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French Voting Machines a "Catastrophe" 259

eldavojohn writes "The electronic voting machine has soured another election. Some French voters have reportedly turned away in disgust after facing up to two hours in lines to use the machines. Further, the article reports, 'Researchers at Paul Verlaine University in Metz said that trials on two of the three machines used in France showed that four people out of every seven aged over 65 could not get their votes recorded.' This article concentrates primarily on usability and efficiency, but surprisingly mentions little (aside from user trust issues) about the security embodied in the machines or whether it was satisfactory. I think all three aspects are important to anyone aiming to produce voting machines. The manufacturer of these particular machines is France Élection."
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French Voting Machines a "Catastrophe"

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  • by ratbag ( 65209 ) on Tuesday April 24, 2007 @02:29AM (#18851041)
    The turnout was reported at 84% - a post-war record and considerably higher than past elections. It could just be that capacity planning was to blame, rather than the voting machines.
  • if it's hard to use (Score:3, Interesting)

    by nanosquid ( 1074949 ) on Tuesday April 24, 2007 @02:49AM (#18851155)
    then it's probably very secure :-)

    Seriously, developers of security-related software often neglect usability, either making their systems insecure because people just disable or work around security, or making their systems unusable by many people.
  • by ex-geek ( 847495 ) on Tuesday April 24, 2007 @03:08AM (#18851291)
    I don't really see the benefit of these machines. Sure, you get the results a little bit earlier, but that's hardly important. So why are some countries adopting voting machines, while others don't even think about it?

    What is the TCO of these things anyway? These machines are used maybe once a year. Will they still work in ten years down the line? Lots of motherboards don't due to failing CMOS batteries for example. It seems to me that given the rapid pace of changes in the field of computing and networking, it would be very difficult to maintain such a system over decades. Do voting machines use modems? What if everybody uses VoIP and cell phones in ten years?
  • by petitpasdelune ( 1092385 ) on Tuesday April 24, 2007 @03:27AM (#18851411)
    France Election company belong to the brother of the small hitler candidate :)
    You known, this one who believe criminality and suicide is a
    genetic problem. Someone in Deutschland, just before 1936 shared the same stinky ideas.

    PPDL

  • by the_masked_mallard ( 792207 ) on Tuesday April 24, 2007 @04:36AM (#18851819)
    In India, we have been using voting machines for quite some time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_voting_machine s [wikipedia.org]
    Probably no election in the Western world can compare with the muscle power, booth capturing and other illegitimate means used in India. A number of people are illiterate and yet there have been no concerns raised about the machine's usability.
    It has been used in difficult inhospitable terrain, using batteries where electricity is not available. Perhaps the mindset needs to change to accept this new mechanism of voting.
  • Re:bad UI (Score:2, Interesting)

    by kadat ( 1092425 ) on Tuesday April 24, 2007 @05:55AM (#18852239) Homepage

    What makes you think paper ballots are more secure than computers? It's not computers that steal your votes, it's people. And the same people can steal or miscount them when using the paper version.

    I worked in a vote counting team when there was a voting on whether Poland should join EU and have seen people who wanted to count vote as invalid just because someone wrote "EU SUCKS" on the ballot paper even though there was a mark in the next to "No" field and there was no mark next to "Yes" field. The directives for counting votes were clear about that - the vote is invalid only if there are no marks in the fields, there are marks in both fields, the paper sheet is physically damaged or the seal was not entirely visible. There were 7 people counting besides me and they all wanted to count the vote as invalid, I had to show them the exact quote from the manual.

    With paper ballots you give the exact same power to a small portion of population - the counting team. It's all up to them. It's always up to the people.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24, 2007 @06:33AM (#18852445)
    You know how long it took me to vote in the last Australian Federal election? Five minutes! I showed up at the local school on a Saturday afternoon, waited behind about 5 other people from my suburb, told the cute electoral officer who I was - they had a few pages' list showing everyone in my suburb as it's required to inform the Australian Electoral Commission of your address about 6 months before the election, cast a preferential vote and dropped it in a box. The counting is done by trained electoral officers and the outcome is basically obvious by the end of the evening with a few weeks needed to finish up the preferences.

    Compulsory voting, so basically everyone does with a 10% informal vote the norm. So I'm having trouble accepting what parent says about 2 hour waits. They're trying to justify electronic voting here too although I've no idea why, it might just be that the Chief Minister of the Australian Capital Territory is a bit weird - although he was pretty cool when I was his coffee waitress that time, and he did save that drowning guy.

    Bah! Give me politics New Zealand style where dredlocked MPs show up to parliament on their skateboards and they sent out a transvestite MP to meet the Queen.
  • Re:Since when... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24, 2007 @06:44AM (#18852509)
    The entire "Iraq war" could have been avoided if France didn't stand up for Iraq and issue a Veto statement to any use of force mandate from the UN.

    ROFL!!!!! In Orwell's 1984 you ought to be a servant in charge of rewriting history. Because if there is one thing that was decided for a long time (since summer 2002 actually) by the Bush administration, this was the Iraq war. Even the British had memos about this: http://www.juancole.com/2005/05/secret-british-mem o-shows-bush.html [juancole.com]

    So carry on your delusional propaganda. You needed a scapegoat for fuelling your blind war-mongering (the French), why not using the same scapegoat for explaining the post-war disaster.
  • Re:bad UI (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Yvanhoe ( 564877 ) on Tuesday April 24, 2007 @07:51AM (#18852883) Journal
    What makes you think paper ballots are more secure than computers? It's not computers that steal your votes, it's people. And the same people can steal or miscount them when using the paper version.

    A lot of people asked me that when I proposed them to sign my petition. They told me that fraud was very old and couldn't be prevented entirely. I agree. In fact most of the frauds possible with a paper ballot are still possible with electronic machines. But now, there is another possibility to fraud : you only need collusion between two or three people in a private company manufacturing the machines in order to hijack votes in a whole country. I can agree to have a minimal trust in the government body organizing the elections, they are overwatched by people from a lot of different organizations, but I can't trust an IT company that does not publish any informations about their machines and that has been consistently been lying about some technical informations. Citizens should be able to certify by themselves the validity of the elections. Otherwise, it won't stay a democratic state very long.
  • by Svenheim ( 723925 ) on Tuesday April 24, 2007 @08:12AM (#18853073)
    In my country (Norway) all votes are still counted manually. You go into a booth, and there you choose between lists for each party, one sheet pr party. So you just gotta take the right piece of paper, put it in an envelope, leave the booth and drop it into an urn. It's cheap, it's easy, and it's reliable. The only thing one has to make sure about is that there are enough lists for each party, which is a fairly simple deal. Counting is done manually, but it's done quite fast, since you can immediately tell which party the vote has been cast for. Now, in our system there are a list of people in the priority the party has put them in that district (we have a representative system, not one-man constituencies), and you can shuffle the order of the names and even strike out some names if you want, but that can be done after the ballots have been sorted per party, so the election result is pretty much clear a few hours after the polls have closed. I remember I was shocked witnessing the hopeless ballots from Florida in the 2000 election, with our system a recount couldve been done in a few hours.

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