Does 802.11n Spell the 'End of Ethernet'? 404
alphadogg writes "Is the advent of the 802.11n wireless standard the 'end of Ethernet'... at least in terms of client access to the LAN? That's the provocative title, and thesis, of a new report in which the author began looking into the question when he heard a growing number of clients asking whether it was time to discontinue wired LAN deployments for connecting clients. Would 11n, the next generation high-throughput Wi-Fi, make the RJ45 connector in the office wall as obsolete as gaslights?"
wait (Score:5, Insightful)
and what do we have now? both systems coexisting with each other
same gonna happen again
Re:Um, no. (Score:5, Insightful)
No (Score:5, Insightful)
And I don't know what you're talking about, I still use gaslights.
Shared medium. (Score:5, Insightful)
--saint
Re:Um, no. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Um, no. (Score:5, Insightful)
SECURITY.
Yes, of course (Score:5, Insightful)
What do they teach them in schools these days?
Re:Um, no. (Score:5, Insightful)
Right. There are too many reasons to use ethernet, and security is just one of them. Ethernet is also more reliable, and it's still faster. 802.11n is not running as fast as 1Gbps (which is what both my home and work network are running at). Give it a couple years, and we'll probably all be running 10Gbps networks, and though wireless speeds will improve too, I see no reason to believe that they'll ever catch up. Also, wired connections are more reliable, easier to control, etc.
Now, I don't see much reason to string ethernet through people's homes, at least not most of the time. Use WPA, secure each of your computers (password protect them and firewall any services you aren't using, preferably don't use Windows). You'll be fine, and 802.11n is probably way faster than any internet connection you might have.
Reasons not to change. (Score:4, Insightful)
The issues are as follows.
Security: There is little or none. All of your transactions are flying through the air and anyone with the proper equipment (which can be obtained at the local electronics store for very little money) can intercept those packets. Even if you bother to use encryption all that has to be done is some processing to "crack" the encryption. Without breaking into my house/office and tying into my physical copper network there is no way to intercept packets on a copper network.
Stability: I cant speak for 802.11n as of yet. My AP has never been rebooted and my clients stay conected. However my prior 802.11x products were somewhat less stable.
Speed: 802.11x is a bus topology much like a hub. True they are running a great deal of bandwidth now. For few users this is great however what happens when you have 20 users on the same access point sharing the same bandwidth.
I do however see uses in business for this. I don't think at this time it is the end all replacement for the simple switch and the complicated wiring closet yet.
Re:Um, no. (Score:5, Insightful)
And how about open drivers. (Score:3, Insightful)
It's a well known fact that UWB and other existing techniques can push wireless bandwitdth far past what 802.11n offers, but they're not "ready" for the consumer market. The game is to incrementally push the consumer market into a series of screwed up proprietary drivers to push out open standards and ensure that only "enthusiasts" use open source.
Ubiquity (Score:3, Insightful)
As long as it's a peripherial, I don't care how cheap or easy to install, it'll never replace what's already there, ie. the Ethernet port. For more reference, see USB vs. Firewire.
Don't forget denial-of-service (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Um, no. (Score:5, Insightful)
As a physicist... (Score:2, Insightful)
O did i forget? eqi-cost can also be translated to "cheaper modules" at the same rate.
Shared bandwidth (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Um, no. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Um, no. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:No (Score:3, Insightful)
Just like BNC
Re:Um, no. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:No (Score:3, Insightful)
If I have decently configured switches / AP's and correctly configured network services (DHCP, Cryto, IDS etc..) then which is more secure? Well the wired solution is. Why? because I am not making my network available for anyone to try and break into, or simply to monitor and carry out analysis against. Not to mention that the wired network will be faster, easier to troubleshoot (generally), generally cheaper (especially for big implementations) and easily managed. Wired networks have their place, as do wireless networks, the only people pushing for wireless everywhere are those with a stake in selling or providing wireless networking, sadly the idea appeals to a fair number of people (its very "high tech"), and 99% of Wireless networks I have stumbled across (pun intended) where not even close to being secure.
3 words (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Um, no. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Shared bandwidth (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Um, no. (Score:3, Insightful)
Not if the WiFi network is configured for reasonable security. Physical access is typically much easier to get than the AES keys.
Re:Shared bandwidth (Score:4, Insightful)
For reference, gigabit ethernet offers theoretical 128 MB/s transfers, while local hard drives offer between 60 and 90 MB/s. Obviously the latency will be a bit higher on the networked drives, but you'll see no drop in sustained transfer rates. Compare that to a theoretical maximum of 37.5 MB/s for wireless N or 6.75 MB/s for wireless G, and bear in mind that those speeds will be shared with all clients rather than dedicated as with the ethernet connection.
Re:Um, no. (Score:3, Insightful)
Now with a wireless connection, a person could hide their attempts to access the network. They could also do it from far enough away to not impose suspicion. This ability is an extra ability that makes wireless dangerous to some on certain networks. It might not be the same for mom and pop, but when they are doing their accounting and managing banking acounts/passwords and whatever, it might.
It wouldn't be too hard for me to create a proxy server or DNS server on a network and use DHCP in order to issue a new DNS number and intercept log on attempts to their banks, credit cards or health insurance. Then All I would have to do is access those sites from another hacked wireless connection and start taking money. It is more involved when doing this with a wired network.
In the end, it is like the saying that locks only keep honest people out. Well you would be amazed at how many honest people aren't exactly honest when they think no one is watching them. The fear of getting caught doing something bad is enough to stop them from doing it. With a wireless network, you are somewhat allowing these honest people be in a position that no one is watching. But more appropriately, you are somewhat allowing the dishonest people inside your building unmonitored to some extent. Wire a wired network, sure it can still be done, it is just that the possibility of being caught is so much more aware to the honest person.
Re:Um, no. (Score:3, Insightful)
We use VLANs, and many of them. Yes, you can only see traffic from your local segment. And hacking the Cisco switch is no more difficult than hacking everything else.
In big places, they are limited so a few adddresses can manage them. Just spoof this on the uplink port if you get access to the box. And if they use an upstream radius server, this is easy to fake as well. Cisco is only secure as long as the infrastructure is physically protected. Same as for a PC.
Re:The thing I find funny. . . (Score:3, Insightful)
No, you're thinking of "Aether" (as in "lumineferous Aether"), whose existence was shown unlikely by the Michelson-Morely and follow-on experiments.
Ethernet is talking about "ether", the class of compounds where e.g. two alkyl groups are linked with an oxygen atom in between (eg diethyl ether). The network tubes are filled with this stuff. You might think that the reason is ether's high volatility means signals can go faster, but the real reason is far more subtle than that.
Take a look at the diagram of molecular structures here [wikipedia.org]. The one at the top is ether. Now, what does that remind you of? Right! RFC-1149 [ietf.org], A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers. (Not to be confused with Evian carriers -- filling those tubes with water doesn't work at all well.) Being so much smaller (many orders of magnitude) than, say, Columba livia [wikipedia.org], those little ether molecules can travel a lot faster, with a corresponding increase in bandwidth.