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IPhone 2.0 Jailbroke 228

dch24 was one of many who noted that the iPhone 2.0 software has already been unlocked writes "If you were wondering how I was doing push email tests on iPhone OS 2.0 and Vodafone UK, this is the reason why. The code wizard commandos at the iPhone Dev Team have been working on this non-stop since the early days of beta testing. In fact, I had iPhone OS 2.0 running on my iPhone since last week. That was version 5A345, two below 5A347, but identical in functionality." Still no word on an iPhone 3G crack.
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IPhone 2.0 Jailbroke

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  • Not available yet (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Please run the story when there is a way to confirm it.

  • No Longer Relevant (Score:4, Insightful)

    by stecker ( 263711 ) on Saturday July 12, 2008 @11:10AM (#24164337) Homepage

    While the application development environment was locked, it made sense to play this cat-and-mouse game of jailbreaking phones to get at 3rd part apps. Now that Apple has created a rich ecosystem of free and fairly priced applications, I've lost all interest in the process. I happily scrubbed my phone and went with a clean build of 1.2.

    Of course, there are a different set of motivations behind carrier unlocking.

    • by loconet ( 415875 ) on Saturday July 12, 2008 @11:15AM (#24164353) Homepage

      If I understand this mess correctly [correct me if I'm wrong], ITunes's App store is the only "legit" way of installing software into the device. That's one big reason why jailbreaking is still relevant IMO.

      • Yes (Score:4, Interesting)

        by StarKruzr ( 74642 ) on Saturday July 12, 2008 @03:53PM (#24166027) Journal

        You're quite right.

        Also, several of the applications I use multiple times on a daily basis -- MobileScrobbler, Terminal, sshd, AFPd, others -- would not be permitted under Apple's SDK terms.

        I am eagerly anticipating the release of an .ipsw cracking tool in the near future.

      • by Calibax ( 151875 ) *

        I recall that there are three methods approved by Apple for distributing iPhone applications:

        1. through the iTunes store (for cash or free).
        2. enterprise distribution on an company's own servers.
        3. ad-hoc distribution on up to 100 iPhones.

        I haven't looked at the details on how this all works, but it doesn't seem to me that there's any great reason for jail-breaking now.

        • Are you trolling? (Score:4, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 12, 2008 @05:12PM (#24166569)

          Are you serious?

          Let's cover this:

          >>1. through the iTunes store (for cash or free).

          Clearly it's not that easy. There are only a handful of apps there today. You have to abide by what apple will let you put on the phone/ipod. What if I have a nice SIP app that I want to put on my iphone? Or perhaps I'm clever and I've ported a JRE to the iphone? What are the chances Apple will let me distribute it?

          >>2. enterprise distribution on an company's own servers.

          This is Apple just being funny. There are no large corporations using Apples or iPhone or iPods in a way you suggest.

          >>3. ad-hoc distribution on up to 100 iPhones.

          What if I want the whole world to have an app that Apple would prefer does not exist?

          I don't see why you think these three conditions helps anyone particularly.

          • Re:Are you trolling? (Score:4, Interesting)

            by samkass ( 174571 ) on Saturday July 12, 2008 @11:28PM (#24169343) Homepage Journal

            1. The SIP app should be no problem. In fact I think there's already a VOIP app in the app store. The JRE is explicitly forbidden by the default contract, so you'd have to negotiate with Apple.

            2. Yet. I would be surprised if this stayed true, especially in hospitals and other fields that use lots of vertical apps.

            3. Yep.

            So anyway, yeah... porn, some interpreted stuff, etc. isn't allowed. Is that really reason enough to jailbreak? There's a big difference between no apps and some apps; versus lots of apps and a little bit more apps. If you decide to release your apps via a jailbreak method instead of Apple's store, expect to get a LOT less attention now.

          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by tm2b ( 42473 )

            >>3. ad-hoc distribution on up to 100 iPhones.

            What if I want the whole world to have an app that Apple would prefer does not exist?

            Could you not distribute source, and then anybody could make binaries for up to 100 iPhones?

    • by MouseR ( 3264 ) on Saturday July 12, 2008 @11:17AM (#24164359) Homepage

      Installer 4 can coexist with the App Store on firmware 2.0. This means you can have all the bells and whistles of free and pay-for-use apps of the App Store, PLUS all those apps Apple will refuse to put on their store.

      Because they reserve the rights to exclude any apps from their store. Weither free or not. That is quite anti-competitive.

      My 1st gen iPhone is jailbroken and unlocked. It'll remain unlocked and jailbroken weither I opt for an update.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by jisatsusha ( 755173 )
      What about all those apps that Apple don't approve of? I doubt we'll see things like VoIP on the app store, so yes, there are some cases where it's still relevant.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by jisatsusha ( 755173 )
          From what I can tell, you're forbidden from using it over the mobile carriers network. You can only use it with Wifi.
          • by Telvin_3d ( 855514 ) on Saturday July 12, 2008 @12:47PM (#24164855)

            For good reason. VoIP has much higher data overhead than regular phone service. AT&T and Apple have said that there are worries about network stability if all the iPhone users suddenly start using VoIP for all their calls. Specifically in areas where the 3G service is still not great.

            Like it or not there are any number of application types that could completely thrash the phone network if they got popular. I think it is fair enough for AT&T to limit things that could cause service outages. You will not that they have no problem with you using VoIP, just as long as you do it in a way that won't fuck with their network.

            • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

              by mosherkl ( 1251628 )

              VoIP should have minimal data overhead compared to normal internet use, it's just that the packets (albiet being very small) need to transmit at regular intervals.

              I think the biggest issue that all carriers (not just AT&T) are having with a suddent influx of VoIP users is that their 3G data networks are not yet at the maturity level of their older voice networks, so the new data networks might not have the capacity to handle all the new traffic.

            • Not to mention huge-profit stability. Not being able to reap insane revenues by billing per-minute for phone calls? OMG how will the CEO pay for the new golf course on his private yacht?

              I'm surprised they havent found a way to prevent you from using email (which is unlimited and free) and force you to use text messaging instead (which limits you to send tiny little messages and pay 20 cents each for the privilege)

            • For good reason. VoIP has much higher data overhead than regular phone service. AT&T and Apple have said that there are worries about network stability if all the iPhone users suddenly start using VoIP for all their calls. Specifically in areas where the 3G service is still not great.

              The cellphone company shouldn't sell you "unlimited" data if they can't provide it.

          • Trying to make VOIP calls over EDGE is a REALLY stupid idea. I doubt the latency is good enough even on 3G.

          • by Firehed ( 942385 )

            I'm not sure that's really relevant; most of this country only has 2.xG service (whatever is attached to first-gen iPhones) and that simply doesn't provide enough bandwidth for VOIP calls.

            However, my main concern/desire with VOIP is being able to deal with the shitty cell signal when at home. My iPhone is next to useless as a phone at the house, so I would love to be able to run a VOIP app there and still funnel everything through one device. I could care less about having it on the road - I've got signal

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by DavidShor ( 928926 )
      Have you looked at the prices of the apps? Hardly fair.

      A french-English dictionary costs $19 on the app store. Meanwhile, I can get it for free on an unlocked iphone with webdict.

      It seems that Apple's approval process has discouraged a lot of free software development.

      • by aesiamun ( 862627 ) on Saturday July 12, 2008 @12:05PM (#24164589) Homepage Journal

        Apple doesn't set those prices. If enough people think $19 is too much for a French-English dictionary, the price will drop.

        • by Animaether ( 411575 ) on Saturday July 12, 2008 @12:53PM (#24164901) Journal

          Don't get me wrong, I'm all for software developers making a buck on their application if it's worth it (see related rant on media from a previous slashdot story).

          The question here is... If -I- were to make a *free* French-English dictionary... what are my odds of getting approved as a developer, getting my app approved in the store, and so forth and so on. Keeping in mind that this conflicts with a for-pay product also listed, and of which Apple gets a greater share (as in > $0). I'm sure Apple would allow it, but then there's the case of TomTom (google them) still not being approved for the program, while a competitor (google them also, forgot their name - they're better known in the U.S. I think) is.

          • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

            by NotWorkSafe ( 891638 )
            Well you do have to pay Apple and buy an iPhone/iPod Touch to even develop an application, so they are getting some money out of it.
          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            by Dahamma ( 304068 )

            If you could show you had the rights to the source material for your dictionary (ie it was public domain, licensed, or you wrote it youself) then they would have no problem with it. I downloaded a free audio Mandarin phrasebook from Lonely Plenet that was free yesterday.

          • The question here is... If -I- were to make a *free* French-English dictionary... what are my odds of getting approved as a developer, getting my app approved in the store, and so forth and so on.

            Apple is not stopping any competition from apps, or there wouldn't be the category collision (for things like voice recording and to-do managers) that we have seen.

            Furthermore it *used* to be difficult (or not exactly difficult,, just very random) to get approved as a developer. From what I have seen on developmen

          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            Or if I write an application for personal use I get to install it for $99 (each year) IF Apple says OK. This is a major impediment to me buying an iPhone currently. I want something to serve as a PDA/Phone/Mobile net device and the iPhone is perfect except the Apple based tyranny.

            Further my understanding is that they can also DELETE stuff from MY phone (not sure the mechanism).

            I like the Mac integration and functionality but lack trust in any big company not to screw me if they get the upper hand.

      • by larry bagina ( 561269 ) on Saturday July 12, 2008 @12:25PM (#24164719) Journal
        Of the 500 or so apps, 130+ [macrumors.com] are free (as in $0).
    • I don't get it, you're so excited about official third-party applications that you scrubbed your phone and downgraded to a firmware version that doesn't support them?

    • You know, I thought the same thing until I saw the pathetic array of "official" third-party iPhone applications. The only applications I saw even remotely interesting were the AOL Radio, Movies.app, NYTimes, WeatherBug, and YPmobile.

      All of these except AOL Radio could have just as well been web apps instead of native applications. I won't even entertain the idea of paying for any of the other applications since there is no concept of shareware or trial periods. I'm not about to throw away $10 on an appli

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Selfbain ( 624722 )
      You're on /. claiming we don't need to hack our devices because the powers that be are allowing us to install the apps they deem worthy... are you new here?
    • by yabos ( 719499 )
      For a lot of things it's not relevant to jailbreak but for me I still seemingly have to do a SIM unlock with my current Rogers SIM card even though now Rogers is officially carrying the iPhone 3G. I'm not sure exactly what the problem is but iTunes reports that my Rogers SIM card is invalid. So, something is possibly locking out older Rogers SIM cards or something. I don't have any newer one to try out yet.
    • It's still locked. You have to beg approval from Apple to develop for the iPhone, and then you must abide by their restrictions.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by taniwha ( 70410 )
      not everyone just wants to load apps on their iPhones, some of us are used to travelling the world and loading local sim cards into our phones as we go (because they are cheaper and give us a local number) - I have a nice little collection and wont buy a phone that I can't use this way
    • by mrraven ( 129238 )

      Is there a terminal app, ssh, and and finder for browsing the file system at the app store?

      Until then I'll keep my ipod touch jail broken, it's a miniature Unix based computer and I want to use it that way.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Before and during the first iPhone release the coverage and interest was crazy. Now the iPhone interest seems to almost completely fallen off the radar. About the only coverage has been of the outrageous pricing plans in various countries and huge problems activating the phones.

    Apple didn't meet the publicly stated sales targets with the first iPhone and it was assumed that everyone was waiting for the features in the 2nd gen. But that obviously isn't the case.

    I can't see Apple even remotely coming close to

    • by peragrin ( 659227 ) on Saturday July 12, 2008 @11:37AM (#24164457)

      stop telling lies. Apple has yet to reach their publicly stated sales goals, because the time limit is still on going. They have always stated from the beginning that they wanted 10 million units sold by the end of 2008 they had some 6-7 million sold before iphone 2 was released.

      Apple will make their sales goals with ease and plenty to spare. Apple also doesn't want to be the main cell pone provider. even 5% of the market would rival ipod sales.

      Also Iphone has had at least one bi weekly article about it since last year. hardly lowering the coverage.

      • The 10 million figure was based on the iPhone I. To meet expectations the combined sales of both models will have to well exceeed 10 million this year.

        • That's not Apple's definition - it's yours. You can't "combine" sales because they have replaced the old model with the new. Indeed they felt confident enough of reaching the goal they stopped selling them for almost the last month because they ran out...

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      Apparently you were in a hole yesterday.
    • Wait, what? Really? In Chicago, all the local stations had coverage of the lines at AT&T and Apple stores on their evening news, and the free commuter paper had a huge iPhone taking up the entire cover.

      Maybe the geek press thinks the iPhone is old news, but the popular press is still ALL over it. And in the end, which one will drive (or at least reflect) overall sales?

    • by Divebus ( 860563 )

      Now the iPhone interest seems to almost completely fallen off the radar.

      The iPhone 3G has ten times the interest [timesonline.co.uk] of iPhone v1 in the U.K.

  • (except iPhones)

  • by Anonymous Coward

    is there anything that could possibly improve reception with a iphone that would allow for better reception. out of all the phones I have ever had, the reception on the iphone is horrendous. i get noservice through out the majority of my city and they have swapped my phone out twice. my crackberry use to be able to get reception inside our server room. i can't even get reception inside my building with my iphone.

    i have never experience such poor customer service from at&t and apple. i expect it fr

    • but you should see how long it takes to copy a 17-megabyte file on the iphone...
    • is there anything that could possibly improve reception with a iphone that would allow for better reception. out of all the phones I have ever had, the reception on the iphone is horrendous. i get noservice through out the majority of my city and they have swapped my phone out twice. my crackberry use to be able to get reception inside our server room. i can't even get reception inside my building with my iphone.

      I read somewhere that the iPhone 2's plastic case is better for reception than the original's aluminum casing. I don't know this from personal experience, nor do I think that telling you to go another two years on a contract is really a good answer, but maybe that'll help you in some way down the road.

  • I assume sites like http://www.cellswapper.com/ [cellswapper.com] etc are totally flooded with people wanting out of their AT&T contracts for their new iPhones. Or is there a site where AT&T contracts like that are actually in demand?

  • Other than the geeks points, and the self of accomplishing a moderately complicated feat, why?

    For the first iPhone all it did was raise Apples sales number marginally which promoted the idea that such a locked platform was profitable. Apple made money even without the carrier kickbacks. I agree at that point it made a little bit of sense because iPhone was not available everywhere, so if one wanted to use it in a unsupported locale, then the crack was good.

    But it has gotten a little ridiculous, aside

    • by yabos ( 719499 )
      There are still people who want to have their phone on non official carriers or people like me who are on an official carrier with an EDGE phone but the carrier only supports the newer 3G phone. That is Rogers for me and my older Rogers SIM card does not work with the activation for some reason. So, I am iPhucked for a little while until the SIM unlock comes out. Yeah I'm dumb that I upgraded but you'd think that a SIM card from an official carrier would work..
    • At the end of the day all I can say is what I have said before. If it is just a matter a having fun and hacking the phone, that is great, I salute you. But if the phone is such a piece of crap that it no good without a crack, then why buy it?

      But that's the point. It's not.

      If you want to rebuild a car, are you going to choose a frame from a Gremlin or a Rambler?

      In the end the reason to go through the effort to extend the iPhone is done because it's simply an awesome base to build from. All the jailbreaking

  • by billcopc ( 196330 ) <vrillco@yahoo.com> on Saturday July 12, 2008 @02:07PM (#24165391) Homepage

    The code wizard commandos at the iPhone Dev Team

    Code. Wizard. Commandos.

    So when is Thinkgeek going to start selling camo-patterned electroluminescent Pong robes ?

  • Is there any way to buy the iPhone2 without a plan?

    Demostrating that I already have a 2 yr plan with AT&T so they dont sign me up? (using the details from my company provided phone, when I actually want the iPhone2 for personal use on another carrier once jailbroken?)

    any way at all to get one without a plan? I heard talk of $699 and i'd be happy to pay that without the plan..... but not sure if they actually do it.

    Anyone?
  • If this summary is true, why does the topic at irc://irc.osx86.hu/iphone-dev [irc] say "2.0 STILL LOCKED DONT UPDATE NO JB FOR 2.0"
    Seems to me that those guys are more trustworthy than Giz's advance copy of unreleased software...
  • So, if an iphone requires "jailbreaking" or whatever kind of hipster term you want to use for it, does that make your iphone "jailbait"?

    Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week. Try the salad!

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