Ubuntu May Be Killing Your Laptop's Hard Drive 419
wwrmn writes "There's a debate going on over at bugs.launchpad.net on whether it's the Ubuntu, BIOS, hard-drive manufacturer, or pick-any-player's fault, but Ubuntu (and perhaps any OS) may be dramatically shortening the life of your laptop's hard drive due to an aggressive power-saving feature / acpi bug / OS configuration. Regardless of where the fault lies or how it's fixed, you might want to take some actions now to try to prevent the damage."
So what's new? (Score:1, Interesting)
Effects on Dell/Ubuntu OEM? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:AHA! :D (Score:3, Interesting)
Well, after buying Vista (was only +/- 18 euros since I work for an educational institution) I got a reboot too, after a nice blue screen. Best part about Vista for me is, it shows the info from the blue screen next time you boot up. I googled the error, did a little digging and it turns out 1 bios setting was wonky.
The one that clocks the cpu back if it thinks you don't need performance.
After turning that off, I never had the problem to this day.
So in all honesty, Vista works fine for me (I know it doesn't for others) and it was dirt cheap to boot
Re:Selected Excerpts (Score:5, Interesting)
Add "-o noatime" to the filesystems in
Maybe this explains (Score:2, Interesting)
Saving Power Has a Cost (Score:4, Interesting)
What, you're in too much of a hurry to view the latest pr0n? Chill, dude, before you go blind!
If you run a desktop, it's doubtful you'll have a problem with this, as most desktop users turn power saving features off entirely (and yeah, I also drive a big honkin' SUV. Bite me), but be careful on a laptop. If your hard drive supports SMART, you can do a quick check of the numbers (I think the one you want is # 193, IIRC), and see if you're at risk. But not all drives support SMART (I have a laptop drive that doesn't), so as usual, YMMV.
So Ubuntu can ruin hardware? (Score:3, Interesting)
That said, they could probably still support their warrenty on things they know won't be affected by operating systems, like the hinge of the laptops screen.
Boojum the brown bunny
Re:The Ubuntu (Score:5, Interesting)
Same thing on Slackware 11 (Score:2, Interesting)
smartctl -d ata -a
Currently the count is up to 1195740! So either I have the most durable drive ever created or this thing is going to explode soon. Does anybody have any suggestions on this? I don't know much about acpi.
Re:The Ubuntu (Score:4, Interesting)
It seems like most of the things that are desirable for a server that are merely OK on a desktop are probably really bad for laptops and there's optimizations to be made.
And I'm not just thinking of Linux here. When I use a Windows laptop, I notice the hard disk spinning up on a fairly regular basis, even when I'm doing something fairly lame like web browsing or word processing. And you know that pretty much nobody thinks about it without being prodded....
But with Linux, you could make "Lapbuntu" that would contain a set of apps that were modified to aggressively avoid using the disk unless it's already spun up by patching existing software.
Re:Selected Excerpts (Score:3, Interesting)
At that rate, it will take you 8571.4 hours to hit that limit. For an evening user like me, even at 4 hours a day every day that's 2142.9 days, or 5.87 years. I'm used to Maxtors dying after 3 or so years, and my Seagates are usually obsolete (or dropped) in that amount of time, and that's on a desktop. I'm assuming not many laptops survive 6 years at all, or at least are used regularly that long.
Even a road warrior using it 60 hours a week would take 2.6 years, and it hasn't been my experience that laptops survive long with that kind of use.
PS: this article really should have been called "Ubuntu considered harmful"
Re:Thanks for slashdotting launchpad, guys. (Score:3, Interesting)
Ubuntu FOUND the problem (Score:5, Interesting)
So, it comes down to: Ubuntu users were able to diagnose the problem, and have the tools to implement a workaround. Nix to either for Windows users -- they just need to remember to replace their drive once a year.
Re:Old news??? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:My experience (Score:2, Interesting)
Windows (2000 professional), normally around one load/unload cycle every 3 minutes or so. Sometimes it seems to go to sleep completly and does not load/unload for a long time until I resume use.
The Windows behavior is more or less reasonable and will extend my HDD life at least for a few more years. Ubuntu's behavior is a killer and I cannot tolerate it.
I have the feeling, but cannot confirm, that the problem with ubuntu is not excesive parking per se but that it unparks the head almost imediatly after parking like if something in the OS was accesing the HDD inmediatly after parking (my HDD was mounted -noatime so atime was not the culprit)
Re:no problem, really! (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:The Ubuntu (Score:3, Interesting)