy to post here and imply people are idiots because they don't know more than the popular science definition but then again everyone's an idiot about a great many things.

  • by moon3 ( 1530265 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2009 @05:23PM (#28031613)
    TA talks about disks etc. Solid state is the future, if I am not mistaken. We can have any number of flash memory "layers" even now... capacity is no longer the most important factor, other parameters like "write speeds" are.

    This should have been tagged "vapor ware". What about the materials involved (gold) ? Re-write ability ? Speed of write ? Speed of reads ? Possible seek times ? How well manufacturing of this scales ? etc.
  • Re:5 dimensions? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by khellendros1984 ( 792761 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2009 @05:45PM (#28031907) Journal
    A classic example given in programming is a 6 dimensional array.
    1. Building
    2. Floor
    3. Wing
    4. Room
    5. Shelf
    6. Book
    I guess I've been accustomed to thinking about larger dimension numbers than 3 or 4 for a long time.
  • Re:And.. (Score:0, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 20, 2009 @05:50PM (#28031987)

    Seeing that the fourth dimension is TIME just what is the 5h and 6th?

  • by Cryogenic Specter ( 702059 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2009 @06:01PM (#28032157)
    You may be mistaken. In 1993 you were probably reading about the amazing gnarly research of storing 700 mb on CD media (what? more than 650!) or the amazing hard drive like 100 mb zip drive! (ooooooh, that is like the SAME size as my hard drive, but it's PORTABLE!) I jest of course. I DO however remember reading about blue ray tech around 1996 though. There have been a LOT of developments like this, but the number one determining factor IMHO has been MARKETING, followed by consumer price.
  • Re:5 dimensions? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Actually, I do RTFA ( 1058596 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2009 @06:58PM (#28032969)

    is the state of an object in classical mechanics. The position of an object is 3-dimensional. The state, however, is 6-dimensional: your position (3D) and momentum (3D).

    You left our its orientation (3D) and it's angular monmentum (3D) (assuming non-point objects). Hence 12-D at least.

  • Re:And.. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by x2A ( 858210 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2009 @07:02PM (#28033005)

    There is no "the" anythingth dimension; a dimension is just a property or variable that can be changed independantly of other dimensions within the context. So, in many areas of physics, the four dimensions you use in equations etc will often include time, but that doesn't mean that time is some universal dimension to be found in all equasions. For this storage, when you do the reading/writing is irrelevant to the data, eg, if you write a 1 at 4pm, it will be the same as if you wrote that 1 at 5pm. But, if you write it in a different colour, then the data is different, so, the data at any location can be expressed as a function of the intensity of each of the three colours (or wavelengths) and the intensity of the two different polorizations of light - five dimensions.

    If for example you want to talk about the mass of any of the points where data's stored, then what matters is how many atoms there are there, nothing else is relevant, and so you'd only say there's one dimension.

    So as you see, dimensions aren't universal things, they're purely contextual.

  • Re:And.. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Splintax ( 828933 ) on Thursday May 21, 2009 @03:04AM (#28036573)
    How is this a misuse of the word 'dimension'? It doesn't necessarily refer to a spatial dimension.
  • Re:5 dimensions? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Savantissimo ( 893682 ) on Thursday May 21, 2009 @07:04AM (#28037521) Journal

    In Clifford / Geometric Algebras, which are the correct type of algebras for physics, if there are n dimensions (orthogonal vectors) then there are 2^n degrees of freedom. The grades of the degrees of freedom go by the rows of Pascal's triangle.

    For 3-D that is 1 scalar (for real number coefficients), 3 vectors (x,y,z), 3 bivectors (xy, yz, zx - planes of rotation) and 1 pseudoscalar (xyz - volume). (xy = outer product of x and y, often written x^y. x^y = -y^x)

    In 4-D space-time: 1 scalar (n) - 4 vectors (x,y,z,t) - 6 bivectors (xy, yz, zx, xt, yt, zt -the latter 3 are velocities revealed as rotations)- 4 trivectors - (xyz, xyt, yzt, zxt - the latter 3 are spins) - 1 pseudoscalar (xyzt). ("t" will have a square (inner product, x^2=x.x) opposite in sign to the other three dimensions, usually t^2=1 x^2=-1.)

    Google "geometric algebra tutorial" for more about the physical meaning. It beats the hell out of cross products, quaternions, and many applications of linear algebra and tensors.

  • Re:And.. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by quenda ( 644621 ) on Thursday May 21, 2009 @09:45AM (#28038771)

    mind you, that is no worse than calling stereoscopic pictures or movies "3D". But true 3D is holographic.

  • Re:And.. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Splintax ( 828933 ) on Thursday May 21, 2009 @10:25AM (#28039385)
    I don't have a good grasp on the intricacies of DVDs, but if you're saying that information is recorded on DVDs in three parameters, then yes, it could be called 3-dimensional. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension [wikipedia.org]

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