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Toshiba To Halt HD-DVD Production 494

Multiple users have written to tell us that Toshiba is planning to halt production of devices related to HD-DVD. According to Japanese broadcasting network NHK, Toshiba will lose "hundreds of millions of dollars" as the format war finally draws to a close. Regardless, investors are pleased that Toshiba has made the decision to cut its losses. This comes after a last-ditch price cut was unable to prevent Wal-mart from throwing their lot in with Blu-ray, although some sources suggest that Wal-mart was already aware of Toshiba's plans to withdraw from fight.
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Toshiba To Halt HD-DVD Production

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 18, 2008 @06:55AM (#22461218)
    "On topic: Sony obviously haven't learned that, since they had BetaMax"

    Which enjoyed better success in professional [wikipedia.org] settings.

    Mini-disc became Mini-HD [wikipedia.org]

    Memory stick is still being used. [wikipedia.org]

  • by reybrujo ( 177253 ) on Monday February 18, 2008 @07:08AM (#22461274) Homepage
    Gaming sites report that Toshiba hasn't given up [gamesindustry.biz] yet. I guess they want to deplete their HD-DVD hardware before killing the format.
  • by grumbel ( 592662 ) <grumbel+slashdot@gmail.com> on Monday February 18, 2008 @07:51AM (#22461536) Homepage
    The Xbox360 doesn't have a HD-DVD drive it has a normal old DVD drive. The HD-DVD is an extra thing that you have to buy and place next to your XBox360, Microsoft will simply release a BluRay extension drive. For games it doesn't matter, since neither is used in games.
  • by ceeam ( 39911 ) on Monday February 18, 2008 @08:21AM (#22461714)
    You mean "Vertical Helix Scan" and "Digital Video Disc"? (and I like these original "decodings" better)
  • by The13thSin ( 1092867 ) on Monday February 18, 2008 @08:29AM (#22461752)

    The current 18 board members (as of January 2008) are: [blu-raydisc.com]

    • Apple Inc.
    • Dell Inc.
    • Hewlett-Packard Company
    • Hitachi, Ltd.
    • LG Electronics
    • Mitsubishi Electric
    • Panasonic (Matsushita Electric)
    • Pioneer Corporation
    • Royal Philips Electronics
    • Samsung Electronics
    • Sharp Corporation
    • Sony Corporation
    • Sun Microsystems
    • TDK Corporation
    • Thomson SA
    • Twentieth Century Fox
    • Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group / Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment
    • Warner Home Video Inc.

    Like the PS2 was one of the biggest DVD players in the beginning, the PS3 will be the biggest Blu-ray player... that is untill in 1 1/2 year a $100 Samsung / LG profile 2.0 Blu-ray comes on the market.

  • by Metorical ( 1241524 ) on Monday February 18, 2008 @09:20AM (#22462030)
    [rant]

    This is not insightful, you've just made up facts, so you're forcing me to finally sign up.

    I visited Samsung back when DVD technology was still in the labs and their guys were very keen to show it off. They all referred to it as a Digital Versatile Disc. Remember at this point you couldn't buy a DVD in the stores and data DVDs became mainstream a long time after videos.

    Also for it to be a backronym then it couldn't have been an acronym beforehand. From dictionary.com:

    backronym jargon
    (Backward acronym) A word which has been turned into an acronym

    or

    n. [portmanteau of back + acronym]
    A word interpreted as an acronym that was not originally so intended.

    [/rant]
  • by Comboman ( 895500 ) on Monday February 18, 2008 @09:35AM (#22462160)
    Which enjoyed better success in professional settings.

    So what? Macs have better success in desktop publishing than PCs, that doesn't change that fact that 90%+ of all computers are PCs.

    Mini-disc became Mini-HD

    And no one but Sony uses either of them.

    Memory stick is still being used.

    by Sony products. Face it, Sony has a poor track record for format introductions. Want some more examples?

    DAT (digital audio tape) [wikipedia.org]

    "Universal" Media Disc (UMD) [wikipedia.org]

    Super Audio CD (SACD) [wikipedia.org]

    ATRAC [engadget.com]

  • by Jon_S ( 15368 ) on Monday February 18, 2008 @09:55AM (#22462328)
    I'm still amazed at how many times I hear, *on the radio* that HD-radio stands for "High Def" radio. Ibiquity [wikipedia.org] has a great scam going there.
  • by Tony Hoyle ( 11698 ) <tmh@nodomain.org> on Monday February 18, 2008 @09:57AM (#22462354) Homepage
    PS3 isn't profile 2.0 yet either.

    Not that it matters. 1.1 is all 99% of people will ever need... who needs online content on your bluray player? It'll all be advertising anyway.

    Maybe in 5-10 years when downloads become popular.. but by then all bluray players will have some kind of 2.0 support and be able to participate in that when it happens.
  • by gabebear ( 251933 ) on Monday February 18, 2008 @10:16AM (#22462552) Homepage Journal
    They are coming [formatwarcentral.com], but I don't think most people won't care. Profile 2.0's only real feature is Internet connectivity, which is kinda neat...

    I'm guessing most Players will be profile 1.1 (or maybe 1.2) except for computers and the PlayStation 3.
  • by Mordaximus ( 566304 ) on Monday February 18, 2008 @10:33AM (#22462726)

    SOny decided to go off on a tangent...

    • and Samsung
    • and Philips
    • and Panasonic
    • and TDK
    • and Sharp
    • and LG

    and so on, and so on... a little research is in order, before throwing on the Sony Troll hat.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 18, 2008 @10:37AM (#22462772)
    sir,

    (wrong item #1) your 25-50 gigs is at mpeg2 not any of the mpeg4 codecs(xvid, divx, wmv, h264), they could be down to 10G (and less) using a newer codec with the same quality/compression ration and have been available for awhile now to dl.

    (wrong item #2) your uncompressed DVD movies 5-10 gigs is not uncompressed, they are also mpeg2. Uncompressed would be about (assuming colour=32bit) 32(bits per colour)x720(hpixels)x480(vpixels)x30(fps, 29.97 really, and sometimes 23.976) so that comes to ~330mbit/second=~41MB/sec
    for a 90min movie that would be about 220 gigs uncompressed and that contains no audio.
    While the colour bits may be off, I still don't think it will bring it down to 5-10gigs from 220.
    For regular DVDs you may be comparing mpeg2 (5-10gigs) with some type of mpeg4 codec (usually 1.4gigs is about the same quality).

  • by Xesdeeni ( 308293 ) on Monday February 18, 2008 @10:42AM (#22462836)
    We tried in the 70's.

    My theory about why it failed is that this was the same time the government decided we needed to slow down on our huge highway system. So 70+ Mph roads were reduced to 55 Mph. About the same time, there was an attempt to introduce the Metric system, requiring cars to have kph on their dials and Speed Limit signs to include it as well. The problem (my theory) is that they chose to equate 55 Mph to 80 Kph. It didn't take a calculator to figure out that 80 Kph is closer to 50 Mph, because it was clearly obvious on your own speedometer! So drivers eschewed the Metric system so they didn't have to slow down even more. If the powers that be had had the greenest of green marketing team, even they would have realized posting 90 Kph (almost 56 Mph) would have garnered more public acceptance.

    But as a result of the attempt, we now live in a perpetual limbo. Gas and milk are sold by the gallon. Cola (soda pop, whatever you call it) is sold by the liter. Everyday life is measured in inches, feet, yards, and miles, while anything scientific is carried out in meters. Dry medicine is measured in milligrams, but our weight in pounds. Sigh...

    Xesdeeni
  • by IGnatius T Foobar ( 4328 ) on Monday February 18, 2008 @11:17AM (#22463188) Homepage Journal

    90%+ of average consumers don't have any clue whatsoever what "VHS" stands for, and couldn't care less.
    And those who do, probably think it stands for "Video Home System" -- a backronym created by a bunch of marketing types.

    An even smaller percentage know that it actually stands for "Vertical Helical Scan," a technical acronym which describes the physical tape format and transport.
  • by RedK ( 112790 ) on Monday February 18, 2008 @11:46AM (#22463526)
    How about these successful standards :

    Compact Disc : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc [wikipedia.org]

    3.5" Floppy : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk#New_3.0-3.5.22_formats [wikipedia.org]

    Betacam : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betacam [wikipedia.org]

    And Mini-disc is very popular in Asia. Just because it failed in your small part of the world doesn't mean it didn't take off somewhere where there's an actual population bassin.

    It's funny how people always bash Sony for even trying to bring new stuff out to market.
  • by RespekMyAthorati ( 798091 ) on Monday February 18, 2008 @01:02PM (#22464614)

    On topic: Sony obviously haven't learned that, since they had BetaMax" Which enjoyed better success in professional settings.

    Not true.

    BetaCam is the dominant professional video format, but is completely different from BetaMax. Sony just likes to put "Beta" in front of its video equipment, since the path of the tape through the machine looks like the Greek letter Beta.
  • by Just Some Guy ( 3352 ) <kirk+slashdot@strauser.com> on Monday February 18, 2008 @01:11PM (#22464718) Homepage Journal

    And those who do, probably think it stands for "Video Home System" -- a backronym created by a bunch of marketing types.

    That's because they're right. VHS has been Video Home System [wikipedia.org] for decades, probably since its consumer launch (and certainly at least soon afterward).

    The engineers might have called it "vertical helical scan", but it wasn't ever widely marketed that way.

  • Great... (Score:2, Informative)

    by EmagGeek ( 574360 ) on Monday February 18, 2008 @03:55PM (#22466770) Journal
    This sucks. I like my HD-DVD player much better than my BluRay player. On the BRD player, it takes anywhere from 5-10 minutes just to power up, open the tray, close the tray with a disc in it, and finally load up and get to the main menu. Then, it's another 5 minutes or so before the movie starts, and that is iff there are no mantatory previews for 3 year old movies on it.

    It takes less than 2 minutes to get to the movie from PowerOff on the HD-DVD player.

  • by Longhair ( 28625 ) on Monday February 18, 2008 @05:42PM (#22467968)
    Blu-ray was the first introduced HD format and would have been the DVD forum's choice too, but Toshiba decided to make it a format war because they didn't have the same licensing revenue coming from Blu-ray that they had from DVD. Microsoft backed Toshiba's plan furiously as it's HDi was ditched in favour of Java as the technology for interactive content on Blu-ray discs.

    So, Toshiba along with Microsoft were the bully and warmonger in this case, not Sony.
  • by rtechie ( 244489 ) on Monday February 18, 2008 @06:44PM (#22468554)

    I visited Samsung back when DVD technology was still in the labs and their guys were very keen to show it off. They all referred to it as a Digital Versatile Disc.
    He's not wrong. The SPEC was originally called "Digital Video Disc" and it was changed to "Digital Versatile Disc" during development. However, the term Digital Video Disc was widely used in promotional materials, particularly by the DVD Forum. So "Digital Video Disc" became semi-official. You can still find new discs labeled Digital Video Disc. I saw this on some DVD-Rs I bought the other day.

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