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Small Robots Could Build Landing Site For Moon Base 199

A new NASA-sponsored study suggests that small lawnmower-sized robots could be used to build a landing site for a moon outpost. In order to be efficient a landing pad would have to be close to any structures created, but without an atmosphere to slow down the lunar sand it would sandblast the outpost, creating the need for some sort of protection. By using small robots to either build protective berms or collect rocks to "pave" a landing pad, NASA hopes to provide protection against the sand-blasting effects of a landing on the moon.
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Small Robots Could Build Landing Site For Moon Base

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  • Yeah right? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by girlintraining ( 1395911 ) on Monday March 02, 2009 @03:36PM (#27043429)

    If robots could be used in construction this complex, they already would. Right up here in Minnesota, there is a huge need for road repair and construction. If there was any way to automate the process more than it already is, it would be done by now. Any robot that could withstand the punishment of construction work would need to be very heavy, and also have a lot of redundancy built into it. It's one thing to make a little mini-rover with a camera and some sampling equipment. It's quite another to put a Caterpillar, cement truck, and support equipment up there, and expect it not to break. Sorry, but human beings need to be there... There are some things robots just can't do -- like repair themselves automatically. And I mean that in practical real-world terms, not in the laboratory.

    Build it on Earth first and make it work, then we'll talk about the moon.

  • No hitchikers (Score:5, Insightful)

    by argent ( 18001 ) <peter@slashdot . ... t a r o nga.com> on Monday March 02, 2009 @03:43PM (#27043531) Homepage Journal

    No weather on the moon. No thieves. No vandals. No vegetation. No mud. 1/6th gee. No wind to blow piles of dirt away. It's a simpler environment to work in.

    Forget the construction work, could you build a rover that would last 90 days in Minnesota. just driving around photographing things?

  • Re:Yeah right? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by MaxwellEdison ( 1368785 ) on Monday March 02, 2009 @03:47PM (#27043571)
    The equiment would need to be that robust on Earth because of how heavy the building materials will be, and because those materials themselves need to be hearty enough to last through the effects of our corrosive atmosphere and stresses induced by the refreezing of water. With 1/6th the gravity and no atmospheric conditions, construction on the moon could be no more than a polymer bag filled up with moon dust and coiled into a simple igloo. Aside from getting the parts there and automating them to run unmanned or remotely, the working environment would not be that bad.
  • It depends... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by tjstork ( 137384 ) <todd DOT bandrowsky AT gmail DOT com> on Monday March 02, 2009 @03:48PM (#27043591) Homepage Journal

    On just what the lunar soil is really like. We know a few bits from the various moon missions but its not like anyone tries to dig anything around up there. If the lunar soil was just a big pile of dust, then a robot pushing it around is rather doable. But if it had all sorts surprises in it, rocks, differences in composition that changes the way one digs, well then, the robots will run into problems.

  • Re:Yeah right? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by xonar ( 1069832 ) <xonar@s m a g n o . com> on Monday March 02, 2009 @03:48PM (#27043599) Homepage

    ...If there was any way to automate the process more than it already is, it would be done by now.

    "Everything that can be invented has been invented."

    Sound familiar?

  • by RevWaldo ( 1186281 ) on Monday March 02, 2009 @04:14PM (#27043867)
    Mouser Mecha-Catbot might have a shot at beating BioHazard.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 02, 2009 @04:36PM (#27044143)

    Did it all go wrong, or just the thing(s) that could go wrong?

  • Why robots? Because they can work at -40 temperatures, doing 16 hour shifts.

    Except they can't, because apart from the fact that you're lucky to get 8 hours of sunshine in MN when it's -40 out, things like rain and snow and vandals and wind and mud and thieves that make your average human grumble in the pub after work bollix up robots completely.

    Every mile of road we build takes a team of twenty people working at least a couple days.

    You're building roads damn fast in MN.

    The robots we're talking about only have to build 160 feet of dirt-pile. They don't even have to compact it. And they can take six months to do the job. And, again, they don't have to worry about wind and rain and green things with teeth and Mrs Cake.

  • Re:Fire the robots (Score:5, Insightful)

    by stoolpigeon ( 454276 ) * <bittercode@gmail> on Monday March 02, 2009 @04:47PM (#27044279) Homepage Journal

    I'll go. Tomorrow. Somebody get me a shovel and a suit.

  • All of those arguments work just as well in Minnesota as they do on Luna.

    MN is a much more hostile environment for robots than the moon is.

  • by Chris Burke ( 6130 ) on Monday March 02, 2009 @05:20PM (#27044669) Homepage

    p.s.: get back to work, fleshy servitor, or we'll reassign you to pave our Lunar Base landing pads!

    Geeze. So on the plus side, robots don't experience fear, doubt, or vanity. On the minus side, they are kinda dicks.

  • by MaxwellEdison ( 1368785 ) on Monday March 02, 2009 @05:21PM (#27044681)
    The soil shield would be for protection from micrometeorites and also keep the area inside in constant shade, reducing thermal effects that may be caused while transitioning from sun to shade. a properly shielded and pressurized habitat could then be constructed within. The habitat could use a magnetic field generator [bbc.co.uk] in combination with other shielding materials to protect the "Lunarians".
  • by Un pobre guey ( 593801 ) on Monday March 02, 2009 @05:55PM (#27045075) Homepage
    Making robots build "the outpost." It never fails to amaze how close people can come to seeing that which is right before their eyes, but not actually get there. We do not need a human outpost. There is no technical or scientific justification for one. Everything worth doing on the moon or in the rest of our solar system can be done with robots. Sending people up there to putter around is a colossal waste of money that detracts from the valuable work of scientific research and technical innovation. It is just plain stupid.

    Amazing. Absolutely amazing.

  • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2009 @09:07AM (#27050005) Homepage Journal

    Come now. Nobody seriously things we should send bricks to the moon. Initially we'll send any structures we need, but any reasonable moon industrialization or colonization will require using local materials. But the first step in using local materials on a large scale will certainly involve moving a great deal of mass, probably far more mass than we'd need to significantly increase our initial capacity there.

    That's the point: you need to spend mass to save mass. Sending giant solar furnaces to the Moon would be a huge investment that would almost certainly not pay off on the scale we could contemplate in the immediate future, because we don't have enough investment in the other things we'd need to exploit that. Debris berm building robots sounds about right.

    An interesting thought occurs though. One solution to the mass problem is simply patience. Since the Von Neumann approach is based on exploiting exponential growth, but growth doesn't have to be fast at the outset. Suppose you put ten robots on the moon that could scavenge enough material to make one robot in ten years. After the first ten years, you'd have 11 robots. After a hundred years, you'd have about 25 robots. After a 1000 years, you'd have almost 14,000 robots. After 2000 years, you'd have 190 million robots.

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