Suppresed Video of Japanese Reactor Sodium Leak

James Hardine writes "Following an announcement this week that the infamous Japanese Monju fast-breeder nuclear reactor would be re-opened with a new plutonium core, Wikileaks has released suppressed video footage of the disaster that led to its closure in 1995. The video shows men in silver 'space suits' exploring the reactor in which sodium compounds hang from the air ducts like icicles. Unlike conventional reactors, fast-breeder reactors, which 'breed' plutonium, use sodium rather than water as a coolant. This type of coolant creates a potentially hazardous situation as sodium is highly corrosive and reacts violently with both water and air. Government officials at first played down the extent of damage at the reactor and denied the existence of a videotape showing the sodium spill. The deputy general manager, Shigeo Nishimura, 49, jumped to his death the day after a news conference at which he and other officials revealed the extent of the cover-up. His family is currently suing the government at Japan's High Court."

what?

[mofag]

I watched the whole video and I didn't see anything of note. I didn't see the "small mountain of sodium" and I didn't see anyone die. What is it? can anyone explain what I was meant to see please?

Re:radioactive sodium too

[X0563511]

Na-24 has a half-life of only 15 hours.

What does Na-24 decay into, and how dangerous is that? How long does that stick around?

Sodium reactors and the Navy

[Scareduck]

I remember reading about some fracas with some congressman wanting to install sodium-cooled nuclear reactors on submarines and aircraft carriers. Hyman Rickover, who was running the Navy's nuclear-powered fleet at the time, got hauled in front of a congressional panel; he dropped a small chunk of metallic sodium into some water and asked, following the ensuing fire and explosion, whether there were any questions. The Navy commissioned one sub with a sodium-cooled reactor (the U.S.S. Seawolf), but it was the only one.

Re:what?

[Anonymous Coward]

At several points in the video you can see a white substance coating things, especially on the underside. This is probably the sodium, meaning that the stuff escaped, despite assurances that this hadn't happened, contradicting earlier statements by the agency. Consequently, it means that there may have been a corrosive effect to a (much) larger part of the facility, meaning that the plant probably was damaged to a much greater extent than has been made public, but also that the consequences of another incident could be far worse.

Re:Nuclear Power and Global Warming

[c.r.o.c.o]

Have you done any reading on the status of Chernobyl lately?

Since the accident, the natural wild life has returned in full force, and the region's ecosystem is healthier than it has been for centuries. Obviously without an in depth study we cannot be certain of mutation and cancer rates in those animals. But I'll venture a guess that natural selection took its course, and the overall population is healthy, allowing it to adapt and thrive in a mildly radioactive environment.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/33784558.html [nationalgeographic.com]

So there goes your whole argument. Now read up on blue fin tuna that has such large quantities of mercury that even 6 pieces of sushi per week exceeds the safe limit. Read about the Exxon Valdez spill and countless others that directly destroyed entire ecosystems.

At this point nuclear energy is safer than any conventional other energy source. It is also the only economically viable energy source, at least for the time being. People who believe that solar, wind, and other renewable energy sources are the way to go obviously have NO idea how much electricity is consumed in industrial processes. Statements like "this windmill can power thousands of homes" are meaningless, when a single steel foundry consumes that much in a half hour.

Re:Also

[Anonymous Coward]

That's why we have hardware accelerators that make https and other crypto protocols run nicely on modern hardware.

Re:Quite right, and since the dawn of the human ra

[sjames]

It's more of the poor risk analysis. Deaths from coal based pollution and auto accidents happen daily in a series of small dramas affecting a handful of people at a time. When a nuclear accident happens it's all over the news and millions are involved in the same drama at the same time. That skews our risk assessment so that the emotional reaction to the infrequent large event is much greater even though the many small and frequent events kill far more people.

reletive novelty also plays a role. A video of one guy being killed by a bull will get a LOT more airtime than a thousand fatal carcrash videos will.

Jaws scared a great many people out of the ocean. I would guess that many times more people have died on the way to or from the movie than due to shark attack.

Re:Nuclear Power and Global Warming

[khallow]

The retraction of the carbon rods is called meltdown.

No, a meltdown is when the fuel rods and surrounding material starts to melt. Worst case, the fuel completely melts and pools at the bottom of the reactor container, melts through the floor of the reactor container, and keeps going for a while till enough other material, particularly neutron-absorbing material (graphite, bismuth) (which in the worst case for old, poorly designed reactors may be ample portions of bedrock underneath the reactor) has mixed in to bring the fuel density below criticality. There may be additional chemical energy sources (like molten graphite and Earth's atmosphere) to keep the fuel molten. Chernobyl is probably fairly close to the worst case scenario in a situation where a well-organized response to the meltdown occurs. Worst case would probably be a meltdown as part of a larger event that kills off the local authority (eg, large asteroid impact, large suprise nuclear strike) In that case, there are bigger problems, but the meltdown isn't going to help.

Naturally you don't want a meltdown, but if anyone advertises a meltdown-free nuclear power plant, run screaming in the other direction. The alternative is far worse.

There are modern nuclear reactor designs where meltdowns are impossible. For example, pebble bed reactors. The fuel never reaches the density that would generate enough fissions and heat to melt the pebbles. And even if all reactor cooling fails, the pile can be air-cooled.

Re:Sodium reactors and the Navy

[DerekLyons]

I remember reading about some fracas with some congressman wanting to install sodium-cooled nuclear reactors on submarines and aircraft carriers. Hyman Rickover, who was running the Navy's nuclear-powered fleet at the time, got hauled in front of a congressional panel; he dropped a small chunk of metallic sodium into some water and asked, following the ensuing fire and explosion, whether there were any questions.

An urban legend without a shred of truth to it. Rickover in fact was initially in favor of sodium cooled reactors - because, in theory, they would allow plants that were more compact and higher power than water cooled reactors. However, as usually happens, theory and reality failed to jibe. Sodium plants turned out to be heavier, more expensive, more complex, and far more maintenance intensive that water cooled plants.
 
Ever the pragmatic engineer, Rickover chose to stay with what worked and cancelled the sodium reactor program.

Mod parent up!

[Anonymous Coward]

This is so true! I am in japan now and they go bananas every time I want to put soy sauce on my rice. In Sweden, and other parts of europe I guess, we can put soy sauce on the rice. But here in Japan it is not acceptible - sauce on rice is "dog food", very strange.. :) The most funny thing is that when I try to tell them "I like it better this way", they truly do not understand what I mean. It seems food here is not about eating in a way you like but rather eating in a way that the ancients developed thousands of years ago. Weird people.

So mod parent funny or informative! :)

Re:what?

[Scorillo47]

Sodium is not white - it is a silverly soft metal - similar in consistency with frozen butter. It can melt easily, and generates sodium vapors when heated. I didn't see sodium in the picture as it probably was alreayd covered with oxyde.

In fact when heated in air in quantities more than a few grams, sodium will simply burn (with violent flames) generating that white-yellow "smoke" which is a combination of sodium oxyde (Na2O) and sodium peroxyde (Na2O2).

Note that both sodium oxyde and sodium peroxyde are highly reactive, burning in contact with water, generating sodium hydroxide. Sodium peroxide also reacts violently with flammable organic materials that can easily "give" a hydrogen or hydroxil radical, such as alcohols. In this reaction, it generates more sodium hydroxide. Sodium vaports will slowly react with the oxygen in the air, again generating white sodium oxyde.

All these compounds will cause severe burns even if you expose the human skin to less than of gram of this stuff. Concentrated sodium hydroxyde simply melts the skin, nails and bones, and sodium oxyde/peroxyde is even more dangerous. In fact - this is how soap was made for centuries - just boil some fat in concentrated sodium hydroxyde and soon you will have some soap.

It's obvious why these workers have to wear special suits.

More fun stuff about sodium - check out the famous Sodium Party that Theodore Gray had a while back (or wikipedia)

Re:Mod parent up!

[iocat]

It's probably best not to think about the food culture of other countries, it will always seem weird to you, just as your food conventions seem weird to them. So, you prefer water with your plutonium, others prefer sodium. Just try and see what the other people in the contamination suits are doing and follow their lead. In a worst case scenario, pretend you're allergic.

Seriously though, compared to America, Japan really doesn't have a "we do it your way" mentality with food. I once had to endure a twenty minute back and forth between a friend, a translator, a waitress, and (presumably) a cook because my friend tried to order his pizza without squid. Frankly, ordering *anything* without squid in Japan is probably a stretch, but what was worse, was that even after our translator was like "a special order is very difficult to do in Japan," which is polite translator speak for THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN, STUPID AMERICAN, he then spectacularly failed to take the face-saving bait offered by the waitress, "Are you allergic to squid?" and said "no I just don't eat it, I'm vegetarian." Here's a hint: If a Japanese person makes a suggestion like that to you in a service situation, take it!! I don't even know how this scene ended (but I do know the chef's next comment, conveyed by the waitress, was "but vegetarians eat squid"), but I do know it took a long time to finally receive my tasty beef curry, Japan's proudest culinary achievment.

Re:radioactive sodium too

[mpe]

The big issue here is that the government lied to its people and the fact that they lied was covered up. We need more stories like this of governments around the world because it might just put a dent in the (very dangerous) "government is your friend" mentality that is especially prevalant in the USA.

It's possibly more "government is your friend and anyone who thinks otherwise is a nutjob conspiracy theorist(tm)".

Personally I wish the definition of treason were expanded to include "issuing false statements to the people with the intent to deceive when done by any government official" or something to that effect.

This would be "high treason". The idea is that crimes committed by members of government are automatically more serious than those committed by the "plebs". Since these people have more ability to both do harm and hinder any criminal investigation.

This isn't Athens where people were chosen for public office by lottery.

In Classical Athens lotteries would even be used on a day to day basis.

These are people who seek power and have worked very hard to get it. What's wrong with giving them a reason to be cautions with how they use it?

Especially given that people who seek power are often the least suitable to have it.