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Moore's Law Is Microsoft's Latest Enemy 395

Glyn Moody writes "Until now, the received wisdom has been that GNU/Linux will never take off with general users because it's too complicated. One of the achievements of the popular new Asus Eee PC is that it has come up with a tab-based front end that hides the complexity. But maybe its real significance is that it has pushed down the price to the point where the extra cost of using Microsoft Windows over free software is so significant that ordinary users notice. As Moore's Law drives flash memory prices even lower, can ultraportables running Microsoft Windows compete?"
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  • by realthing02 ( 1084767 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:11PM (#22664584)
    Familiarity is worth $200 to a lot of people. Besides, if this becomes the case, I'd have to imagine we won't be seeing vista or whatever windows system there is being sold for the same price.
  • by node 3 ( 115640 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:14PM (#22664616)

    Moore's law pertains to transistor density, not price.

    It's such a well-known thing that anyone who makes the inference that Moore's law has anything to do with price is an idiot.
    Moore's Law is strongly correlated with price. For about the same price, you can double the number of transistors every 18-24 months, *or* you can keep the same amount of transistors for less cost, or some combination thereof.

    In fact, the relation between Moore's Law and price is so well known, that I'd say anyone who thinks it has *nothing* to do with price is the idiot...
  • XP on EEE (Score:2, Insightful)

    by copious28 ( 983855 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:15PM (#22664630)
    Asus is already has an XP model overseas, and it is coming to the US. They have created a smaller footprint for the OS, so I dont see any barriers...
  • by Selfbain ( 624722 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:15PM (#22664640)
    If you have $3000 to blow on a laptop then you're not the target market for the Eee in the first place making your comment irrelevant.
  • I think they don't (Score:5, Insightful)

    by alx5000 ( 896642 ) <alx5000&alx5000,net> on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:20PM (#22664714) Homepage

    I don't think ordinary users notice. When I talk to my non-tech-savvy friends, they usually ask me if this or that price is right for a given computer, mostly without taking into cosideration its characteristics (Once a girl I know asked me if a 300 price tag for a laptop could be right, and when I asked for specs, she only replied "Acer"). Besides, we've got big PC stores here (like PC City) whose prices can be 50% more expensive than those you find in smaller, franchised, specialized shops, and they still sell the most.

    So no, ordinary users will judge the price based on how awesome the salesman tells them it is (and, of course, if it doesn't come with Windows, don't bother calling it a PC, please, it just confuses them).

  • by davidwr ( 791652 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:20PM (#22664718) Homepage Journal
    MS had a $3 XP license in the 3rd world for awhile. If they did that worldwide and cooperated with these low-end PC vendors it would short-circuit the Linux retail-price advantage.
  • Sure they can! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by OpenSourced ( 323149 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:21PM (#22664740) Journal
    can ultraportables running Microsoft Windows compete?

    Sure they can! Sure, Linux is free, but Windows can be also made free. After all, it's not like it's not already amortized, or something. They can even _pay_ the PC makers to put Windows inside, if it's just in some models. Linux cannot really compete with that, can it?

  • by iamacat ( 583406 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:24PM (#22664772)
    Once CPU speeds cease to double every few years, competition becomes too complex to sustain a monopoly. Further increases in software performance and features will be done in many different ways - robust multithreading for multi-core CPUs, instruction sets more efficient than x86, use of GPU and CPU's vector unit for general computations, programable hardware with each application supplying Verilog-like code, distributed computing and of course plain old good code. It's impossible for one operating system or one application of a given category to be optimum in all these areas. Programming languages very different from C++, Java or .Net will be needed for good auto-parallelization, auto-vectorization and use of programable hardware. A market for a bare-bone, hand coded in C and assembler OS may once again develop if it allows a movie frame rendering app to run 30% faster when hardware performance is not anticipated to rise wildly in a couple of years.

    Microsoft can not possibly maintain 10 operating systems with radically different code bases and programming interfaces. In fact it's likely that some use scenarios will be too specialized for a commercial company and will instead be realized by open-source coding by the prospective users. Eee-PC and OLPC are already more about failure of Moore's law that it's continuation. People want to have a cheap, light and silent notebook with extraordinary battery life, but the technology to run Vista+Aero on such a machine is not anywhere on the horizon. So it suddenly makes more sense to run Linux in order to have the hardware that the user wants.
  • rolling my eyes (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dodgedodge ( 166122 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:25PM (#22664792)
    Utter nonsense. The last paragraph illustrates perfectly why. 99% of the market does't want to customize their OS, they want apps. I can't believe 30 years later some people still don't get that.
  • by Cro Magnon ( 467622 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:27PM (#22664820) Homepage Journal

    And to be fair, it would be really hard to let people customize as deeply as they need to without letting them muck with the deep details of your OS.


    Only because of how MS made its OS. Some OS's *cough*Linux*cough*BSD*cough* let you choose among dozens of different UI's without messing with the kernel.

  • by Wister285 ( 185087 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:30PM (#22664880) Homepage
    I'm sure it's been said many times here, but I think that it is really this simple:

    + Simplify the interface and make it usable
    - As much as I love KDE, there are just too many options.
    - GNOME needs to be more usable. Sometimes I think that it was made for 5 year olds.
    - Once you get over the fact that Office 2007 is not Office 2003, Office 2007 is a good example of how to make things simple AND usable.

    + Get support from big companies that sell to schools

    + Increase interoperability with Windows applications

    Linux is on its way and I think that Windows XP highlights just how far Linux has come. As much as it many not seem like it, Windows may have moved more towards Linux than vice versa. Linux developers need to understand what Apple has done. Linux is great, but I think that the people who develop it don't understand the people who actually use the products!
  • If it wasn't for Moore's law, Linux would have long since caught up with them. Imagine if hardware hit a wall, and technology couldn't advance beyond say what existed in 2000 or 2005. Then MS couldn't sell a more complex OS or office suite, and customers would be "stuck" with Win 2000 XP. There would be security patches or hard tuned optimizations to make it a bit faster, but that would be it. They couldn't justify the release an expensive major update for existing customers. Users would dead end at office 2000 or office 2003, since there would be no incentive to update. Office 2007 and/or Vista would not run at all, or would run impossibly slow on such machines.

    Eventually, Open Office and Linux would catch and match them feature for feature, so new customers would have no incentive to go with the proprietary solution, since their protocols would eventually be reverse engineered bug for bug, feature for feature, driver for driver. The only way MS keeps Linux at bay is by releasing new feature laden stuff that takes advantage of new, updated hardware.

    My prediction: The end of Moore's law will herald the end of Microsoft.

  • Re:Slashdot (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gQuigs ( 913879 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:33PM (#22664926) Homepage
    100 years from now. Do you thing proprietary software has a chance in hell? It just is not sustainable to have every business, school, and government paying 1 provider of software for an operating system.

    The school district I grew up at pays MS $400,000 every year for the software assurance program (and then $75,000 to Symantec to secure it). The total budget is about 150 Million. This can not be sustained.

    Windows can not compete with Linux. That's why they use lock-in, FUD, etc.
  • by Dr. Manhattan ( 29720 ) <(moc.liamg) (ta) (171rorecros)> on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:37PM (#22664986) Homepage

    Familiarity is worth $200 to a lot of people.

    A lot less people all the time. Every single electronic gizmo nowadays has its own menu system, along with half the websites and such. People are used to learning slightly different interfaces all the time these days, 'familiarity' is much less of a barrier. And then there's the fact that Vista's Aero interface isn't all that familiar to XP-users compared to the latest Linux systems, anyway.

    There are still plenty of dealbreakers - niche Windows-only software - but those niches are shrinking, and 'familiarity' alone isn't enough to save Windows forever.

  • Re:Slashdot (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Locutus ( 9039 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:38PM (#22664998)

    Only on Slashdot would an article ask if Windows can compete with Linux.

    *Shakes head*
    And yet these low cost devices are constantly being offered only Microsofts 6 year old version of their operating system. That's right, out dated software instead of the latest as is the case with the Linux operating system and software on these devices. I just can't wait to see how the price of these devices go up when Microsoft pays them to put Windows Vista on them instead of Linux. But hey, what's another billion dollars or so spent to keep the ignorant shaking their heads?

    And yes, I can shake my head too.

    LoB
  • by Evanisincontrol ( 830057 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:39PM (#22665016)

    Here's a choice quote from the page you gave: "Steven Moore was a well known ultra-Zionist that was known to make romantic passes at goats."

    The text you describe appears nowhere in the article [wikipedia.org] for Moore's Law. This should come as no surprise, since Moore's Law is named after Gordon Moore, not Steven Moore.

    I figured that would have at least gone to the trouble to vandalize the article yourself and add in such garbage. However, a quick look at the page's history [wikipedia.org] shows that you did not even go to the trouble to do that. (not that it matters; vandalism on Wikipedia is typically reverted in under a minute.)

    Congratulations, you are not only a liar, but you are also lazy. Please take your poorly made strawman arguments elsewhere.
  • by GodfatherofSoul ( 174979 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:45PM (#22665094)

    GNOME needs to be more usable. Sometimes I think that it was made for 5 year olds.

    A lot of irony in this comment. The sign of a great UI is that the young and uninitiated can easy learn them.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 06, 2008 @01:51PM (#22665166)
    And it would short-circuit Microsoft's share holders in the long run whom they answer to.
  • by xZgf6xHx2uhoAj9D ( 1160707 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @02:07PM (#22665398)

    I keep hearing this mantra, but I think a lot of it is a case of people looking at the past through rose-coloured glasses. Do people really think that software was more efficient in the days of the Commodore 64?

    I remember in the late 1980s, a fair number of games for the PC would take at least 3 minutes to start up, just to initialize look-up tables and pre-render sprites! In the early 1990s, Netscape would literally take more than 45 minutes to start up on his PC. In the mid 1990s, I remember seeing, for the first time in my life, a game rendered at more than 30fps.

    My point is, people are a lot less patient these days with computers. No one in their right mind is going to wait a minute for an application to start up, and certainly not 45 minutes for a browser!

    If you want to know how bad software was in the 1980s, try to run some software from the 1980s. I used to think like you do, that software was incredibly efficient and incredibly well written in the 1980s. Then I tried to run some software from the 1980s. A game from the 1980s often runs slower on today's hardware than today's games do. There are all sorts of ill-conceived hard coded limits in old games. Take software from the 1980s and try to run it on data sets measuring in the gigabytes: no dice.

    Again, people expect more from their software today than they did from yesteryear. I'm extremely suspicious of people who say that old software is more efficient/better written than today's software. I've used software from the C64 age. Guess what: IT SUCKED.

  • Re:Slashdot (Score:3, Insightful)

    by rolfwind ( 528248 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @02:16PM (#22665572)
    Open Source has free and open standards inherently by its very nature.

    Propietary TENDS to have closed standards by its very nature - it's just a logical procession by the coders of closed source unless forced to otherwise by outside circumstances.
  • by WalterGR ( 106787 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @02:20PM (#22665616) Homepage

    [Microsoft's] strategy has therefore been to write software that requires more and more demanding hardware, not to offer enriched user experiences (as claimed) but rather as a rationalization for keeping costs up.

    If a P3 500Mhz system was coded with the efficiency and elegance that prevailed on the Commodore 64, your OS and every application running would be so blazingly fast as to seem instantaneous...

    Does Linux run as fast as you describe an OS would if its authors didn't have ulterior motives?

  • by psychodelicacy ( 1170611 ) <bstcbn@gmail.com> on Thursday March 06, 2008 @02:20PM (#22665622)
    I would argue that you're utterly wrong on this. Some of my DRMd music wouldn't play on Linux until I sorted it out, but that's a problem with iTunes and not with Linux. MP3s were never a problem.

    More than that, I installed Ubuntu from scratch myself, knowing nothing about Linux beyond what I could find on Google and had picked up from using the Eee for a week or so. The only thing that gave me significant trouble was the wireless card, but that's working fine after a bit of tweaking. I'm now using egrep, shell scripts and a bit of perl to do some great stuff which has advanced my PhD research (into medieval literature) astronomically.

    The problem is not that Linux is in any way "unusable", but that many people are scared of learning to use new tools. I have genuinely come across a lot of people who think they will "break" their computer if they do anything beyond what Windows easily allows. Downloading codecs for MP3s or using the command line to move or rename a file would be terrifying for them because they fear the kind of hissy fits that Windows tends to throw if you tinker with it. We need to encourage people to understand that customising your OS, playing with it, trying things out, should be the norm - and that you really have to be quite clever to "break" a computer!
  • by DragonWriter ( 970822 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @02:20PM (#22665624)

    MS had a $3 XP license in the 3rd world for awhile. If they did that worldwide and cooperated with these low-end PC vendors it would short-circuit the Linux retail-price advantage.


    Microsoft can only afford the $3 XP license in the third world because the entire cost of XP development is paid by the people paying the high price of licenses in the first world. If they start making similarly low-cost Windows license available in the first world, where not only will they compete with Linux (good for MS), they will also provide a low cost alternative to Microsoft's more expensive OS earnings (bad for MS), then they risk destroying the market that is paying the premium that covers their fixed costs so that they can have a low-cost third-world version that makes a slim profit only because the entire fixed cost of development has already been paid for by the market in the developed world.

    The only way Microsoft can survive if it does that is if (1) it can transform its business model to rely more on making money on service and support for business rather than software licenses, or (2) it can manage to raise the cost early adopters of its top-line OS's pay even more, without somehow losing all its early adopters.

  • by whoever57 ( 658626 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @02:23PM (#22665658) Journal

    Microsoft can make money on windows without charging for it; they can charge $15/copy for the minicomputer version. Microsoft has an endless number of strategies, which they will employ to keep market dominance for as long as they can.
    MS could afford to give away the OS, if they chose. The real profit comes from Office -- so what are those minicomputer users going to use? As you rightly point out, MS is not just going to give up. MS has lots of cash which can be used to oompete (and I am sure that Google wants the Yahoo deal to go through because this removes all of MS's cash, which will hinder MS's future freedom of action).

    In the past, MS has effectively given away software -- in the form of licenses that could be used on two computers: so that a license bought for a work machine could be taken home and used on the home machine.

    Microsoft has two advantages over Linux: familiarity and applications. Recent Linux distributions are as easy, if not easier to use than Windows, but many applications (such as iTunes) are simply not available on Linux. Both of these advantages can be swept away if Linux gains a significant foothold in the desktop market.

    I just wish that Apple would see that helping Linux would also help Apple. Breaking MS's dominance is the most important goal and Linux can help that to happen.
  • by CastrTroy ( 595695 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @02:24PM (#22665674)
    You shouldn't need 2GB to do those things though. That was the entire point of my post. You can do most things on Linux with 1/4 of the resources that Vista takes. If the next windows takes the same approach, and requires that you have 6 GB of RAM for a 3D desktop while playing mp3s, then Linux will just seem that much more attractive. My Linux laptop has 512 MB of RAM, and i've never felt like I needed more memory. Granted, I don't do video editing or editing of 80 MegaPixel images, but most people don't do that kind of thing anyway.
  • Yes and No (Score:5, Insightful)

    by istartedi ( 132515 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @02:52PM (#22666050) Journal

    This is somewhat akin to asking in 1920 "100 years from now, do you think Ford's cheap cars have a chance?".

    At the rate we are going, it's entirely possible that the Ford Motor Company will go Chapter 11 (or more likely be bought by some other company) and for all intents and purposes cease to exist. In both cases, there is broad mass appeal in the first wave of a technology adaption, and a cash horde and corporate infrastructure with "legs".

    In 1920, electric and steam were still competitive engine technologies. In the 1920s it was probably apparent to most that gasoline engines would dominate. This happened, and the engine in mass-market autombiles was fundamentally the same (emission, computer, and many other refinements aside, still the same fundamental technology) until hybrids were mass-marketed in the late-90s. Now it looks like hybrids might dominate some day; but gasoline-only had quite a run, didn't it?

    100 years from now, who knows what the trend in computing will be? Maybe most people won't even have general-purpose computers. Maybe they'll just have boxes with a dozen killer apps built into hardware for better reliability, because the "do it in software first" stage of development will be considered "done".

    Or, maybe the introduction of inexpensive multiprocessing technology, smart non-volatile memory, or some other combination of these will reveal deficiencies in OS design that require re-writing the OS from scratch, and maybe that OS will dominate for 30 years. 100 years from now is enough time to fit about 3 lifetimes of MS and *NIX. In other words, 100 years is a long time even in a conservative technology like automobiles, nevermind tech where 10 years is an "eternity".

  • by cptdondo ( 59460 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @03:09PM (#22666244) Journal
    I have to disagree somewhat... My kids and wife (who are technically savvy but not literate in the linux meaning of the word) use XFCE by choice. I tried KDE and GNOME for their desktops and got shouted down. Basically, they prefer simpler over complex, and less/no eye candy over annoying stuff.

    I suspect that given the choice, most users would opt for the simplicity of something like XFCE over the ever-intrusive, incredibly annoying, and totally persistent Windows popups.

    I'm still waiting for outlook to pop up with a "You got your latest installement of pr0n" email over a powerpoint presentation. I don't know how the h*ll people get anything done with the constant annoying whining that windows does about *everything* it does.

    See, you got email.
    See, I checked for viruses.
    See, I'm going to upgrade your system.
    See, I'm gonna annoy the sh*t out of you.
  • by Vellmont ( 569020 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @03:15PM (#22666342) Homepage

    If you want to know how bad software was in the 1980s, try to run some software from the 1980s.


    I have to totally agree. Several months ago I was recovering data from my old C64/128 disks. The word processor of the time was really good by the standards of the time (80 columns? WOW!). In 2008 however it was a total piece of garbage. Forget about data sharing of export, those things didn't really exist. As far as features, one decent programmer could pretty easily recode the thing with the features it included in maybe a month.
  • by guisar ( 69737 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @03:31PM (#22666600) Homepage
    Like what? Have you ever even used one? Your comment is pure FUD. For instance, does your out of the box MS Windows machine have skype installed? What about word processor and other business applications? What about disk encryption and mobile sync software? Can it sync up your calendar and contacts with google or other calendars and your PDA? My eeepc does all that and more, out of the box. So quick your FUD or name specific examples of USEFUL tasks that aren't just made up to justify your point.
  • by cloakable ( 885764 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @03:44PM (#22666796)
    With open source, though, all it takes is one person finding a good solution for everybody to have it. And open source has a hell of a lot of developers.
  • by lnxpilot ( 453564 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @03:57PM (#22667000)
    I beg to differ.
    Amigas had a full multitasking OS with windowing GUI in 512kB of RAM (in fact, the first one, the Amiga 1000 had only 256kB).

    With a 7MHz CPU (M68k), they were comparable in speed to XP running on a 500 MHz Intel CPU with a basic graphics card and 128MB of RAM (256 times more).
  • by tech10171968 ( 955149 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @03:57PM (#22667012)

    The problem is not that Linux is in any way "unusable", but that many people are scared of learning to use new tools. I have genuinely come across a lot of people who think they will "break" their computer if they do anything beyond what Windows easily allows. Downloading codecs for MP3s or using the command line to move or rename a file would be terrifying for them because they fear the kind of hissy fits that Windows tends to throw if you tinker with it. We need to encourage people to understand that customising your OS, playing with it, trying things out, should be the norm - and that you really have to be quite clever to "break" a computer!

    If I had any mod points left you would have a couple headed in your direction right now, for ou have touched upon one of the biggest roadblocks in the adaptation of linux and other alternative OS's. Before we went to 100% FOSS in our office I had to convince our president that linux wasn't some sort of "virus" or "hacker's tool". Not that I could blame her though; between the copious amounts of FUD coming out of Redmond, and the natural human aversion toward anything not in our "comfort zone", it's no wonder that people have been hesitant to even so much as give another OS a fair shot.
    On the other hand, another problem I've run into in trying to convince even my more computer-literate associates to switch is that most of these guys have cut their collective teeth on Windows OS's. They know every nut, bolt, registry and DLL hack of that system, and they kind of like their view from the top. They'll never admit it but their perception is that trying on an unfamiliar OS would force them to swallow some pride and put them back at the bottom of the learning curve. I guess some people's egos just can't bear to take that kind of hit.
  • by fermion ( 181285 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @04:00PM (#22667060) Homepage Journal
    Visicalc and Applewriter started nearly instaneously on my Apple. I could create spreadsheets and write papers that would print rather quickly, any slowness was due to the mechanical printer.

    I could dial into the big computer, download and compile code as fast as as any modern machine.

    My video game consoles started immediately, and game play was real time.

    Many computers started up rather quickly. Many applications started up rather quickly. MS did not.

    I am not saying things did not suck, but it was more a matter of available resources and the state of the art. comparatively not that the code was bad. It is clear that code today is worse, and the good practices we were taught are no longer valid. At some point, programmers became more expensive than memory or cycles. At that point it no longer made economic sense to spend money writing something that would fit in 8K or ram, or run on the cheapest CPU, or avoid the need for a GPU. It would be cheaper for the consumer to go out and buy these things rather than pay the person-hours it would take to write. The end result is that we live in an age of clearly bloated framework, that require huge resources for even the simplest jobs, simply because it is cheaper for 1000 people to buy an extra gig of memory than to pay a person to write an efficient program. Who today would write a GUI(I have written parts of one, it is not the hardest thing to do) when there are so many available, even if one has to suffer with the bloat and silly API>

  • by genericpoweruser ( 1223032 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @05:09PM (#22668280)
    I agree that the UIs are similar enough between XP and Vista so as to not be confusing. However, I believe you're overlooking part of the argument the GP was making--Linux UIs aren't that different either. Going from XP to Gnome, you'll see that the taskbar is on the top, has a clock on the right, a task tray next to the clock, and a "start menu" (though it's split into different tasks) on the left. Nautilus is different than explorer, sure, but IMO it is much better (anyone know of a way to get a nautilus-like file manager for XP?). While it is more different that the changes from XP to Vista, it is far from a dealbreaker, I believe. Gnome is more similar to XPs UI than Office 2007 is to Office 2003 (admittedly I have never used Office 2007, but I've seen lots of people get confused when, for example, trying to use Powerpoint 2007--it looks and works completely different).
  • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @06:02PM (#22669064) Homepage Journal
    timing.

    The difference between geniuses who made a bundle in the dot com bubble and the fools who were left holding the bag?

    Timing.

    It's been clear for a long time that sooner or later Microsoft's license based business model is going to be seriously undermined, especially at the low end. It goes without saying that somebody is going to be making money off this development (possibly including Microsoft itself, if it is smart). The problem is nobody knows for certain which it is: sooner or later? There's really only one way to find out: to give it a try.

    The Asus approach is quite interesting; they've tried to define a new niche. This makes is much more likely that they'll have a modest success even if the time is not ripe for the Microsoft model to crumble, while getting a toe over the line if it turns out that the land rush is about to start.
  • by kesuki ( 321456 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @06:06PM (#22669112) Journal
    familiarity may be worth $200 to a lot of people, but is $400 is $600? Linux ran pretty spiffy on my pentium 120 laptop with 48MB(maximum) ram many many years ago, when debian was say still a 1-2 cd install step. even with a nice little 1MB graphic chipset. the whole point is that in the ultra affordable laptop, you HAVE to run Linux, because Microsoft doesn't sell windows 3.11 anymore.

    so let's see you can get a $600 'windows' laptop that has $400 worth of hardware that BARELY runs windows XP acceptably, and you can forget vista compatibility... or you can get a laptop with $150 worth of hardware that runs a specific variant of linux that is streamlined for the 'cheap' system hardware.

    this is why sub $200 laptop projects are so dependent on Linux. If you streamline it and skip the modern Linux bloatware, you can probably make an even cheaper Linux laptop. India is focusing on trying to get a sub $20 piece of hardware that can be used as a 'school' computer, at that price point they're looking at little more than a cell phone, redesigned to run educational software, but that's not like it's missions impossible.

    if you know what feature set you want to implement, it's really much easier to fix linux to work within your constraints, than to try to make everything work in 'windows ce'

    so basically the only competitor to linux on the 'cheap laptop platform' is to make a windows ce device into a laptop... and i have to wonder if the WinCE license lets you run it on a laptop style device at all.

    besides which, windows ce is only available from Microsoft (end users can't buy it) so you can't convert say a super cheap linux laptop into a win ce laptop unless you're the company selling it.

    windows ce is popular for a windows based thin client (pda's aren't as popular as they once were) and some cell phones run CE, and you definitely could run ce on a stripped-down (hardware wise) windows based laptop, but then you loose all the advantages of open source software.

    but realistically if these 'ultra cheap' laptops start coming out in mass quantities, windows CE is the only weapon Microsoft has to try to compete.

  • by bkaul01 ( 619795 ) on Thursday March 06, 2008 @06:22PM (#22669316)
    For rote computer users (people who don't really learn how to do what they're doing, just a number of steps that will produce a desired result), leaving things in the same place but changing the transparency/color is something they can adjust to easily. Moving something to another part of the screen (i.e. top taskbar vs bottom) can, unfortunately, confuse them. It's a minor difference to you or I, but for those who don't understand the function, but only know to click on the button in the lower left corner of the screen, the differences seem larger.

    I've met a few of these people... set up a network with an Active Directory domain at a church about 4 years ago, and the secretary still can't grasp the concept of a user account being the same anywhere on the network, and occasionally sends an e-mail asking for the password for another computer. In this case, she couldn't handle the difference between the Win95/NT/2k style taskbar and the Playskool-looking one in XP, so even apart from issues of taste (avoiding the tacky blue and green), running anything other than the "Classic" look and feel would be too much of an adjustment for her. More typically, the color schemes are something that people seem to be able to handle changes in, so long as the layout is the same. There are millions of these people out there - they're the masses of regular users for whom Microsoft does massive market research towards designing a UI that will work for them as well as the rest of us.

    It's not that they couldn't have learned the Gnome or Nautilus (or MacOS) UIs, but that they've now learned how to do what they need in the Windows Explorer UI by rote and are too intimidated to try anything else. From their perspectives, it's a completely different system to memorize, and there's little (if any) incentive to do so.

  • yeah, right (Score:3, Insightful)

    by someone1234 ( 830754 ) on Friday March 07, 2008 @05:49AM (#22673438)
    M$ office 2007 is soooo familiar to earlier Office versions.
    No, thanks.
    I would rather use OO, not because it is cheaper, but because it is more familiar.

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