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oh but of course (Score:5, Funny)
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They won't be able to foist off level 1 tech support onto the vendor, as *they* would be the vendor.
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Zenith? (Score:3, Informative)
Thou shalt not screw thy distributors (Score:3, Interesting)
LG, to give a brand name more people recognize, is Philips. The game just changed in a big way.
The rest of the top 10 OEMs will not take this lying down. That was their market, and Microsoft was not welcome to it. Microsoft is taking the bread off their table. The objective of this "pilot project" is nothing less than to capture the entire emerging PC markets of India and China, between them nearly half the world's populace. There will be repercussions. As long as Microsoft stayed out of PC OEM land,
Good for them... (Score:5, Insightful)
Aimed primarily at students...
If they can get students hooked to MS products when they're young, especially in these developing countries where the alternative may be Linux, then it's likely these students will continue using Microsoft later on in life, because they're familiar with it. It's a clever move, and really, I'm surprised it took Microsoft so long to start doing this.
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Re:Good for them... (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, but shouldn't they change their name from Microsoft to Microhard ?
Um... wait... nevermind.
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An old Apple technique (Score:2, Flamebait)
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Like the OLPC. Which is why MS is making this (for them) drastic move. Watch for them to offer PCs in other developing countries where the OLPC has gotten orders.
All the more reason for Dell to sell Linux (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:All the more reason for Dell to sell Linux (Score:5, Insightful)
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Politicians shouldn't be allowed to receive funds, air ads, or otherwise "campaign" for election. We should receive notification of whom has "thrown in their hat", have the opportunity to see them participate in fair debates to base our votes on. Level the playing field so we can elect the best candidate regardless of their social or economic circumstances. Instead of having media blitz races where the candidate with th
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Adobe doesn't stop making products for Apple just because Apple has competing software. Same with Adobe not making software for Microsoft because Microsoft sells competing software. Unless Microsoft starts giving their PC some unfare advantage over the other ones. Then HP and Dells will compete with Microsoft on the Hardware end and will be partners on the software side. If microsoft tries to hard to monopolize the PC market that could leave an opening Linux and Apple. (App
Emulating Sun and Apple (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Emulating Sun and Apple (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not, Microsoft's profits have dwarfed those of Sun and Apple combined and have relied on NOT doing this. Don't you think Microsoft selling PC's without paying themselves any licensing costs is going to have the likes of Dell and HP jumping the Microsoft ship faster than you can blink?
You would have to be crazy to promote windows when Microsoft has an inside edge on windows that assures nobody will have a computer that runs as well as those from Microsoft. Microsoft can do anything they want, including intentionally altering windows in ways that will cause it to misbehave on competitor hardware. This is a conflict of interest so glaring that is insane.
MS might get away with India... or not if the hardware companies are bright. But if MS takes this very far you will see a great deal more HP and Dell support for Linux and customization of Linux to work perfectly with their own hardware.
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well, Intel is not gonna like this :) (Score:2)
but at least they're already selling linux
(OK, technically not selling, but intel is one of the bigger investors in linux, right up there with redhat, novell, IBM).
Microsoft is a software conglomerate (Score:2)
Re:Microsoft is a software conglomerate (Score:4, Funny)
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For Years Microsoft has been neutral to OEM's (Score:5, Interesting)
For Years Microsoft has been neutral to OEM's. Could this move drive a further wedge between leading PC vendors and MS?
Is it a sign that Microsoft understands it cannot require OEM's to stop from selling alternate OS's and must enter the PC market itself?
Or is MS just licensing its brand name to go on the outside of the computer and making money for very little cost (something MS is good at)?
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Since they cannot make their money selling OS licenses in India, they will make that $300 per PC the way Apple does it now: by selling overpriced hardware.
long term.... (Score:4, Interesting)
The natural suspicion is that this will eventually lead to whole PCs elsewhere in the world and not for just academics/students. Long term Dell, Gateway and the crowd should be eyeing this carefully I should think.
The writers may doubt it, but even in the FA "..if Microsoft sees success in India, similar partnerships may be forged in other emerging markets".
Damnit (Score:2)
anti-piracy commoditization (Score:5, Interesting)
It's simple, really. If the market doesn't see software as a product, but rather sees software as inseparable or an ephemeral customization of the hardware "appliance," then the only way to make a profit on software is to bundle it and make profits on the hardware it's installed.
Rarely do people copy a completed MS Word installation from one machine to another. They copy an installer. If there's no installer, there's one piracy vector down. If all the machines have equal deployed software images, that's another piracy vector down. However, if all the machines are alike, but some don't come with the Office and some do, will they start to copy those post-install files and try to get them to work anyway?
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Well (Score:4, Interesting)
MS vs Apple, round eleven million... (Score:2)
And also, what would that mean to their competition with Apple? Don't forget that a few years ago, Apple tried allowing 3rd parties to manufacture Mac hardware, and later decided that they wanted to maintain exclusive control of the platform. We still hear people talk about how "Apple is a hardware company, Microsoft is a software company," or "Apple can only maintain quality in their drivers / operating
hmm (Score:2)
I think that will not happen anytime in the foreseeable future. Besides making them even more liable to government intrusion regarding monopolies (and I think MS realizes that the next administration, whether republican or democrat, probably won't be as anti-anti-monopoly fanatic as this o
Retaliation (Score:2)
This is MSFT thumbing their nose at Dell selling Linux boxes. Oh, yeah? We'll show you, we'll sell PC's! Starting in India is just a shot over Dell's bow. Hinting that they could always start competing directly here in the US.
If I were Dell, I wouldn't be worried. MSFT won't be any better at selling hardware than they are at anything else.
Wintel? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Wintel? (Score:4, Informative)
Apple has nothing to do with this, Intel is fairly opportunistic and they see there is a significant potential for Linux growth over the next few years and having Intel hardware be the hardware of choice due to superior driver support can only help them. They have traditionally provided fairly good hardware support for Linux on the server side of things for obvious reasons, it appears that this is now being pushed out to more desktop/notebook oriented hardware. Most likely in anticipation of desktop Linux growth, especially in the corporate/government universe.
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As far as a MS/Intel alliance, there has not been one to speak of for several years now. It's not that Intel is above collusion or dirty tricks, for example there was that deal they struck with Skype a while back trying to get Skype crippled on AMD processors. It's just that Intel, and many other hardware companies have felt for years that Microsoft is holding them back.
From Microsoft's perspective they have been in a position where most computer users in the world have to pay them a "Microsoft tax" if they want to or not, so the less things change the better because any radical hardware or usage changes (the internet) can only hurt Microsoft rather than help them. This clashes with the goals of most hardware companies, which are to one-up the other hardware companies and crank out new hardware revisions constantly to keep people in the habit of upgrading every year. Graphics processor capabilities have been advancing at an incredible rate the last few years, this is largely because gamers are constantly looking at upcoming games and thinking to themselves "man I'm going to need a new video card when that comes out". What would be an equivalent event for replacing the rest of the hardware in the computer? Perhaps the release of a new operating system, though this doesn't really work when it takes Microsoft 5 years and lots of delays between each version of Windows with only marginal changes, most of which have scared the corporate/government customers away from upgrading.
There has been bad blood between Intel and Microsoft for many years now, if you want further evidence here is an interview from late 2005 with Avram Miller Intel's "Vice President and Director of Corporate Business Development" from 1984-1999 http://www.pbs.org/cringely/nerdtv/transcripts/008
Here is an example from another former Intel executive who testified against Microsoft in the anti-trust trial http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_McGeady [wikipedia.org]
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All directions at once (Score:5, Funny)
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Growing? (Score:3, Interesting)
I believe they call that, "Flailing."
Like a whale on the beach.
Make Windows Like the Mac (Score:2)
The MS PC (Score:2)
What they need to do is take something like the Xbox 360 (something that will plug into an HDTV, basically), and put a whole new, incompatible "Microsoft PC-only" version of Windows on it. Basically, a "clean" version of Windows that abandons backward compatibility entirely, and only runs on their own hardware.
Then, port Office and Internet Explorer to the new platform. Sell it for a few hundred bucks.
They *must* have thoug
I'll take one please (Score:2)
The Next Step - "Just Add DRM" (Score:3, Funny)
"There is nothing wrong with your computer. Do not attempt to restart the machine. We are now controlling its operation. We control the hardware and the software. We can deluge you with a thousand windows or expand one single image to crystal clarity - and beyond. We can shape your computing experience to anything our imagination can conceive. For the next session we will control all that you see and hear. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the deepest inner mind to... The Microsoft Computer. Please stand by."
As for myself, I think I will pass on the Microsoft flavored Kool-Aid. I tend to get upset when machines start telling me that I can not do [function or feature] with the new [media type or gadget] that I bought because the MAFIAA thinks that disabling [function or feature] is in _their_ best interest.
India's currency: the Rupee (Score:2)
Old man says: "You got computer!"
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Dear Lord, what has our education system come to?
For some more currency fun, watch "The Princess Bride" again (I'm assuming you already have seen it, or you should have) and see if you can identify the two currencies referenced in it.
Waste of Time (Score:3, Insightful)
Guess MS can make at least $100 per machine, because unlike OEM's they have to pay $0 for the Window OS. That's a better margin than the Dells of the world. Plus they can control the numbers (we sold 10k machines all with Vista).
Going balls against the wall with Apple (Score:3, Interesting)
However, Microsoft, you can bet your sweet fat arse, would love to build its own machines, so as to especially attempt to beat Apple at its own game of hardware/software integration. This is obvious. Vista copied so many features out of OSX (yay transparent windows and shadows, the calender, Windows Mail instead of Outlook Express, the gadgets in the sidebar, UAC and numerous things) in a transparent attempt to stop users drifting away from MS crapware to Apple. Microsoft entered the portable music player market ONLY because Apple was laughing so hard at Bill Gates every time he started up some new version of MSN music, claiming it would be an iPod killer. The zune may be a joke, but you can bet that MS will work on improving it to try and get it ready for the legendary 3rd revision, by which time MS products are expected to be better than the competition.
You can bet Micrsoft would build its own PCs in a heartbeat to counter Apple if it could. MS is scared silly by Apple. The iPhone is not going to help the fear in Redmond much either, because it is guaranteed to be a huge success compared to MSs Dumbphones. Expect MS to dump HTC and release its own phone in about two or three years.
The only thing stopping MS from making its own PCs is the fact that that is honestly, the only real MS success story. Windows, Office and the Server Windows is where MS makes its money. If MS were to frolic too hard with making its own PCs in the US and Europe, you can bet that Linux would be on the front page of HP and Dells sites tomorrow and that you would have to actually look at who would sell you Windows anymore. (Yes, I'm exagerating, but the OEMs will become OELinux pretty soon, since they would not be able to compete with MS.)
MS would stand to lose vast amounts of marketshare, and they'd still lose, beause no matter how well their machines sold, Apple, in a tight corner, would only have to start selling OSX to OEMs to really bust Redmonds balls.
(rereading this, I wonder just how desperate Ballmer and Bill the dweeb really are?)
Makes business sence (Score:3, Interesting)
If they are the only game in town, you cant avoid the microsoft tax..
Re:Not Dell and HP... (Score:5, Funny)
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I'm not saying any hardware vendor has a perfect product line.
I will say their mice and keyboards are ok. Though the best Microsoft mouse I ever had I didn't pay for, I won in a MSDN contest.
I think if Microsoft was really confident in these PC's, they would have launched them in the U.S. or Europe. One problem they may ha
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Too high by only $20? (Score:3, Interesting)