Ericsson Predicts Swift End For Wi-Fi Hotspots 286
mikesd81 writes "Mobile technology group Ericsson is predicting a 'swift end' for Wi-Fi hotspots, according to the PC Pro site. Johan Bergendahl, the company's chief marketing officer, offers this analysis: 'The rapid growth of mobile broadband is set to make Wi-Fi hotspots irrelevant ... Hotspots at places like Starbucks are becoming the telephone boxes of the broadband era. Industry will have to solve the international roaming issue ... Carriers need to work together. It can be as simple as paying 10 euros per day when you are abroad.' He also pointed to a lack of coverage as a potential hindrance to the growth of the technology."
Simple yes, cheap no (Score:4, Insightful)
Sure it's simple, but it's not cheap.
I fail to see the correlation. (Score:5, Insightful)
Wait, don't tell me, I can figure this one out...
Amazing how companies are unrealistic. (Score:5, Insightful)
Cellular modems are typically very slow unless you buy the high speed broadband type. And that's $50.00 a month for limited use. Even when I have my cellular modem with me I still use public wifi when it's available. It's faster, not capped with hidden transfer caps, and honestly smoother.
Granted my only experience is with Verizon's and AT&T's offering. but wifi hot spots are here to stay.
Quite the opposite (Score:5, Insightful)
either get with the times, or lose business.
It is assumed that a coffee shop will have wifi, seeing it at a restaurant is becoming more and more commonplace, and seeing it at an airport is starting to be expected.
Does he mean non FREE wifi?
This is something that has always baffled me. A really fast cable connection costs about 50 bucks a month (at least thats what I pay for 8down 2up in Phoenix)....a wireless AP costs anywhere from $20-100 depending on how much bullshit you eat from the idiot working at best buy.
How can you not justify a $50 a month expense, and a $50 initial cost?
Back to reality (Score:-1, Insightful)
I don't think so, at least not in Canada. (Score:0, Insightful)
They are in fantasy land (Score:3, Insightful)
What is planet is this guy from? (Score:3, Insightful)
Ten euros a day? (Score:4, Insightful)
Marketing Dude says his product is hot shit! (Score:2, Insightful)
Typical Marketing BS (Score:4, Insightful)
This guy is just predicting that he will get more important without any factual basis.
they have always been irrelevant, (Score:5, Insightful)
now, the issue of mobile connectivity is a different matter altogether. there is only one huge reason we still can't have reasonable mobile connectivity. it is because the mobile carriers are hellbent on not letting their networks 'decay' into something similar to the open internet, where they'll have to make money from network connectivity, and probably lose out on all their stupid "markup" services that are pushed onto the mobile users -- ridiculous "ringtone" downloads, ridiculous "official sites" and what not. once mobile connectivity becomes ubiquituous, all those "business models" will go, and most likely on day zero.
until the governments (or, eventually, the invisible hand) turn the mobile services oligopolies into something more competitive, changes will be coming at the usual glacial speed.
COST IS NOT THE REAL ISSUE OF CONCERN (Score:-1, Insightful)
if the service was speedy, relatively secure and monitored, somewhat private,
and convenient for them to get their work done without issue.
This does NOT describe any wifi spot I've ever encountered, however.
A smart business might offer free wifi as an added 'bonus' to customers
in the way a car dealership offers its clients a cup of coffee.
Print the access code on the bottom of the cup, why not?
It would be VERY interesting if some of these hotspots offered a 'wired' solution also.
Wouldn't take much more in the way of hardware to implement, and the peace of mind is worth it.
My
Only in that guy's microcosm (Score:4, Insightful)
Additionally, those coffeehouses (and ferries, and restaurants, and so forth) stand to either do good by doing well -- wouldn't you frequent a business where you can get online free? -- or make enough coin to cover the service and then some. Cellular modeming only profits the telephone company. So WiFi is only a dying breed (wishful thinking) in the cellular providers' eyes, same as vinyl records and cassettes went away only because the industry said they were passe, not the consumers.
Telco Business Plan (Score:5, Insightful)
2. Charge high fees to your (trapped) customers.
3. Profit!
Free (or cheap) Wifi has to be eliminated as part of step #1.
Re:I fail to see the correlation. (Score:5, Insightful)
Does anybody seriously listen when companies come out with this sort of self-serving 'analyses'? Do they think these companies make these statements out of the goodness of their hearts? If one person switches to a mobile internet device because of this, they're an idiot. Doublly so if they buy an Ericsson.
(Posted from a wifi hotspot).
Premises (Score:5, Insightful)
"Just 10 euros" (Score:5, Insightful)
* My 10 meg cable is $50/month or so
* My rent is $645/month
* My car payment is $420/month
* Dinner and a good beer at the pub is about $15-20
* This service would cost $450/month
So, "internet freedom" would cost 2/3rds of a month of rent, as much as eating dinner out almost every day, nine times what my statically located service is (where I spend most of my time), and would give me little benefit compared to making a car payment.
I think "just 10 euros" are much better spent on practical things.
Interesting (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What is planet is this guy from? (Score:5, Insightful)
Isn't it interesting just how far out of touch from reality he is? I mean, even after you allow for the self-serving corporate shill factor, he's still way, way off anything that sane people are going to want. That can be dangerous for a senior corporate officer, even in marketing. It may be his job to lie, but I suspect that the shareholders would like to think he knew roughly where the bounds of reality lay.
You know what I think he's doing? I think he's extrapolating from the ridiculous margin the carriers make on SMS messages, and using that to calculate bandwidth charges. He thinks "they pay these rates for SMS, so they pay for connectivity".
Of course, if too many people make that particular connection, it could end up having the opposite effect to the one he wants.
I think he meant to say this (Score:3, Insightful)
then we (providers) will be able to leach off 10 euros a day from tourists, since coffee shops will not have wireless internet then -
keeping it only for the tourists doesn't make sense.
as if.
I think his leg is getting wet..... (Score:4, Insightful)
What an abnormally stupid thing for even a marketing guy to say. It seems to thread together the common hubris among carriers, telcos, and their equipment providers. Quick-- somebody tell them about the lipfart problem before it's too late. I actually like Sony Ericsson phones (they last longer) over Moto, LG, and the iGroan.
Re:I fail to see the correlation. (Score:3, Insightful)
Why is this? Doesn't seem to make economic sense, especially for the hotels.
Here in the US the situation is pretty simple. The only people who charge are large established businesses with little competition. Starbucks charges because they have a large customer base. Every other coffee shop in town gives it away for free as an incentive to visit their location. Same thing with many hotels. Holiday Inn offers free wifi. I know, I borrowed it once (and my brother in law stays in a lot of Holiday Inns). About the only time a business charges for wifi is if they know people are going to come in and they can sell it as an upgrade. Wifi is a very cheap service to offer, so everyone else uses it as a loss leader (bars, tanning salons, dog groomers, whatever)
Yep (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Wake me up.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Japan sets the bar when it comes to cellphones. Secondarily, Nokia's Europe, but primarily, next-gen mobility can be seen in japan (and they have mobile broadband fast like hell and have had it for enough years for it to be mainstream and CHEAP).
The US protects their phone companies like if they were the baby jesus or even (GASP) an airline and you (and myself, a third class non-us citizen), just sit down and enjoy our lunch, paying absurd comunications tarifs arbitrarily set by government sanctioned monoplies or oligopolies.
And there you have it. We will call you when phone companies cease to be oligopolic assholes, okay?
Now, i have NO idea why japan's Docomo, a really tough uber monopoly, can offer the absolute tip of network technology to all of japan, while mantaining their monopoly. No idea whatsoever.
Re:Simple, right... (Score:5, Insightful)
When I go home to Ireland, I put an Irish prepaid SIM card in my phone. I asked them (wisely) how much their 3G service costs. They told me it was Euro10.00 PER MEGABYTE. Needless to say, I disabled all the data functions on my Windows Mobile smartphone.
Why the phenomenal difference between the two data tariffs? Nobody could tell me. Some media stories surrounding the announcement by the European Union that they were looking at Roaming charges suggested that the high price of data services cross-subsidises lower voice and SMS costs. In any properly regulated telecoms market, that sort of cross-subsidy should be banned. It is no longer business customers who want data services - telcos who stack it high and sell it cheap will gain market share and should smell the coffee.
In fairness, a post-paid data-only 3G subscription is available in Ireland for Euro50 (for the dongle) and Euro15 per month (that will increase after three months and the service is capped at 5Gb per month). This is more reasonable. But 10 per day? No way Jose...
Re:Simple, right... (Score:3, Insightful)
I do agree that it's very expensive, but I don't think regulating it will fix anything. That would only bring up the costs for the majority of mobile users who don't need roaming. I'd prefer a huge, free WLAN mesh network that covers most of (urban) Europe. Then we could get rid of the middleman and ignore the whole issue.