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Just What is this ASUS Eee Thing Anyway? 401

davidmwilliams writes "ASUS have released a cheap subnotebook. It is far from state-of-the-art tech-wise, with 512Mb RAM and a Celeron processor. It has a 4Gb hard drive and no optical drive. Its screen is 7" and runs at the odd resolution of 800x480 and the operating system looks like something Fisher Price might have designed. Why would you buy it? What on earth can you do with this?" I've been wondering this myself given the huge coverage in the media of this thing.
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Just What is this ASUS Eee Thing Anyway?

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  • Tons of Potential (Score:5, Interesting)

    by eldavojohn ( 898314 ) * <eldavojohn@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Monday December 31, 2007 @10:15AM (#21865138) Journal

    Just What is this ASUS Eee Thing Anyway?

    I've been wondering this myself given the huge coverage in the media of this thing.
    Well, you posted an article [slashdot.org] about the source for it violating the GPL (a fixed shortly thereafter [slashdot.org]). You might have learned something about it then. Or you could do a quick search on your site for it and you'd turn up the first review [slashdot.org] you posted and we discussed.

    Believe it or not, the "huge media coverage" that I've noticed of this thing has only been on Slashdot. Other than that, it's a big name manufacturer, in our world it's huge news.

    It has a 4Gb hard drive and no optical drive. Its screen is 7" and runs at the odd resolution of 800x480 and the operating system looks like something Fisher Price might have designed. Why would you buy it? What on earth can you do with this?
    That's not solid logic when you're speaking to a crowd that busts its ass trying to get Linux running on their microwave. I didn't see the reviewer giving any real specific applications of the laptop. Back in college, I used to work with pioneer robots in my classes. The damned things had a 15 lb. Dell notebook mounted on top of them. Ridiculous. Try hauling the robot and the laptop to a demonstration or presentation.
  • It's great (Score:4, Interesting)

    by MrDoh! ( 71235 ) on Monday December 31, 2007 @10:17AM (#21865162) Homepage Journal
    Spent 40 bucks on a 2gb ram upgrade, chucked on an nLited winXp. Now I've got a little utility machine that's /REALLY/ tiny and cute, and didn't cost the earth.
    Keeping it light, in both weight and bootup times means it's a great companion to my main dev laptop (Dell M something) that takes an age till it's usuable with all the dev tools/sql servers it loads up. It barely takes up anymore room in my laptop bag, so if I need to check something quick, that comes out, boots in 30 seconds and is good to go on a wireless connection rather than dragging out my main machine.
    I love it. Screen is a /bit/ of a pain, and just a smidgeon more screen space would have been great, but it works for what it does.
    Tempted to get a white one for the kitchen area, just to have vids playing whilst at the breakfast bar, music playing whilst cooking, or whatever.
    9.5/10
  • by IANAAC ( 692242 ) on Monday December 31, 2007 @10:19AM (#21865180)
    I can see the allure of a device like this.

    I personally have a PepperPad 3 that I use while travelling. It came down to weight and the apps available (such as OO.org, Thunderbird/Sunbird, etc.).

    I do a lot of travelling and lugging a 6 pound laptop w/accessories through airports sucks. With a fully functional Linux distro on my PP3, I can now use a much smaller messenger bag, and everything, including full-sized external keyboard and mouse, weighs in at less than 3 pounds. And it does everything I need it to while travelling.

  • by CodeShark ( 17400 ) <ellsworthpc@NOspAm.yahoo.com> on Monday December 31, 2007 @10:30AM (#21865274) Homepage
    Is faster than anything I owned in the 1990s with a bit less permanent memory.


    Seems to me I remember the day when a 640K operating system and a 40Meg disk were king, so having 1.5 Gig left over to play with after the OS is loaded --that's like luxury space. Oh, and I can go back and get more permanent memory if I delete some stuff if won't ever use, can add and subtract multiple versions of multi-gigabyte portable (SD) memory, and if I use a USB Wifi stick, I can connect even to the web at pretty good speed?


    What this thing is is portable. Medium powered. Flexible. Ideal for a Linux person like me who would like to have a road warrior unit he can live with -- without the backache.

  • by darjen ( 879890 ) on Monday December 31, 2007 @10:40AM (#21865382)
    That's exactly my problem with it... you have to carry it in a bag/briefcase. As it says in TFA:

    Perhaps it may not suit you as your primary workhorse but there's no denying that the Eee is king of mobility.
    I honestly think that title belongs to the Nokia N810 tablet. After all, you get a screen with the same resolution with a built-in keyboard in a form factor that fits in your pocket. I don't work for Nokia... just a fan of that particular product. Sure, the N810 might have about half the processing power (clocked at 400 mhz compared to the EEE PC's 900 MHz), but if we're just talking about mobility, isn't the EEE is about as mobile as a typical subcompact notebook? Which I admit is pretty mobile... but in the end it still requires a carrying case.
  • Inexpensive Toy (Score:2, Interesting)

    by foxalopex ( 522681 ) on Monday December 31, 2007 @10:42AM (#21865388)
    Funny that you would refer to the interface as Fisher Price looking but the reality is for a lot of techies that buy it is that it is an inexpensive / mod-able toy that may eventually find some good use. After all why risk messing up your high end laptop / desktop unit when you can get a device that is designed to be messed around with and is inexpensive in case you do manage to break it. Just look at the Linksys NSLU2 for example. As a product it's nearly completely useless as a NAS. Load on the modified firmware that lets you run Debian on it thou or OpenSlug and presto, you have a Linux server that has a 4 watt power use profile that's pretty hard to beat for price too.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 31, 2007 @10:54AM (#21865494)
    An attractive feature of the eee is that its bios makes it possible to boot from anything, the internal ssd, an sd card or any storage devices connected to the three USB ports.
    I dont like loose appendices but the SD card slot is very good, I purchased four 16GB Patriot SDHC cards, and installed four different operating systems on each of them. True, I spent more on these cards than on the eee itself, but I have a functionality regular laptops do not have. My favorite is Ubuntu 7.10 with lots of physics and biology apps (5.4GB used for installation). I also hacked a Win XP disk and managed to put XP on another SD card, but it is slower than linux. The interesting part is that I do not use the internal SSD for booting anything, just for storage.I HATE Xandros, the first thing I did was to erase it.
  • by TheCycoONE ( 913189 ) on Monday December 31, 2007 @11:00AM (#21865540)

    Sure, it's not state-of-the-art - but when it comes to laptops you have three competing demands - fast, cheap, powerful - but you only get to choose two
    I think the author confused laptops with some technology where fast and powerful weren't the same thing - like tractors. Personally I thought weight, battery life, speed, disk space, price, screen real estate, and durability were the competing factors in laptop design. This laptop chose weight, speed, and price over the others.
  • Aaaaargh (Score:2, Interesting)

    by exKingZog ( 847868 ) on Monday December 31, 2007 @11:02AM (#21865556) Homepage
    My boss plonked TWO of these bloody things on my desk just before Christmas, with a look of beaming pride on her face - one of them came in pink, y'see.

    "Look! It comes in pink! It's so SMALL and CUTE! Aren't they cool? Are they any good? I bought two of them..."

    She's now pestering me to buy one for every mobile user because their (dual-core, 2 GB, 7200 RPM, DVD-R, 1600x1280 Latitude D830) laptops are "too heavy". Except she doesn't like the operating system and wants XP on them all. I'm now in the process of tactfully telling her that this is not going to happen... it'd be worse than the f***ing Blackberries they keep buying and expecting us to fix.
  • by (H)elix1 ( 231155 ) * <slashdot.helix@nOSPaM.gmail.com> on Monday December 31, 2007 @11:16AM (#21865730) Homepage Journal
    ftfa: "It's endless world of hardware modifications that smart people worldwide have embraced" Um.. what the hell is that supposed to mean?

    Translation: Cheap fun for people who are willing to work with a soldering iron. There is not much room inside, but folks are already modding the laptop to add more 'disk' in the form of hand made USB adapters to SD cards internally! The laptop is small, but the mainboard is not so miniaturized that one can't measure/modify the circuits. As a bonus - it cost so little (for this sort of hardware) - it is worth risking letting the magic out.
  • by jkrise ( 535370 ) on Monday December 31, 2007 @11:25AM (#21865854) Journal
    At a hospital I consult with; the IT penetration is surprisingly very poor among doctors. The hospital typically receives 600 patients a day; of which about 275 are diabetics - who require repeated visits over years. There are about 150 in-patients who typically stay for 4.5 days before discharge.

    IT usage is about 60% for the in-patients; but less than 12% for out-patients. The problem? Doctors are fed up with using PCs - Windows or Linux. Some of their biggest complaints:

    1. Long boot time; Linux is only slightly better here; and Vista is downright pathetic and consequently been banned. The EEE PC boots up in less than 20 seconds and the GUI is immediately functional. No need for any useless login, active desktop, active directory etc.

    2. Ultra portable - so the doctor can carry it to the wards and rooms; and dictate into it when necessary. Very cumbersome with laptops; tablets are better; but very expensive compared to the EEE (1:8).

    3. Wakes up from suspend in less than 2 seconds - unparalleled.

    4. The interface is very user friendly and makes sense without training - unlike Windows.

    Surprisingly, this is still not widely avbl in India. Ingram Micro is getting it in the 3rd week of Jan. as I hear. We are ordering about 120 units for our doctors; who are genuinely thrilled with a computer for the first time in their lives.

    ****

    A second appln. is for an e-governance system whereby citizens apply for assistance - there are about a dozen welfare schems like for handicapped, destitutes, old age pension, widow pension etc. The EEE PC is much more functional than a laptop and can be easily carried to the villages by trained self-help-group women assistants. The e-governance appln. is a web-enabled semi-offline-capable system; so even if there is no broadband; the locally installed LAMP appln. gives a very similar look-and-feel; once in a few days it gets synced with the main server.

    Being about 25% of the price and weight of a laptop makes the EEE PC very handy for both these situations.
  • by afedaken ( 263115 ) on Monday December 31, 2007 @11:31AM (#21865934) Homepage
    I've done an N810, and a EEE. The EEE wins for me hands down. Larger screen, and keyboard instead of a thumb board. I'll take a thumb board over T9 predictive entry, but I'll take a touch type-able keyboard (even one as cramped as the EEE's) over a thumb board any day.

    I can text message with my phone (ATT Tilt), but the EEE makes slashdot doable, and the web in general a lot more pleasant than it was on the 810.
  • by CongealedSalad ( 1001838 ) on Monday December 31, 2007 @12:40PM (#21866764)
    I'm waiting for the Pandora! http://pandora.bluwiki.com/ [bluwiki.com]
  • by jkrise ( 535370 ) on Monday December 31, 2007 @12:45PM (#21866826) Journal
    How do you authenticate users then? Or is security unnecessary at your hospital?

    The new HMIS appln. is completely web enabled and built on Ruby on Rails. Users login through the browser before they can access the data.... but doctors prefer to even skip that and want to get direct access to their web apps after launching the browser.

    So now, instead of cookies we're trying to get the mac address of the connected PC to determine which doctor is trying to access the appln; and then directly serve the page. Of course, we ensure that the IP address belongs to the hospital LAN before doing so.

  • by tomz16 ( 992375 ) on Monday December 31, 2007 @12:50PM (#21866870)
    Agree on everything except the battery. My x40 gets about 6 hours on the extended battery. I paid $400 for the laptop on e-bay a year ago, and it really outspecs the $400 4GB eee. Faster cpu, bluetooth, larger screen, 10x the storage, double the ram, and is built like a tank. Best of all, as one of the smallest ultraportables, it's only a teeny bit larger/heavier than the eee.
  • Re:Tons of Potential (Score:4, Interesting)

    by ozmanjusri ( 601766 ) <aussie_bob@hotmail . c om> on Monday December 31, 2007 @01:35PM (#21867446) Journal
    Frankly, it is a geek toy.

    Or a useful tool.

    We've just put 20 of them out in the field with a custom app for some of our data collectors. They're doing a fine job at a fraction of the price of a UMPC.

  • by LizardKing ( 5245 ) on Monday December 31, 2007 @01:49PM (#21867642)

    I've got a Zaurus - the C3200 model - and an Asus Eee. The Zaurus is way better than any phone or PDA that I've used, as it really was the miniature laptop that a lot of people were looking for. However, compared to the Eee it's not so hot. The keyboard is really difficult to use, and the lack of power from the USB port means you need a powered hub to use an external keyboard. The available Linux distros for the Zaurus have small developer teams and are very unstable - they generally turn my machine into a brick whenever I try to configure wireless networking or perform an update. The Eee on the other hand has a usable keyboard, Pentium processor and conventional BIOS. This means a plain x86 Linux distro or BSD will install and run on the machine with no difficulty. The Xandros based distro that the Eee comes with is very nice when you actually use it rather than just criticising it based on the desktop theme as some people have done, and it's easy to strip the machine down if you want to (my Eee now runs NetBSD for example).

  • by DECS ( 891519 ) on Monday December 31, 2007 @06:17PM (#21870400) Homepage Journal
    In true Microsoft fashion, the company "announced" Windows 1.0 in 1983, but couldn't sell it until 1985. In part, that was because they couldn't get it to work, but the other problem was that it was a derivative copy of Apple's Mac system, which had been in development since 1980, and therefore was held up until Microsoft could force Apple into licensing it the Mac OS UI in 1985.

    As for the Apple 'bought' the OS from Xerox idea, consider: Apple's 1983 Lisa was a huge leap past anything delivered by Xerox and was about half the price of the Star machines Xerox half-assedly tried to sell in the early 80s. The Mac was another big leap over the Lisa in UI, although it greatly simplified the sophistication of the underlying OS in order to deliver an environment that could run on consumer-priced hardware in 1984. Apple clearly led UI development through the mid 80s, and nothing was even close. This was because it had invested + $60 million into UI and OS development.

    On the cheap, Microsoft tried to offer a clone of the Mac environment running on far inferior IBM PC hardware - which had only ever been designed to run text-based DOS. Apple delivered highly customized hardware designed expressly to run a graphical environment. Even if Apple and Microsoft both had equal resources, getting a Mac-like GUI to run on a PC would have been impossibly more difficult. Apple was making money selling hardware, while giving away its software. Microsoft was only making money on software, so cutting corners and shipping an unfinished product was in Microsoft's best interests.

    The market wasn't sophisticated enough to understand the difference between a custom OS running on purpose-built hardware and a kluge running on DOS running on crap PC hardware of the day. The tech press only reported that both had a pointer, mouse, and icons.

    1985's Windows 1.0 wasn't sold until after John Sculley licensed Apple's technology to Microsoft (in exchange for 2 years of Excel on the Mac). That turned out to be a bad deal. The idea that Apple fell from the lead because it "didn't license its OS" is a bit of a mistake, because Apple did license it, it just did it in a really stupid fashion that lost control of its own technology.

    Windows wasn't EVER pre-installed on a PC until 3.x arrived in 1990, SIX YEARS after the Mac arrived. PC hardware makers were all upset that they couldn't compete against Apple's Macs by selling dumb DOS PCs, so they pushed Microsoft to give them a rip off copy that could make their shoddy hardware look as good. Apple didn't market its machines, didn't retail them properly, and therefore couldn't handle the balloon of PC clones that appeared running a fake copy.

    Still, nobody EVER claimed that Windows was even close to the Mac until the end of 1995, MORE than a FULL DECADE after the Mac arrived. Other companies actually delivered credible competition: Amiga shipped interesting hardware acceleration technology and OS improvements, but Jobs' NeXT really blew past the Mac back in 1988, YEARS before anyone really began using Windows.

    NeXT's OS was far ahead of the Mac, and layered on additional sophistication in the UI. THREEE YEARS LATER, Microsoft announced it was going to deliver Cairo and match all the features in NeXTSTEP. Never did. Ended up pooping out a revision of Windows 3.x that copied lots of ideas from NeXT's UI FOUR YEARS LATER. It also delivered a "server/workstation" OS that was largely unusable throughout the 90s. I know, I was an NT admin through 2001. NT was famous for needing a reboot every few weeks to prevent a lockup. It was crap for SEVEN YEARS. These are LONG PERIODS OF TIME.

    After owning the market with shitty products for well over a decade, Microsoft used its fabulous wealth to half-assedly squirt out minor updates to DOS/Windows and then released a usable version of NT in 2000, and a consumer version in 2001 with XP. SEVEN YEARS LATER they polished that but the market doesn't give a shit.

    The state of the art is now being delivered by the same comp
  • Re:Tons of Potential (Score:2, Interesting)

    by slyn ( 1111419 ) <ozzietheowl@gmail.com> on Monday December 31, 2007 @06:34PM (#21870538)
    Not to mention as a geek toy it sold 350,000 [eeeuser.com] units, including one to my house as a christmas gift to my dad. He loves it, and so does my sister, both of whom are far from what I would even remotely consider geeks.

Ya'll hear about the geometer who went to the beach to catch some rays and became a tangent ?

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