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Latest "Green" Power Generation — Your Feet 189

gbjbaanb writes "Remember those ideas that suggested hooking gym machines to the power grid? Well, the Times is reporting that something like this to harness free energy is about to become a reality — the footfall of trudging shoppers is to become the latest source of emission-free energy. 'Engineers who have modelled the effects of the technology at Victoria Underground station in central London have calculated that the 34,000 travellers passing through every hour could power 6,500 lightbulbs. ... The plans for heel-strike generation follow successful trials last year at a bridge in the Midlands where generators converted energy from trains passing above into electricity powering a flood detector.' Possibly the most important thing for the readership is at the end: 'There could also be a range of domestic uses, for example powering iPods by plugging them into batteries placed in the owners' heels, using technology which is already available.' Obviously you'd have to get up and walk around, but, as they say, it's the thought that counts."
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Latest "Green" Power Generation — Your Feet

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  • by Omniscious ( 1260360 ) on Sunday June 08, 2008 @03:26PM (#23701763)
    As well as no free energy.
  • Waste of resources (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jafiwam ( 310805 ) on Sunday June 08, 2008 @03:28PM (#23701775) Homepage Journal
    Humans can't power much continuously. At full tilt on an efficient machine a PRO biker can light a 100 watt bulb. The average luser working out, not worth the bother.

    All the equipment, moving parts, maintained, used to capture human power won't reach the point of break even on any of this stuff. (If you pay your maintenance guy at least.)

    They'd be better off CLOSING the stinking gyms and making people work out outside and not DRIVE there than capturing that power.

    Green is not complicated, often, it is SIMPLE.
  • by dougmc ( 70836 ) <dougmc+slashdot@frenzied.us> on Sunday June 08, 2008 @03:31PM (#23701799) Homepage
    Energy from the sun is approximately free, especially when you put your solar panels on top of building and such rather than in fields ... but I digress. (I said approximately -- the solar panels are not free, and neither are any other components or their maintenance.)


    But as for free energy -- this is not it. By putting generators in the ground that are moved by people walking on them, it will make it harder to walk. I don't know the specifics, but I'm guessing that parts of the floor will move up and down a little as people walk on it, probably a few milimeters. It might be somewhat akin to walking on sand -- and I have to wonder what it would do to a wheelchair.

    This might be practical if you're in a remote location where electrical power is unavailable and you only need a little -- but beyond that, the solution seems worse than the problem. (And really, solar power is more practical for remote areas where you need only a little power.)

  • by ookabooka ( 731013 ) on Sunday June 08, 2008 @03:32PM (#23701809)
    Yeah, I guess the idea is to take the energy that would normally be dissipated as heat/friction and harness that. I'm still wondering if the cost of this technology makes it worth it or not. 6,500 lightbulbs may sound like a lot but if it costs millions...Also if the floor is springy it would be a chore to walk on; that could get really annoying.
  • by FinchWorld ( 845331 ) on Sunday June 08, 2008 @03:36PM (#23701843) Homepage
    As well as no free energy.

    There is however an amass of energy out there going to waste.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 08, 2008 @04:02PM (#23702061)
    "not worth the bother." You mean like oil? I mean, a drop of oil can hardly power anything, thus why waste our time trying to power stuff with it?
  • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Sunday June 08, 2008 @04:03PM (#23702063)
    yeah, we should ban humans and all the world's energy problems would be over

    Post was modded "Funny", but it's actually true. Wish there was a +1 "Ironic". I would hazard a guess that most of the World's problems wouldn't exist w/o people...

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 08, 2008 @04:10PM (#23702125)
    Most western and industrialized nations people need all the extra exercise they can get. (I said most, not all, some people actually stay in shape, most do not, go ahead, look around you) I think the artificial urban power sucking islands could use around a few million of these generators, help to walk off some of that lard and get some practical benefit from it. I already see those ridiculous belching buses that they praise as mass transit stopping every couple hundred of feet. Egads people can't even walk beyond that? Then they go sit on their asses all day long at some office. Jeebus, how wuss can you get? "OMG it feels like walking on sand! I might get the swooning vapors!"
  • Don't exhale (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 08, 2008 @04:18PM (#23702183)
    The only way this is going to be "emission free" is if people don't exhale.
  • by ZarathustraDK ( 1291688 ) on Sunday June 08, 2008 @04:24PM (#23702227)
    Getting all nerded up and talking about "there is no free energy" only covers it partly, specificly the bad part.

    In 'reality' though there are certain bonusses to a soft walking surface.

    1. You get more traction and reduce slipping of feet (which is a problem on hard surfaces with grains of sand on it).

    2. Damage from falling is reduced.

    3. A soft surface is easier on the joints, which is important for everyone, though especially elderly and disabled people.

    Try finding one of those new fancy playgrounds with a semi-soft rubbery-like surface and walk on it. Much more comfortable to walk on compared to concrete.
  • by Hojima ( 1228978 ) on Sunday June 08, 2008 @04:30PM (#23702265)
    You can't refine energy that is dissipated as heat when it's at that level. It's mechanical energy that they use. What would be better is just a gym which uses the mechanical energy of a workout. Have bicycles that spin turbines, weight machines use the kinetic energy that power lifters exert, stair machines with similar principles etc. It wouldn't be a difficult design. With all the huge bastards at my gym, we'd be pumping out a lot of watts.
  • by Charcharodon ( 611187 ) on Sunday June 08, 2008 @04:45PM (#23702335)
    Someone could come up with a power source that is practically free in every sense, and the majority of the people on /. would tear it down.

    If we could build a device to pick up all the negative waves around here, the amount of energy collected would cause the Sun to snuff out a septillionth of a second later.

    Its a cool idea, even if its not 100% practical. Throwing around the standard "there's no free lunch" response doesn't prove your smart, it just proves you're an asshole.

  • by flyingsquid ( 813711 ) on Sunday June 08, 2008 @04:47PM (#23702351)
    6,500 lightbulbs may sound like a lot but if it costs millions...

    6500 light bulbs isn't all that much. Let's be generous and say that each bulb is a high-powered, inefficient 100-watt incandescent bulbs. 6500 bulbs x 100 watts = 650,000 watts, or .65 megawatts. To put things in perspective, a coal or nuclear plant might put out 500-1500 megawatts of power (according to various Wikipedia pages). Obviously, the power output is going to be a lot lower if they're talking about 15 watt compact fluorescent bulbs, however; that'd be about 100 kilowatts of power. That's a respectable amount of power, but you've got to ask (1) how expensive is it going to be, (2) how widely applicable is this model going to be, and (3) how reliable is this power source? Presumably foot traffic is going to decline substantially at night, and perhaps on weekends and major holidays, so the average power generation will be much lower than peak power generation.

    I thought this article http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90714692 [npr.org] provided a much more practical take on the problem. Apparently, factories, mills and refineries which generate high temperature exhaust can use that exhaust to generate power. A major difficulty here is legislative, not technological; if you install the machinery to generate power from the heat produced by a steel furnace, laws designed to protect utilities mean that it's often difficult to sell it.

    That being said, I don't think that recycling waste heat, or any other single technology will solve our energy problems. We need a whole suite of technologies- the ability to drill for deeper oil deposits, more cost-effective mining of tar sands and oil shales, more efficient cars, solar, wind, and more efficient houses, cars, and light bulbs- to increase our supply and reduce our demand.

  • by ctid ( 449118 ) on Sunday June 08, 2008 @04:55PM (#23702417) Homepage
    .. that the person would be there anyway. You have to think about this idea as recovering wasted energy, rather than generating new energy because all those people are walking about anyway.
  • by RyanFenton ( 230700 ) on Sunday June 08, 2008 @05:09PM (#23702513)

    This green revolution made so much more sense when it didn't have the all the hype. Bring back the old timers!


    Well, that depends on how you define the Green Revolution [wikipedia.org]. I prefer to define it in terms of agriculture and human production standards. In terms of the work of Norman Borlaug [wikipedia.org] and other scientists' contribution, rather than as a way to dismiss folks as leftist, which these folks in particular are not. That work has likely saved the lives of more people than almost any other act in human history.

    That said, there's a lot to be said for currently 'leftist' ideas like biodiversity, climate change, and such - but none of those are as much a critical bottleneck to saving lives from suffering and death as the core ideas of food and energy production. It's very much correct to worry if these processes are removing quality and sustainability to life too, over the longer term - but the core issues with the green revolution are far closer to the 'old timers' than the hippies you may associate the words with.

    Ryan Fenton
  • by tehdaemon ( 753808 ) on Sunday June 08, 2008 @06:09PM (#23702891)

    Yes, Wikipedia is your friend [wikipedia.org], but you have to know how to use it. Most solar cells are not cadmium telluride.

    From this wikipedia link,

    First-generation photovoltaic cells (also known as silicon wafer-based solar cells) are the dominant technology in the commercial production of solar cells, accounting for more than 86% of the terrestrial solar cell market.

    T

  • by Malekin ( 1079147 ) on Sunday June 08, 2008 @06:45PM (#23703135)
    The thing about shoes is that while they absorb some energy, they're springy and (good shoes) largely give it back to you when you're lifting your foot. Tiles that absorb energy and don't give it back will indeed make it harder to walk. Probably something akin to walking up a slight incline.
  • by Deadstick ( 535032 ) on Sunday June 08, 2008 @07:04PM (#23703245)
    Probably something akin to walking up a slight incline.

    And that would be bad for the typical obese American or Brit how?

    rj

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