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MacBook Pro Gets Santa Rosa Chipset, LED Screen 452

frdmfghtr writes "TechNewsWorld is reporting that Apple has updated the MacBook Pro line with the Santa Rosa chipset from Intel. In addition, Apple is also introducing mercury-free displays with some models. 'When Apple presented new editions of its MacBook line last month, the company excluded the latest Intel Centrino chips, dubbed "Santa Rosa," which had been released just days prior. The chips have found their way into Apple's new high-end MacBook Pro notebooks, which the company revealed Tuesday. Certain models use mercury-free displays, falling in line with the company's recent ecological promises.'"
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MacBook Pro Gets Santa Rosa Chipset, LED Screen

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  • by J. T. MacLeod ( 111094 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @09:56AM (#19410063)
    I'm incredibly excited at the prospect of an LED display. Not only would the lighting be easier on the eyes, but lower-power and safer.

    As some one who's concerned with color correction, though, I wonder how accurate and vivid are the colors on these new screens. I'm not ordering one to find out.
  • display (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Peter La Casse ( 3992 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @10:04AM (#19410197)
    The biggest news IMO is that the 17" MacBook Pro now comes with a 1920x1200 screen option. I've got that on my 15.4" Sager now, and it's wonderful. I'd rather have another 15.4", but I'd rather not step down to 1440x900.
  • by Shivetya ( 243324 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @10:17AM (#19410335) Homepage Journal
    and allow for most variety in configurations so that there would be "Pro" level laptops at more affordable prices.

    I like the discreet video, I do not need the 2.4, the monster drive, the large memory....

    so what about 1.66 or 1.83s with similar features, chipset, and such at a lower cost. 1gb memory, discreet graphics, for around $1500?

    Are they trying to protect the value of the previous generation still on the shelf?
  • thinking about it... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by RMH101 ( 636144 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @10:25AM (#19410427)
    ...the 2 button trackpad thing could conceivably be retro fitted. you'd have to take your macbook apart, but i could imagine some enterprising 3rd party coming up with a click button the same physical dimensions as the standard apple one, but divided into two. on laptops these things are pretty simple mechanical switches and they normally plug in via simple ribbon connectors. if nothing else, it'd stop people moaning...
  • Re:Awesome (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Constantine Evans ( 969815 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @10:26AM (#19410439) Homepage
    If you normally use tapping with touchpads, you should note that the touchpad for the MacBook Pro allows right clicking by tapping with two fingers. The touchpad can also detect three-finger taps, but for some reason, OS X ignores them; Ubuntu, on the other hand, allows full use of the touchpad as a three-button mouse, though the driver is currently rather poor. I would actually almost prefer that the laptop not have the one actual mouse button that it does - it generally just gets in the way and generates spurious clicks when there is the slightest hint of shear force on the frame.
  • by burris ( 122191 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @10:35AM (#19410577)
    The old fluorescent backlit displays begin degrading immediately and lose their brightness in a non-linear way. After one year they are noticeably dimmer and difficult to use in brightly lit environments and by year 2-3 they are almost unusably dim. I hope the LED backlights do not degrade so quickly or at all. Lower power consumption is most welcome, of course.

  • by Bishop ( 4500 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @10:47AM (#19410709)
    Santa Rosa still has problems addressing a full 4GiB of RAM. This is a limitation of running the processor in 32bit mode. In this mode a maximum of 4GiB can be addressed, but some of that space is mapped to system devices such as the dedicated video memory.
  • by jddj ( 1085169 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @10:50AM (#19410749) Journal

    Color Guru Andrew Rodney [digitaldog.net] has said in several online fora that the wider gamut of LED-illuminated monitors is not necessarily a good thing. A wider gamut does not necesarily mean a larger gamut.

    If that doesn't make intuitive sense to you, think about this example: You place 5 stones in a straight line on the ground at 1-foot intervals. Now pick them up and place the same 5 stones at 2-foot intervals. You've created a wider figure, but have not increased the number of stones - the figure still has the same number of intervals.

    If each of the stones in the above example represents a shade of color, then simply widening the gamut without providing additional color resolution - more than eight bits per color channel, for example - will not display additional color information, and in fact will worsen the display's performance at reproducing the smaller gamut of the sRGB colorspace (the assumed colorspace for Windows machines and most digital cameras).

    If this is yet-another 6-bit display, this situation will be even worse

    I'm definitely the target buyer for this machine, but am cautiously sitting on my hands, awaiting word from the color-management community on how it fares, and to see if Apple has finally fixed the battery and other problems that have dogged the MacBook Pro line.

  • by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @11:02AM (#19410933) Homepage
    It's not an LED display but an LED backlight.

    Which honestly is far better than the Cold Cathode tube in there that fails, yellows with age fairly quickly, and causes heartaches the world over.
  • Re:How about... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by misleb ( 129952 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @11:18AM (#19411139)
    Why the dichotomy between "hardcore" gamers and people who just play a couple "simple games?" Can't a casual gamer play games that either require a good GPU or just plain look better with a good one? I'm thinking of Oblivion here. Or maybe LOTRO.

    One of the main reasons I got a MacBook Pro vs. a MacBook was the ATI X1600. I'm not a hardcore gamer by any means, but there are times when I like to tinker with a game here and there. Sure, it isn't upgradable and will probably be obsolete in a year or two, but until then...

    -matthew
  • Re:Apple surrenders? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by owenc67202 ( 901889 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @11:29AM (#19411327)
    I thought Jobs did a pretty good job at the last shareholder's meeting of calling Greenpeace out. His comments about how others promise while Apple does are fairly true. Apple _does_ a lot more. They just don't promise the moon and then not deliver.
  • Re:Awesome (Score:3, Interesting)

    by furball ( 2853 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @11:54AM (#19411791) Journal
    You didn't get the point of my question. A two button interface is not "portable" across different UI schemes. Two+ button interfaces are great when you have a mouse. But if you plan on building an OS with applications (Safari, hello?) that works in a mouse driven UI and a touch driven UI (iPhone) you can't build around 2 buttons.

    And if you build 2 button hardware, then developers will build around 2 button interfaces.

    You're better off with 1 button anyway.
  • The keyboard... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bludwulf ( 39653 ) <beau@beaugunderson.com> on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @12:06PM (#19411997) Homepage
    I was hoping that the new Macbook Pro would feature the same new keyboard as the new Macbook, but alas, it seems as if hasn't been changed (aside from being more brightly backlit now).
  • by nine-times ( 778537 ) <nine.times@gmail.com> on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @12:10PM (#19412049) Homepage
    Isn't the LED just the backlight? If the LED is as bright as the old screens and gives a nice clean white spectrum, how would it change the bit-depth of the display?
  • Re:Apple surrenders? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @12:55PM (#19412789)
    I'm a former Apple Engineer, and I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

    From talking with my former co-workers, Apple had been working with engineering sample LED backlight systems for almost a year when Greenpeace made their attention whoring report. Apple didn't choose LED systems only because they were mercury-free, they were also looking at lower power, brighter, longer lasting, and far cheaper to mass produce than cold cathode.

    Clearly Greenpeace had learned Apple was working on migrating their whole lineup to "greener", so they beat them to the punch with a completely bogus report. At that point, anything Apple did would seem as if it was a reaction to Greenpeace. Engineering lead times are far too long for these new backlights to have been brought in after the Greenpeace slander job.
  • Re:Apple surrenders? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by GaryPatterson ( 852699 ) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @06:35PM (#19417627)
    No, you're quite wrong.

    Look for the Rolling Stone interview with Steve Jobs, back when iTunes was originally launched. You'll find a quote from him about how DRM won't work and how they don't want to stay with DRM forever.

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