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DDR3 Isn't Worth The Money - Yet 120

An anonymous reader writes "With Intel's motherboard chipsets supporting both DDR2 and DDR3 memory, the question now is whether DDR3 is worth all that extra cash. Trustedreviews has a lengthy article on the topic, and it looks like (for the moment) the answer is no: 'Not to be too gloomy about this, but the bottom line is that it can only be advised to steer clear of DDR3 at present, as in terms of performance, which is what it's all about, it's a waste of money. Even fast DDR2 is, as we have demonstrated clearly, only worthwhile if you are actually overclocking, as it enables you to raise the front-side bus, without your memory causing a bottleneck. DDR3 will of course come into its own as speeds increase still further, enabling even higher front-side bus speeds to be achieved. For now though, DDR2 does its job, just fine.'"
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DDR3 Isn't Worth The Money - Yet

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  • by downix ( 84795 ) on Friday September 14, 2007 @09:58AM (#20602587) Homepage
    Every time I see "the need isn't there" or "there's more than enough memory bandwidth" I check their figures, they're only measuring the CPU memory needs. Well, hate to break it to you, but there's more to a computer than just the CPU. Having that extra bandwidth means that those lovely PCI Bus Mastering devices (such as my SCSI 3 controller, and quad firewire card) aren't fighting with the CPU for memory access. Frankly, add in a game accelerator like the Phys-X and a high-end GPU fetching data from the main memory for local cache, and even DDR3 starts looking a bit narrow....
  • by A Friendly Troll ( 1017492 ) on Friday September 14, 2007 @10:11AM (#20602775)
    Intel's C2Ds love their memory bandwidth. Even the extreme low end, such as the E4xxx, can profit from something like DDR2-800 and an asynchronous 1:2 FSB:RAM. The E6xxx with their 266 MHz FSB can run at 2:3 with DDR2-800 and perform better than with 1:1 and slightly lower latencies.

    Besides, the price difference between DDR2-533 and DDR2-800 is really small. You might as well go for it, if only for futureproofing your system.
  • by Zephiris ( 788562 ) on Friday September 14, 2007 @10:32AM (#20602999)
    Part of the reason that DDR2 was so much slower at most clockspeeds is because of the added latency. The lower speed DDR2 can have more than twice the tested latency of DDR400. The problem is that apparently both JEDIC, or whoever standardizes memory now, isn't thinking of what is the best direction for DDR to take. They're going in the same direction as the manufacturers, trying to sell higher "Megahertz" and "gigabytes per second" ratings, even when they're effectively meaningless now.

    Does it exactly matter if your computer can do 6GB/s, or 12GB/s? 14GB/s? Where does it stop? And even then, that's mostly theorhetical, particularly in the case of DDR2. But a very important distinction is that so many memory accesses are of very small to small size. On basically all of those accesses, the memory request will be served in far less time than the latency will allow the command to return and allow another request.

    Way back when, Intel motherboards tried out RDRAM for its 'higher end' boards, and the Nintendo 64 also started using it. Both were fairly large fiascos, in that sense, with more or less all technical reviews noting that the increased latency more than cancelled out the improved bandwidth. Now we're looking at DDR3, with far higher latencies than classic RDRAM for a relatively minor bandwidth improvement that only extremely large memory requests (such as applications that would theorhetically be done in an extremely large-scaled database and scientific research).

    It reminds me acutely of the early 'Pentium 4s'. A 600Mhz Pentium 3 could beat up to a 1.7Ghz Pentium 4 in most applications and benchmarks, and the (rare and expensive) 1.4Ghz Pentium 3s were real monsters. But people kept trying to tailor benchmarks to hide that, so people would buy more product.

    Overclocking has also generally demonstrated that overclocking regular 'old' DDR1, while a bit pricier (mostly due to the virtual elimination of production nowadays, though), scales better and also has far better numbers than DDR2 and the like. DDR600 equivalent is extraordinarily zippy, and (of course) real-world latency is also absurdly low.

    It makes me feel like the 'governing bodies' here have really let people down. Instead of trying to standardize on and promote what's best for general computing, they're trying to push a greater volume of merchandise that has no meaningful improvement, and in fact usually a notable decline, over what we've already had for years. The bottom line for them is money, and that's just wrong to put their own pocketbooks over the long term well-being of computing technology and the needs of the consumer.
  • Re:4X4 (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ZachPruckowski ( 918562 ) <zachary.pruckowski@gmail.com> on Friday September 14, 2007 @10:51AM (#20603213)
    On a dual-processor Intel machine, you have to move to FB-DIMMs. I'm not sure if there are currently DDR3 FB-DIMMs, but I don't think so. If there were DDR3 FB-DIMMs, they'd also be quad-channel.

    On a dual-processor AMD machine, you have NUMA (non-uniform memory architecture), so each each processor (processor, not core) has its own set of memory and its own bus, meaning you have 2 dual-channel busses.
  • Re:same old story (Score:3, Interesting)

    by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Friday September 14, 2007 @10:58AM (#20603271) Journal
    Intel, when they are prototyping a new CPU, run it in a simulator. This simulates an entire computer, and is very tweakable. A few years ago, they did an experiment; they made every CPU operation take no simulated time. Effectively, this meant that the CPU was infinitely fast. In their standard benchmark suite, they showed a 2-5x performance improvement overall. After doing this, however, increasing the speed of RAM and the disk gave significant improvements.

    A given generation of RAM may only make your current system 10% faster, but using the current generation in next years system is likely to stop it reaching anything like its full potential.

  • by InvisblePinkUnicorn ( 1126837 ) on Friday September 14, 2007 @11:13AM (#20603423)
    I'm looking for a motherboard that has DDR2 and DDR3 slots, but also a firewire port (and eSATA would be a plus), necessary for video editing. Any takers? I could only find one by Gigabyte on newegg but the reviews are mixed.
  • Question (Score:3, Interesting)

    by rehtonAesoohC ( 954490 ) on Friday September 14, 2007 @11:21AM (#20603555) Journal
    The real question I have is whether or not DDR2 is worth upgrading over DDR1. I have 2 gigabytes of DDR RAM in my computer, and I recently started thinking that upgrading might be a good idea. But would I notice a performance increase by upgrading to DDR2? I don't want to spend $150 on a new motherboard and RAM only to get a marginal speed boost.

    Does anyone have any insight?

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