sufijazz writes "Scientists have gotten tiny robots to not only integrate into cockroach society but also control it. 'This experiment in bug peer pressure combined entomology, robotics and the study of ways that complex and even intelligent patterns can arise from simple behavior. Animal behavior research shows that swarms working together can prosper where individuals might fail, and robotics researchers have been experimenting with simple robots that, together, act a little like a swarm.' The BBC also has a video story on this."
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday November 16 2007, @08:39PM (#21386251)
I resent that you characterize our society as "cockroach". Geez, just because the robots were able to assimilate and blend in --I mean, it really did look exactly like Cindy Margolis [wikipedia.org]-- how were we supposed to know that she was a robot!
And besides, the article says... actually, I haven't read the article yet... hang on, let me read this... oh, umm...
I am not going to go to the obligatory "robotic overlords" reference, except to note that in human society, a determined and united groups of individuals have caused masses of people to perform actions that contradict their instincts, common sense, or any boundaries and taboos set by their parent societies.
One conclusion one can draw from this study, coupled with historical precedent in human societies, is that animals come evolutionary pre-programmed to join groups and be subjugated by the rules of said groups, despite better (or alternate) judgment.
"...is that animals come evolutionary pre-programmed to join groups"
Depends on the animal. In social animals, yes. In others (e.g. tigers, bears, moose, spiders), communication will be restricted to mating rituals and that sort of thing. Those methods of communication can of course be mimicked and often are by other species (or sub-species) for their own gain. e.g. orchids and insect mating behavior, moths with "eyes" on their wings etc.
That when the humans and the robots destroy each other in a nuclear war, it will be up to the cockroaches to continue the battle against the robot cockroaches?
If you remember the pied piper story, it ended with the piper leading all the children of the town away to the mountain, where it closed after them. If it can be done with pests, are you saying we should think about the possibility it can be done with children too?
Yes, that's what the research showed.. the cockroaches will follow the robots 60% of the time. RTFA.
More interesting, I thought, was that the researchers seemed pissed off when the journalists asked the kind of "how would you apply this?" questions that you just asked.
Cockroach A: "I have this theory. About our new leader."
Cockroach B: "This had better not be another one of your retarded colony conspiracies."
Cockroach A: "Well... I don't think he's cockroach. In fact, I have reason to believe he's a robot. Put here by highly intelligent beings for some bizarre purpose... Maybe to lead us all to destruction. Maybe as a test. I don't know. But have you seen him? I mean, with your own compound eyes?"
...does this mean that the robots have passed the Turing test [wikipedia.org] for cockroaches? I guess probably not yet, but if we can create robots that can act like the real thing - well that's pretty much the definition of it isn't it?
Mentioning robots evokes AI, but the key is that those carts are doused with cockroach sex hormones.
Show me a girl with a miniskirt and over knee stockings and I'll follow her not 60% but 100% of the times.
Lower your exoskeletons and surrender your motels. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
I don't see how the experiment described in the NYT story demonstrated anything other than cockroaches prefer dark places that smell like sex. The robots are "doused" with sex hormones. The way the experiment is presented presupposes that the hormones function to identify the robots as cockroaches to the other roaches. The conclusions drawn in the article present the behavior of the roaches in going where the robots are as imitation of peer behavior. The action of the robots is described as leading the
The fact that they used sex hormones makes the results skewed at best. Give me the sex hormone used and the percentage of opposites that followed. Better yet, don't use sex hormones at all, just cockroach body odor and see what happens.
"We need to push this to it's limit. Like mammals for example."
I worked on a dairy farm for a while that had ~100 cows. At milking time the farmer would swing open the gate and walk off into the milking shed, seeing the open gate the (old) dog would trot out and round up the cows by itself. Often there wasn't much for it to do other than stroll along behind the herd because the cows also knew the drill. Not sure how the cows knew what time it was since none of them were wearing watches but they would oft
"Not sure how the cows knew what time it was since none of them were wearing watches but they would often gather near the gate just before 3:00 in the afternoon and wait patiently for it to be opened."
That's easy -- their udders are full. Kind of like how you know it's time to go to the bathroom. (I've had the dog's job in a milking operation.)
They just rounded the cockroaches up, like working dogs round up sheep, just like my radio control car rounds up my dog. We just need to build a big robot to run around hearding whatever we want. If they resist, we can create robots that push and shove.... PAK CHOOIE UNF.
Hey, thanks for the link. I am becoming more and more interested in swarm intelligence, and am thinking of doing my master's project in this field. I found your link extremely interesting, and a good place to start (aside from Kennedy and Eberhart's Swarm Intelligence http://www.swarmintelligence.org/SIBook/SI.php [swarmintelligence.org]).
Wait, so... (Score:5, Funny)
-jcr
My experience (Score:2, Funny)
Hey!! We are *NOT* a cockroach society! (Score:3, Funny)
And besides, the article says
Er, never mind.
No, not overlords (Score:5, Interesting)
One conclusion one can draw from this study, coupled with historical precedent in human societies, is that animals come evolutionary pre-programmed to join groups and be subjugated by the rules of said groups, despite better (or alternate) judgment.
Re:No, not overlords (Score:5, Interesting)
Depends on the animal. In social animals, yes. In others (e.g. tigers, bears, moose, spiders), communication will be restricted to mating rituals and that sort of thing. Those methods of communication can of course be mimicked and often are by other species (or sub-species) for their own gain. e.g. orchids and insect mating behavior, moths with "eyes" on their wings etc.
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Good! I'm sick of that meme.
I, for one, welcome our new non-obligatory overlord referencing overlords.
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Nearly perfect (Score:2)
There, fixed that for you.
So does that mean (Score:5, Funny)
Pied Piper anyone? (Score:5, Insightful)
I wonder, if robots can actually control swarms, could we perhaps make them lead the swarms not to world domination, but to some sort of... mishap?
There's gotta be some way to get rid of them.
That is certainly a dark thought (Score:2)
Re:Pied Piper anyone? (Score:5, Interesting)
More interesting, I thought, was that the researchers seemed pissed off when the journalists asked the kind of "how would you apply this?" questions that you just asked.
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Overheard underneath the stove (Score:5, Funny)
Cockroach A: "I have this theory. About our new leader."
Cockroach B: "This had better not be another one of your retarded colony conspiracies."
Cockroach A: "Well... I don't think he's cockroach. In fact, I have reason to believe he's a robot. Put here by highly intelligent beings for some bizarre purpose... Maybe to lead us all to destruction. Maybe as a test. I don't know. But have you seen him? I mean, with your own compound eyes?"
Cockroach B: "..."
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Is Bush really a human?
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Damn! Where are my mod points when I need them?
There, someone gave you one, I only hope it was an Offtopic mod point you required ;-)
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We're not interested in people. (Score:5, Funny)
but can't you see the tiny robots? (Score:3, Funny)
Usefull application: controlling locust swarm (Score:2)
Cocked Roaches and Buggery!? (Score:4, Funny)
Sounds kinda... insectstuous....
Watch out for mating season. This is the REAL widow-maker. Exoskeleton-crushing sex....from a real sex-bot... I wonder how endowed this bugger is...
Bender did that kind of thing too... or will do (Score:2, Funny)
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He also did that with space bees, sort of. Bzz bzz bzzzt. Bender is great. Deal with it.
Fire up the antennae... (Score:2)
You... will... be... ass-immolate...
So... (Score:4, Insightful)
I for one (Score:2)
Can you think of an easier way to get all the roaches into a Roach Motel?
Pest control (Score:2)
Big headline simple bottomline (Score:5, Funny)
Show me a girl with a miniskirt and over knee stockings and I'll follow her not 60% but 100% of the times.
I Am Cockroach of Borg... (Score:4, Funny)
Do they have salami in Brussels? (Score:2, Insightful)
Skewed (Score:2)
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(hmm...as close to safely call somebody "cock" on
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Squishing roaches (Score:4, Funny)
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"I, for one, welcome our new insect minions"?
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I worked on a dairy farm for a while that had ~100 cows. At milking time the farmer would swing open the gate and walk off into the milking shed, seeing the open gate the (old) dog would trot out and round up the cows by itself. Often there wasn't much for it to do other than stroll along behind the herd because the cows also knew the drill. Not sure how the cows knew what time it was since none of them were wearing watches but they would oft
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That's easy -- their udders are full. Kind of like how you know it's time to go to the bathroom. (I've had the dog's job in a milking operation.)
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I was hired to spend a month or so hacking down thistles[sic] in the pasture, I was at least two promotions away from the dog's job.
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Hey, thanks for the link. I am becoming more and more interested in swarm intelligence, and am thinking of doing my master's project in this field. I found your link extremely interesting, and a good place to start (aside from Kennedy and Eberhart's Swarm Intelligence http://www.swarmintelligence.org/SIBook/SI.php [swarmintelligence.org]).