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Negroponte vs Intel 283

Yogi_Stewart_4 writes "More OLPC/Intel love — apparently Intel used 'underhanded' tactics to try to block sales' contracts of the OLPC, trying to reach the customer directly after an agreement had been reached. "They would go in even after we had signed contracts and try to persuade government officials to scrap their contract and sign a contract with them instead. That's not a partnership." Mr Negroponte cited an example in Peru where Intel sales staff tried to persuade the country's vice-minister of education, Oscar Becerra Tresierra, to buy the Intel Classmate PC."
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  • by JeepFanatic ( 993244 ) on Wednesday January 09, 2008 @10:46AM (#21968270)
    What I want to know is ... is there a hidden 3rd party pushing Intel *cough*Microsoft*cough*? Intel's device is available with Windows XP. I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out that our "friends" in Redmond are responsible for this in order to get their software into the emerging world instead of Linux.
  • by FatSean ( 18753 ) on Wednesday January 09, 2008 @10:54AM (#21968376) Homepage Journal
    My current system is an old AMD dual system, and with the way Intel is acting on the world stage, I'm sticking with AMD for my next system.

  • Intel and MS (Score:5, Interesting)

    by HangingChad ( 677530 ) on Wednesday January 09, 2008 @11:05AM (#21968494) Homepage

    I don't think MSFT is the driver, more of a means to an end for Intel. Their interests are aligned at some level but mainly Intel wants to sell chips. I'm guessing they don't care which OS runs as long as they can keep a finger in the emerging market pie.

    MS and Intel have common goals, but that could change.

    What's more interesting is the callous, self-serving manner Intel is undermining a project trying to help people. It's pathetic. Lacking in even basic decency. You can claim corporations exist only for profit but it hasn't always been that way. It's a fairly recent development that we have have, at least corporately, started to turn into the Ferengi. And there are limits. When you start undermining humanitarian projects in order to protect your market position, you're over that line.

    Maybe Negroponte should just pull off the gloves and make a deal with Wal-Mart and Costco to carry OLPC's. Use the profits to donate machines to developing nations. Or use the profits to cut schools in this country a big discount. If Intel and MS want a war, give them a war.

  • by verin ( 74429 ) on Wednesday January 09, 2008 @11:14AM (#21968624)
    From Intel's website:
            Corporate Mailing Address
            2200 Mission College Blvd.
            Santa Clara, CA 95054-1549
            USA
            (408) 765-8080

    A phone call or a snail mail letter will go a long way toward letting Intel know it crossed the line.

  • Re:Negroponte (Score:2, Interesting)

    by goldspider ( 445116 ) on Wednesday January 09, 2008 @11:22AM (#21968756) Homepage
    So the OLPC project is a religious crusade? Wonderful! And here I thought we were just trying to get educational tools into the hands of children.
  • by _KiTA_ ( 241027 ) on Wednesday January 09, 2008 @11:29AM (#21968870) Homepage
    What I want to know is ... is there a hidden 3rd party pushing Intel *cough*Microsoft*cough*? Intel's device is available with Windows XP. I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out that our "friends" in Redmond are responsible for this in order to get their software into the emerging world instead of Linux.

    I think it's more along the lines that the entire portable industry has ignored the "subnotebook" market that the OLPC project has shown to be extremely viable, and are now trying en mass to jockey for position.

    They supported Negroponte just far enough to basically test the waters, making sure there really WAS a market, then once the "useful idiot" outlived his usefulness, well, out come the daggers.

    That's what innovation means nowadays in the computer industry: Wait for someone else to do something interesting, then steal the idea and market it faster than he/she can. I hope Negroponte's project survives this nonsense.
  • Re:Negroponte (Score:2, Interesting)

    by argiedot ( 1035754 ) on Wednesday January 09, 2008 @12:12PM (#21969520) Homepage

    It's $50 cheaper than the Classmate PC. At $200 for the OLPC laptop that means that you can give five kids laptops for the same amount of money that you could give four kids the Classmate PC. And that's after the fact that the Linux discount saved them $35. Of course, one would assume that all the effort gone into designing an interface for children that encourages them to search and learn has some additional value. So basically the idea is to get more educational value for less price.

    As for the advantages of open source, I'm not sure how long these kids will get to use the laptops, but 13, 14 year olds can do things that I can't think of.

    I personally think that spending the money on books, libraries and teachers would work better. Atleast in my country (India), that is true, and I'm glad they backed off from the OLPC. However, Intel's actions are unconscionable any way. It is obvious their goals are different. Those few hundred thousand who won't get laptops because the price is higher won't matter to them.

  • Re:Negroponte (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Locutus ( 9039 ) on Wednesday January 09, 2008 @12:16PM (#21969592)
    he might also feel that putting a diesel generator right outside the window of the classroom so that the Classmate PC's can have power, just might not be good for the kids. I read in an interview where Intel came in an won a contract over the XO but when they got the laptops in the class, the inconsistent power they had would not allow for a full school day's use of the laptops. Intel brought in a diesel generator to provide constant power.

    Somehow, it just doesn't seem to be a very efficient or effective way to get laptops to these kids. It is also a very good example of how the Classmate PC is not in the same league as the XO in its design goals.

    So maybe Negroponte is on the warpath to keeping diesel fumes away from kids. ;-/

    LoB
  • Re:Negroponte (Score:4, Interesting)

    by markov_chain ( 202465 ) on Wednesday January 09, 2008 @12:39PM (#21969930)
    Mesh network is a software feature, could be provided by OS. E-book mode isn't a significant perk. Battery life is, but it should be able to enter some strong power-saving mode, shouldn't it?

    The problem is that power saving is connected to the first two items. The XO mesh can forward packets while the motherboard is sleeping. Arguably, this can be done if the Classmate adopts the same Marvell radio and firmware. Similarly, e-book mode can also run without the motherboard awake, because the framebuffer is powered independently. I'm not sure if any of the G1G1 people tried it but I think the e-book battery life should be around 24hr.

  • by nweaver ( 113078 ) on Wednesday January 09, 2008 @01:12PM (#21970472) Homepage
    I hardly say I've drunk the OLPC cool-aid. I think it will be a failure, and the current software is a disaster.

    But the hardware design really is vastly better. The hardware on the XO is brilliant. You could make a "big keyboard" version and sell it as is to the military for $2000 a copy, its that rugged.

    Just some of the weaknesses of the Classmate's design in comparison (beyond the 50% higher price tag):

    a: Cooling openings are a weakness and unnecessary in a device which should be passively cooled. (Dust, dirt, and debris is the enemy. Even with the faster processor, a metal slug & fins could have been put into the case. It will get dirty, even in the 1st world. I've had computers die due to dust before.) I think it is actively cooled, which makes the problem worse!

    b: The keyboard is not as ruggedized. (Probably feels a lot better, however.)

    c: The monitor hinge is a weakness (as I said, 1 semi-dead laptop myself).

    d: The screen is no where near as good. (You can really read text on the XO's screen, ranging from full sunlight to full-dark. But an 800x480 LCD? Ick).

    e: No support for mesh networking.

    f: Significantly more power requirements.

    g: Even the lid-closure isn't as robust, compared with the XO's design (which covers all ports but power when closed, yet ups WiFi range when open)

    The OLPC's politics annoy me, the software needs real work (I'd rather run WinNT 3.1 over the current OLPC software), but the hardware really is vastly superior. Intel's hardware is a bad joke in comparison.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 09, 2008 @01:43PM (#21970938)
    Is it OK for Intel to stab partners in the back just because the partner is headed by someone with an ego?

    If so, is it OK if I mug rich old grannies? After all, they're always going on about "kids today don't show their elders respect" showing a huge ego.

    Did Negroponte shag your mum up the arse or something? You've got a hard-on for hating him for some reason...
  • by Skjellifetti ( 561341 ) on Wednesday January 09, 2008 @04:12PM (#21973508) Journal
    I bought one for my seven year old daughter. She loves it and by the end of the 1st day, she was showing me things like keyboard shortcuts that she had discovered. She has now started using the simpler programming tools (turtle and etoys). I'd say that the OLPC folks provided exactly what their target market needed.

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