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Hands-On With the Windows XP-Based Asus Eee PC 229

MojoKid writes "Though the Asus Eee PC Windows XP variant isn't due out until sometime in April, HotHardware was able to get their hands on a full retail bundle before they hit store shelves in the US. The standard assortment of accoutrements is included in the bundle, along with a couple of notable upgrades. Asus took the initiative to provide an additional 4GB SD card from Adata, a healthy storage expansion for the system. In addition, an Asus-branded optical mouse was thrown in for good measure. Microsoft's Windows Live messenger, photo gallery and email suite are pre-installed on the the machine for collaborative and social networking capability, in addition to Microsoft Works for word processing, spreadsheets, and calendar functionality."
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Hands-On With the Windows XP-Based Asus Eee PC

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  • Re:Hands on ? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Naughty Bob ( 1004174 ) * on Sunday March 30, 2008 @07:50PM (#22916174)
    I guess if you drag your knuckles....
  • Re:XP (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ScrewMaster ( 602015 ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @07:58PM (#22916234)
    News like this has to be a real slap in the face to Microsoft with the tireless Vista promotion, when XP is still big news.

    A slap in the face to the marketing and software development departments, perhaps ... but I guarantee you that Hell, Gates, Ballmer & Co. is still laughing all the way to the bank.
  • Re:Windows XP? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by webmaster404 ( 1148909 ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @08:14PM (#22916340)
    Well, seeing how both Windows Mobile and CE aren't as well known and would put the EEE as more of an "internet tablet" then a real computer, and how there is no way to get Vista on those things to run well without increasing the price by 100% or more, I don't see any other choice of how MS can get Windows on those things and there is no way MS is going to want to let Linux trample all over the low-end market.
  • Re:Windows XP? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Dice Fivefold ( 640696 ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @08:28PM (#22916446)
    Considering how popular these little machines seem to become, Microsoft surely has plans. I would think something like this:

    *Freshen up XP a bit with some new theme and some gadgets.
    *Give it a new flashy name.
    *Then practically give it away to the manufacturers of these machines.

    Rather that, then to let linux machines get a foothold in the consumer market.
  • Re:XP (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Whiney Mac Fanboy ( 963289 ) * <whineymacfanboy@gmail.com> on Sunday March 30, 2008 @08:32PM (#22916468) Homepage Journal
    I guarantee you that Hell, Gates, Ballmer & Co. is still laughing all the way to the bank.

    Laughing? A market leader is (finally) offering consumers a choice between windows & linux & you think the leaderes of one of the most predatory & unethical businesses in the software word are laughing?

    Sure, they're making money on these things - but for the first time since the early 90s, they're not in the drivers seat - Asus has managed to wrangle a XP deal with its use of linux.

    OFFTOPIC: Your sig - please point us all to an example of someone with a +5 insightful for saying all Americans suck because of $reason. Personally, I think you're full of shit.
  • Re:Hmm. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mobby_6kl ( 668092 ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @08:47PM (#22916556)
    I think the main issue here is that Asus shifted its target market with the more expensive EEE. With the 7" low-end models, the EEE was the cheapest laptop, so if you had only $250 to spend, it was the only (new) option. The small size was just a bonus*. However, once the price approaches $500 or so, it has to compete with all the cheapo 14" laptops*. Whether one choses smaller size over performance and features depends, of course, on individual needs.

    *- at least for some people who are looking for just a laptop, not specifically an ultraportable.
  • by gnutoo ( 1154137 ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @09:00PM (#22916640) Journal

    These devices work better with GNU/Linux, so I hope the Windows version flops. Asus is unable to supply the GNU/Linux version as it is, so they must have lost their minds to roll out the XP version on hardware that only works when you stuff up SD card with binary crap.

    The full featured Xandros OS fits in about 200MB. It includes open office, flash, firefox, Google mail and chat links, Skype and other software that can use the webcam and a reasonable media player. This way, the 4GB model is a good convergence device providing movie playback, music, business software and a video phone. Movies? Yes, they play great off USB thumb drives and you might be able to stream them to yourself with kmplayer. In other words, it does everything the other thin laptops want to do and does it with 1/4 the hardware and power use. Sweet isn't it?

    The upshot is that you can get the XP version and have a hard time keeping it working or the Linux version that works today, but the price will come down eventually. Right now Asus is having trouble delivering 1/3 of demand due to battery shortages. Other hardware makers are sure to rush into the gap and prices will fall. If you think Steve Ballmer is shitting bricks now, just imagine him when these devices hit the projected $200 mark. Xandros and Asus have handed him his ass.

  • Works? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by lunartik ( 94926 ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @09:03PM (#22916652) Homepage Journal
    Why not put Open Office on it? I work at a college, and papers submitted in MS Works are compatible with nothing, not even Word. You can get a translation file for Word, but it loses all the document formatting.
  • by CSMatt ( 1175471 ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @09:10PM (#22916686)
    Xandros has patent agreements with Microsoft, so it's likely that you'll be paying Microsoft either way.
  • by fuzzypuppy ( 1190845 ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @09:19PM (#22916738)
    The Eee couldn't have been designed just for kids:
    One of their marketing photos has a blond woman with large breasts using it at the beach.
  • by Phil Urich ( 841393 ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @09:40PM (#22916872) Journal

    Why not put Open Office on it? I work at a college, and papers submitted in MS Works are compatible with nothing, not even Word. You can get a translation file for Word, but it loses all the document formatting.
    I think the whole thing with this one is to placate (1) Microsoft, and (2) people who get itchy using anything not corporate. Of course it'd be better off with OpenOffice, and you know IE should probably be disabled and replaced with Firefox, and you know MSN can only really talk with MSN so it'd be more useful to put Pidgin on there . . . and so on and so forth until you get to the point where you swap out XP for "version of Linux customized specifically for the eeePC". Honestly I find it strange that anyone in their right mind would choose the XP version over Linux, but if they are it won't generally be with concerns of "oh, but I'd rather be using OpenOffice you know..." In fact their target demographic is probably precisely the kinds of people that'd be more comfortable running MS Works than some crazy hippy nonsense.

    ASUS doesn't need to make a smartly customized eeePC with a choice set of applications . . . that's called the eeePC. The XP version is for people who can't see past the lack of their comfort zone, or desperately require XP for some reason. Plus, for people who are in that interesting demographic that loves/needs XP but would prefer OpenOffice over works, well hey, it's "OpenOffice.org" for a reason :) So I think from a business and market-targeting perspective ASUS has entirely made the right call here, even if at first us geeks react with "whaaa? you have to use Works? Ick!"

    Plus, have you gotten the impression (ie. do you remember the quotes) that ASUS was never too keen on XP in the first place? Hell, this Xandros-based distro on the eeePC is their baby, I'd suspect that at least some members of the company are sneering at running XP but realize there's a market for it, and their reaction to that reality amplifies the points I've made above.
  • by feranick ( 858651 ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @10:06PM (#22917018)
    The cost of supporting Xandros is zero. ASUS basically outsourced the support to community-based forums (such as http://www.eeeuser.com/ [eeeuser.com]). How much cheaper can you go?
  • Re:Hmm. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Talkischeap ( 306364 ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @11:20PM (#22917496) Homepage

    "But I would argue that 90% of the people who bought this machine would have been better served by buying a $399 Acer 14" notebook during a sale at Best Buy.

    Argue away, but everyone that I know with an Eee PC already had a laptop, and wanted a small computer instead of a 5 to 7 pound brick to haul around.

    Everyone of us is over 50 and we have no problem with the so called "tiny" screen.

    Many young people today seem to think that bigger is better, when it's clearly not.

  • by hjf ( 703092 ) on Monday March 31, 2008 @12:12AM (#22917806) Homepage
    This is going to cost me some karma but... this just proves what every reader here refuses to believe: people just WON'T use Linux. It doesn't matter if it's free, if it has "everything you need" (no games or yahoo/windows live messenger -- gaim/pidgin don't count because it's NOT THE SAME god damn it), or the supposed deal-breaker: preinstallation. Slashdotters here seem to think that if you preinstall Linux, people WILL use it, and I very well know that it doesn't happen. People here in my country buy PCs with Linux (most retailers don't sell Windows except in high end brand-name machines. value machines come with a completely useless "FreeDOS preinstalled") and the same day they call the techie neighbor to install a pirated copy of windows. Sorry, but that's the way it is. And it leads us to another point: of those "1 in 5 $399 laptops", probably 9 out of 10 will have a pirated windows installed more sooner than later.
  • by Virtual_Raider ( 52165 ) on Monday March 31, 2008 @12:16AM (#22917828)

    I would need XP because it's an ultraportable that out of the box could run all my work applications, connect to my work's outlook, and I'd be able to move around more easily to troubleshoot stuff using company-standardized software. I get to use most of my existing windows programs (as far as it's possible because the processor) some of them I've paid-for because I liked them enough. So it really depends on what does any individual user intending to do with it.

    Imagine a non-tech person wants to browse the web, use it as an ebook of sorts to read RSS feeds (which your average user can do with TOO much trouble), watch youtube and just haul it around the house more like an electronic magazine than a computer. S/he would probably pick something that already knows how to use so all they need to figure out is how to hook it to the net and get going. While not insurmountable, the Linux learning curve would be slightly higher for this type of users and they make up for a larger market than the computer-savvy.

    Heck, I might even get the XP version just because of what I said above and then dual boot or run DSL on it :D

  • Re:df -h (Score:3, Insightful)

    by lars_boegild_thomsen ( 632303 ) <lth@coCHEETAHw.dk minus cat> on Monday March 31, 2008 @01:56AM (#22918294) Homepage Journal
    The "df" command won't show you the true story :) The thing is the Asus is using unionfs to layer two filesystems on top of each other. One is the original system partition - which is slightly bigger than 2 GB, almost full and read-only. On top of that the slightly less than 2 GB partition that is almost empty bar your /home/user directory is layered. The df command will report around 2 GB with around 2 GB available (I honestly can't remember the total size reported and I've nuked the unionfs on my eee and merged the two partitions into one r/w partition instead).

    And well - it IS pretty much a standard debian with almost a complete KDE minus a little bloat (mostly the window manager as far as I can see). If you dig around you'll discover tons of stuff that is either not used or not accessible through the "easy gui". Examples are kontact/kmail/korganizer. The darn thing also got a complete java jre environment - that alone sucks up what - 50 - 80 MB or so.

    If you want the true sizes you can mount the partitions of the flash manually and then do your df.
  • by shellbeach ( 610559 ) on Monday March 31, 2008 @02:03AM (#22918312)

    This is going to cost me some karma but... this just proves what every reader here refuses to believe: people just WON'T use Linux. It doesn't matter if it's free, if it has "everything you need" (no games or yahoo/windows live messenger -- gaim/pidgin don't count because it's NOT THE SAME god damn it), or the supposed deal-breaker: preinstallation. Slashdotters here seem to think that if you preinstall Linux, people WILL use it, and I very well know that it doesn't happen. People here in my country buy PCs with Linux (most retailers don't sell Windows except in high end brand-name machines. value machines come with a completely useless "FreeDOS preinstalled") and the same day they call the techie neighbor to install a pirated copy of windows. Sorry, but that's the way it is. And it leads us to another point: of those "1 in 5 $399 laptops", probably 9 out of 10 will have a pirated windows installed more sooner than later.
    See, I believed the same thing before the Eee came along. No windows, couldn't run windows (without some tinkering), nobody cared. It's a different market, where people don't need Windows for the things they want to do on the Eee.

    I thought the Eee would be a flop too. But it hasn't been, and I think that represents a major shift in people's thinking. But then, if you think about it, people are becoming a lot more used to dealing with different OSes -- their phone probably runs Symbian, their mate's laptop might run MacOS, and they just keep hearing about this linux thing. And the other interesting thing is that something that's non-Windows is inherently cooler.

    The world isn't Windows-only anymore, and nobody minds one bit.

  • by IchBinEinPenguin ( 589252 ) on Monday March 31, 2008 @04:56AM (#22919086)
    >> linux one comes with a larger flash drive (12Gb vs 8Gb)
    ...
    >Windows-equipped $499 laptops outsell the Linux-equipped $399

    So to get XP I have to pay $100 extra _and_ I get a smaller drive.
    An OEM version of XP costs over 100 dollars?
    That can't be right.
    Microsoft would never do something as moronic as that, they'd give XP away for a penny before they'd capitulate the ultra-low-end market to Linux!
  • by jotaeleemeese ( 303437 ) on Monday March 31, 2008 @07:22AM (#22919592) Homepage Journal
    They have to compete, since obviously Asus has no problems releasing Linux only.

    I am sure other PC manufacturers are watching, and may try to market properly speced and functioning Linux offering even if only to get out of idiotic exclusivity agreements with MS (which they should not have signed in the first place).

    Ladies and gents, maybe this time the year for Linux in the desktop has really arrived, thanks to a company that saw the bleeding obvious: the differential in price between Linux and Windows. This year of economic downturn will concentrate the minds of a lot of people that will wonder why they should keep paying for more expensive, buggier, standards shy software.
  • by jotaeleemeese ( 303437 ) on Monday March 31, 2008 @09:02AM (#22920116) Homepage Journal
    Then what? there will be a point when Linux is up to scratch for more demanding tasks.

    It is not if but when.

    The reason Ballmer was blabbering about patents is because they know their normal modus operandi of embrace and extend is simply not going to work. Patent litigation is is plan B, and even that may not be a plan at all if US courts finally see the light and strike down software patents for what they really are: the cave of the Ali Babas of the IT industry.

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