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Is Daylight Saving Shift Really Worth It? 652

Posted by Hemos
from the questioning-the-wisdom dept.
Krishna Dagli writes "Two Ph.D. students at the University of California at Berkeley say that Daylight Saving Shift will not do any good or create any energy savings. We are already spending money for software upgrades in the name of saving energy and after reading following article I wonder has congress really studied the impact of DST shift? " I also read some back story on the concept; OTOH, I found TiVo's suggestions that I manually change everything on my Series 1 device to be somewhat...insulting.
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Is Daylight Saving Shift Really Worth It?

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  • Is it worth it? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by AltGrendel (175092) <[su.0tixe] [ta] [todhsals-ga]> on Monday March 12, 2007 @08:39AM (#18314793) Homepage
    One word says it all.

    NO!

  • by ip_freely_2000 (577249) on Monday March 12, 2007 @08:40AM (#18314817)
    Energy savings or not, I like the extra hour of daylight in the evening. It's extra time to play ball, take the dog for a walk or just let my kid play outside.

    I'd go for double daylight savings if I could.

    Maybe the PhD guys should get out of their classroom and enjoy the day.
    • I'd go for double daylight savings if I could.

      Why don't you just ask your boss if you can work 6-3 :)
      • by Vengeance (46019) on Monday March 12, 2007 @08:45AM (#18314873)
        I already work 7:30 to 3:30. Having DST at all is really just a nuisance to me.
    • by Markvs (17298) on Monday March 12, 2007 @08:45AM (#18314871) Journal
      I agree. I live near NYC and it does WONDERS for my morale. The days of going to work in the dark and leaving in the dark weigh heavy on the soul/psyche. DST is a big boost, IMO.
      • by hackstraw (262471) on Monday March 12, 2007 @09:04AM (#18315097)
        The days of going to work in the dark and leaving in the dark weigh heavy on the soul/psyche. DST is a big boost, IMO.

        But that has nothing to do with DST, that has to do with 1) what time you come and go to work and how long you stay there, and 2) the days are simply shorter in the winter because the Earth's axis. In extreme Northern and Southern climates (think North and South polar regions), its daylight and dark 24 hours a day depending on the season, and changing the clock will not change that.

        I heard on NPR the other day, that the _real_ reason for DST is not to save energy, but rather to appease the retail sector. They have data that people are more willing to go out and spend money after work if its not dark. So people go motoring around in their fuel efficient SUVs, blow money, and thus energy is saved!

        Personally, I don't understand why humans are so clock oriented vs sun oriented. It kills me that houses in the US are built in random directions (unless there is a nice view) instead of oriented around the Sun.

        Sometimes I think humans are the silliest of all animals.

        • My girlfriend's after a house with a south-facing yard, so as to catch all the sun it can (she's a garden enthusiast). It's amazing how many estate agents don't actually know which direction a given house faces.
          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by tbuskey (135499)
            In the early 80's I worked at an HVAC company. We had a program to do sizing estimates. You put in lat/long, ORIENTATION, window area, overhangs, heat sources (stoves, computers), humidity sources (coffee pots), ocupancy (heat + humidity there too), insulation R values in walls, roof, basement, etc.

            It would take that information and tell you what size AC you needed to cool it. With these measurements & no college degree (yet) I would come up with the same answer the boss did with his 20 years of expe
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by JLennox (942693)
          They're not built in random directions, the roads are. The house simply faces the road.
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by soupforare (542403)
          Humans are clock oriented because society is clock oriented.
          It's popularly difficult to interact, consume, create, foo unless you've got little deadlines controlling your movement. I blame grade school bells.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by garcia (6573)
      I'm in 100% agreement. It might not do anything for energy consumption but it sure does make me a happier camper! I work from 9:30 to 6 and while for the last three weeks there has been some light when I'm driving home, it's going to be REALLY nice to have an entire trip with daylight. Not only do I feel better and happier during the light hours, I also feel safer because everyone else around me is driving in the daylight too.

      I take a camping trip at the end of March every year and it will be SO nice to
      • News Flash (Score:3, Insightful)

        by BigDogCH (760290)
        I see your point, and I like it when you are a happy camper, but daylight savings does NOT change how many hours of daylight we have at our disposal.

        I repeat DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME DOES NOT GIVE US MORE DAYLIGHT. It does not change the planets tilt, rotation speed, or smell.

        Sorry, but it just bugs me when everyone claims it gives us more daylight. DST should be abolished altogether. Any companies that want to change their business hours for the seasons should do so on their own. Factories in the M
        • Re:News Flash (Score:5, Insightful)

          by hal2814 (725639) on Monday March 12, 2007 @09:29AM (#18315393)
          "I repeat DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME DOES NOT GIVE US MORE DAYLIGHT."

          I think we're all aware of that. It must be nice to work in a business that can adjust business hours on their own without any serious repercussions but a lot of us don't have that luxury. I have to be at work when my clients are at work. That's one of the advantages my clients have to using us over using someone offshore. All of our clients live in an 8-5 world so I too live in an 8-5 world. I'm rather fond of my 8-5 world including more daylight after I get off of work. That's extra usable daylight which is the real pro DST argument as far as I can tell. I don't really think anyone believes that setting clocks a certain way impacts the amount of time the sun spends in the sky daily but nice straw man (a term I really think is overused but is unfortunately most appropriate here).
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by flyingfsck (986395)
            What 8-5 world? When I was in primary school (which is a helluva long time ago come to think of it) businesses started to change to flexi time. Only a few government departments run on an 8-5 schedule. DST makes no difference to the majority of people - they go to work when they feel like it. My conclusion is that you must be living in Washington DC...
          • by mstahl (701501) <marrrrrk@gmaCOBOLil.com minus language> on Monday March 12, 2007 @10:41AM (#18316405) Homepage Journal

            I don't really think anyone believes that setting clocks a certain way impacts the amount of time the sun spends in the sky daily...

            You'd be surprised. . . .

          • Usable daylight. (Score:3, Informative)

            by The Monster (227884)

            I'm rather fond of my 8-5 world including more daylight after I get off of work.

            Before we had these time pieces, people got up at sunrise. Over the course of the six months between solstices, the change would be a minute a day at most in the temperate zone. This gradual adjustment went away when we started using sundials, which based the time of day on noon instead of sunrise.

            Then we got clocks, which came in handy for things like train schedules. The railroads had a problem. When an Atchison, Topeka,

        • by bodrell (665409) on Monday March 12, 2007 @10:20AM (#18316127) Journal
          I repeat DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME DOES NOT GIVE US MORE DAYLIGHT. It does not change the planets tilt, rotation speed, or smell.

          Whenever I hear someone talk about how awesome it is to have extra hours of daylight, I ask them why wouldn't it be better to just "recalibrate" the time zones so that "daylight savings time" is the new standard time, then just stop all this switching nonsense.

          But time zones are another total pain in the ass, even if there's no switching back and forth. I recently found out the China has a single time zone, whereas the country would encompass about eight zones if they used our style of time zones. And have you seen the time zone map of the US? It makes no sense at all. Alabama is completely on central time, but if you go due north, Michigan is in . . . eastern time? WTF?

          I personally advocate the abolition of time zones altogether. Let's all use Greenwich Mean Time, no time changes, and deal with it. Businesses and schools can just change their hours of operation, rather than messing with time itself. Sure, it would be weird to have sunrise at 6 pm and sunset at 6 am, but would it be any more complicated than the current system?

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by LunaticTippy (872397)
            The nice thing about time zones is that you have a frame of reference when travelling. If you are at UTC-6 or UTC+4 you know the sun will come up in the AM and people will be up and about by 8. You need to be checked out of your hotel by noonish and you can guess when meals are. If someone says "Let's have drinks at 6" you don't have to wonder AM or PM. Sure a bit of research or questions could help, but I would find it disorienting, especially if changing time zones all the time. I'd have "breakfast"
      • by Hoi Polloi (522990) on Monday March 12, 2007 @10:20AM (#18316121) Journal
        "I take a camping trip at the end of March every year and it will be SO nice to have that extra hour of daylight to get camp setup, cook dinner, and enjoy the park."

        When I camp I get up with the sun and set up camp around sunset regardless of what the clock says. DST doesn't give you more daylight.
    • by The-Bus (138060)
      If I had it my way, I'd have double daylight savings time and just make it permanent. So what if the sun doesn't come out until 10AM in the winter?
    • by schon (31600) on Monday March 12, 2007 @09:16AM (#18315225)

      Energy savings or not, I like the extra hour of daylight in the evening. It's extra time to play ball, take the dog for a walk or just let my kid play outside.
      So why don't we all just keep the clocks an hour ahead, and get that "extra hour" all year round?
  • by kaleco (801384) <greig.marshall2@btinternet . c om> on Monday March 12, 2007 @08:42AM (#18314839)
    Quick, someone add the tags please.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      I really wish I had mod points right now. The tag system as it is bugs me when they let articles in with questions in their titles. The tags are to classify the articles, not respond to or give feedback for them. Yes, no, maybe, slownewsday, etc... They're all worthless imo.
  • by hansamurai (907719) <hansamurai@gmail.com> on Monday March 12, 2007 @08:44AM (#18314853) Homepage Journal
    ... that two college students think they're smarter than a bunch of politicians?
    • by mpe (36238)
      ... that two college students think they're smarter than a bunch of politicians?

      Or rather than a bunch of politicians think they are smarter than two PhD students.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by solevita (967690)
      Questioning politicians, it's your duty. The day that you assume that you're less intelligent that politicians is the day that you wave all your rights, human or otherwise.

      Politicians are only people, you're a person too. Question what they do or you're simply a tool. Don't forget either that they work for you.

      So yeah, mod parent down ;-)
    • by Legion303 (97901) on Monday March 12, 2007 @09:27AM (#18315365) Homepage
      I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. My three-year-old son is smarter than a bunch of politicians.
  • Clearly they didn't even know there was going to be a technical problem...

    I'd say that odds are they didn't even think that research was necessary.
  • So what if an early DST doesn't really have huge enery savings? Of course, this is a research paper by 2 students at the People's Republic of Berkeley, who no doubt must be the most completely objective sources on the planet. (sarcasm off) There are benefits such as being able to actually go outside and get some exercise after work or do yard work because it's not too dark, being able to drive home after work in daylight and so on. I love DST and I wish the government had moved it up years ago, but I'm g
    • ...if you sell BBQs and golf games.
      I was listening to a radio Show and the DST was the topic.
      It turns out that the makers of BBQs and the Golf lobby told Congress that DST was worth hundreds of millions of dollars for them and to continue the DST practice.
    • by cduffy (652) <charles+slashdot@dyfis.net> on Monday March 12, 2007 @09:21AM (#18315291)
      Why don't they just pass a law stating that for purposes of the government, standard work hours are shifted +1/-1hr within a given time period, and encourage private industry to do the same? That way you get your ability to drive home in daylight, and I don't have anyone screwing with my clocks.

      (For that matter, if it's that big of a difference, why doesn't private industry decide to change business hours independently? Personally, I don't see it as a big enough change to be worth bothering -- but then, I exercise in the mornings rather than afternoons, and have an employer who allows me to shift my hours at will).
  • by kria (126207) <roleplayer@carrie.gmail@com> on Monday March 12, 2007 @08:44AM (#18314863) Journal
    I want my daylight savings time for one reason - so I'm not woken at an ungodly (Ungodly? unGodly?) hour when the sun rises at its earliest, and I know I would be - if the sun didn't, my husband, who is very reactive to sunlight, would be awake and that would do it.

    I live in Indiana, and I'm thrilled that we're finally doing DST.
  • Issues so far (Score:4, Informative)

    by OriginalArlen (726444) on Monday March 12, 2007 @08:45AM (#18314879)
    According to the SANS Incident Handler's Diary [sans.org], various issues have been reported in Cisco VOIP phones, Blackberrys, Veritas aka Symantec BackupExec, and Watchguard firewalls.
  • Congress? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12, 2007 @08:46AM (#18314893)
    I wonder has congress really studied the impact of DST shift?

    It is already well-established that the US Congress doesn't bother to read the laws before they pass them.

    If they don't even read the law, I doubt they would do any studies.
  • You know, except for all the TV shows on cable shifting by an hour, I really didn't miss having to run around the house changing the clocks twice a year when I lived in Saskatchewan. But, now that I'm outside of Saskatchewan, I'm also bombarded by those idiot^H^H^H^H^Hpeople who say "You lose an hour of sleep tonight"...well...no I don't ...and I also won't "be well rested tonight because I'll get an extra hour of sleep" ...guess what: I don't use an alarm clock. I get up when I get up. I don't gain or l
    • I can tell you with absolute certainty that I definitely woke up Sunday morning feeling like I needed another hour of sleep... but to be honest, I always feel like I need another hour of sleep. If I ever lapse into one of those ten-year comas, someone please make sure I have the futuristic equivalent of a "just ten more minutes" snooze button available.
  • I want to strangle both the inventor or daylight savings time and the genius who decided to move this dates this year. Thanks to these jackasses, I get up in the dark now. And my favorite clock which autosets its time when the power goes out is now broken. I had to lie to it and change my timezone to get the time to display correctly. This is completely retarded. I didn't see a single correct clock in the way in to work today.
    • by Sirch (82595)

      I didn't see a single correct clock in the way in to work today.
      How do you know? Maybe your watch is broken?
  • I live in Western Australia, and we're currently running a trial of Daylight savings. It's all well and good for those of us in the lower half of the state, where there is an appreciable difference in the sunset/sunrise times Summer vs Winter, but at the top of the state nearer the equator, it must be annoying at the very least.

    (Not to mention it's hot enough that the airconditioning will be on wherever I am, daylight savings or no, so I doubt there's much of an energy saving there either)

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Exactly. Congratulations on being (so far) the only reply that mentions distance from the equator.

      Your distance from the equator and the season are the two critical factors. If you live far from the equator and it is closer to the summer solstice than the winter solstice then you have 'daylight to spend'. Where should we spend it? In the evening, or in the morning? Most people don't have any interest in getting up earlier than 6:00 AM, so shifting those wasted hours of sunlight to the evening makes sense. I
  • by mobiux (118006)
    The obvious answer is that congress needed an easy way to put something down on paper that they care about energy policy.
    Was there any in depth hearings on it, any experts called in to testify on the change, any representatives from industries affected by this change, actual debate on the subject? As far as i can remember, it was no on all accounts.

    Congress passes a law without knowing the full consequences, simply so they would have something to show in the 06 elections.

    Anyone who voted on this is/was a go
  • If you like the extra hour of light at night its worth it. It would be nice if people adjusted themselves without being forced to but that just isnt going to happen.
  • More driving? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Lurker2288 (995635) on Monday March 12, 2007 @08:52AM (#18314961)
    According to CNN.com, a gas price bump is expected now because people are expected to drive more with the expanded daylight hours.

    So wait, Washington passed a law to change DST early...the early DST change is now being used to justify gas price increases? Coincidence? Happenstance?

    Sorry all, maybe my TFH is a little tight this morning.
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by MyNameIsEarl (917015)
      A fart is a good enough excuse for big oil to justify an increase in gasoline prices.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by hb253 (764272)
      We will get an increase in gasoline price regardless of DST. This is because the refineries have to switch to summer-formula gasoline which is more expensive to produce.
  • The other side (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Spackler (223562) on Monday March 12, 2007 @08:52AM (#18314967) Journal
    Ok, I am going to argue the other side of this.

    From TFA:
    But Ryan Kellogg and Hendrik Wolff, who are working on their doctorates in economics, say the reduced need for light in the evening will likely be negated by the increased need in the early morning.

    That sounds logical, but it is not (IMHO). In the morning when I get up for work, I turn on maybe two lights (bedroom and bathroom). I am focused on getting ready for work, so there is not any entertainment (TV), stereo, really nothing except an electric razor. I brew my tea, and I am off to work (I don't think my headlights count as extra energy).

    When I come home from work, well, all the lights in the kitchen, the halls, very soon the livingroom, the plasma TV, the surround sound, the computer. Lot's more things. Now, most of these don't change from summer to winter, except the lights. If it is light out, I do not turn them on (shocking). That is a savings of energy by not turning on the lights.

    I really don't think this article took into account the different energy needs from the morning to night times. It is short sighted.

    Spack

    (ok, the gate is open for you to disagree, but really think about the way you do things different in the mornings and how most people do it different first)
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Aladrin (926209)
      You should have left out the mess about the tv, etc. It isn't affected and has nothing to do with this. Mentioning it only clouds the issue.

      The only difference is the livingroom, kitchen, and hall lights. So assuming you have 3 bulbs in the kitchen, 3 in the living room, and 1 in the hall, that's 7 bulbs that are on an extra hour a day.

      It sounds like you're already at least a little energy-conscious, too, as most people will turn on a light if it's not quite bright enough in the room. You just leave the
    • by teslar (706653)
      Yeah, well, also from TFA:

      Kellogg and Wolff came to their conclusion by studying Australia, where several states extended daylight-saving time (DST for short) by two months in 2000 to accommodate the Olympic Games in Sydney that year.
      [...]
      In fact, the two said, shifting Australians' clocks led to a tiny increase in power use.

      So they're not exactly making it up and while you may think it's not logical, it does appear to be true. Whether the results apply to the US in the same way remains to be seen, of cours

  • by Migraineman (632203) on Monday March 12, 2007 @08:58AM (#18315021)
    Clearly this legislations was thought up by a "morning person." You douchebag "morning people" and your silly daylight requirement may suck my left nut.
  • Your TiVo Series 1 will work just fine as long as you're using the guide data to record everything. Sure, the time it displays will be wrong for three weeks, but it will record everything just like it did. All of the guide data is in GMT so your season passes don't need to be updated. Did you even RTFA?
  • When this bill was originally being talked about, various people said the study it was based on, done back in the 1970s was worthless. However they quickly got labeled as working for "big oil". Others mentioned that even using newer numbers the saving would not be great were also labeled as working for "big oil".
    However all you "man is the prime source of global warming" can take heart, I have already seen a few articles where they are ignoring the claim that the change will save energy to focus on sayi
  • The letter from TiVo (Score:3, Informative)

    by AtariDatacenter (31657) on Monday March 12, 2007 @09:06AM (#18315113) Homepage
    Here is what TiVo sent me. The Thursday (Mar 8) before DST. Thanks for the warning!

    Dear TiVo Subscriber,

    As Daylight Saving Time commences three weeks early this year, we
    thought we'd beat the clock to let you know how this unusual schedule might
    affect recordings on your TiVo(r) Series1 DVR. (Hint: Chances are
    slim.)

    While the TiVo service will continue to automatically record your
    Season Pass(tm) programs and WishList(r) searches at the correct airtimes
    without incident, there are two things to note:

    1) For the three weeks that follow the new Daylight Saving Time start
    date (March 11), your Series1 TiVo(r) DVR may display the incorrect
    time.

    Again, to be clear, this is only a cosmetic issue and should not affect
    your Season Pass(tm) and WishList(r) recordings.

    2) If you have any MANUAL recordings scheduled between March 11 and
    April 1, you
    will need to adjust those recordings as appropriate. Here's how:

    - From TiVo Central, select Pick Programs to Record, then To Do List.

    - Locate your Manual Recording (by channel, date, time) and adjust
    accordingly. For example, if you have a daily manual recording from 8:00 am

    - 9:00 am, you will need to change it to 7:00 am - 8:00 am on March 11.
    (Quick Tip: If there are no recordings in this list preceded by the
    word "Manual", there's nothing further you need to do.)

    - On April 1 be sure to change it back to its actual time, i.e., 8:00
    am - 9:00 am.

    For more details, please visit www.tivo.com/dst

    Thanks for being a TiVo subscriber and here's to a beautiful spring!

    - Your friends at TiVo

    TiVo, Season Pass(TM), and WishList® are trademarks or registered
    trademarks of TiVo Inc's subsidiaries. ©2007 TiVo Inc. 2160 Gold Street Alviso,
    CA 95002-2160. All rights reserved. Please feel free to review our
    Privacy Policy.
  • by ronys (166557) on Monday March 12, 2007 @09:12AM (#18315177) Journal
    Obviously, the closer you are to the equator, the smaller the difference between daylight hours in summer and winter.

    However, for those North/South of about 30 degrees, the difference is significant. Not to mention the (measured, reference unavailable) reduction in traffic accidents due to fewer people driving home from work in the dark.

  • by voice_of_all_reason (926702) on Monday March 12, 2007 @09:16AM (#18315221)
    Why don't we just set the clocks back 9 hours? Since Daylight Savings Time adds an hour of light, doing this will make it daytime all twenty-four hours. It's a win-win scenario!
  • by davmoo (63521) on Monday March 12, 2007 @09:17AM (#18315241)
    Anyone who thinks the decision to keep the US on DST, or increase the time it is on DST, has anything at all to do with energy savings is woefully naive at best. The US increased DST because of commercial interests involved in outdoor entertainment and business. And those commercial interests bought congresscritters to do their bidding.

    Any other government explanation is a lie. No exceptions.
  • In a word: No (Score:3, Insightful)

    by SwashbucklingCowboy (727629) on Monday March 12, 2007 @09:22AM (#18315295)
    DST isn't about saving energy because it doesn't. It's about adding an hour of sunlight at the end of the day so that people can go out and shop - thus using more energy, not less.

    There's a reason that American Chamber of Commerce has strongly support DST since it's inception.
  • by Peter Cooper (660482) * on Monday March 12, 2007 @09:24AM (#18315321) Homepage Journal
    In a 24 hour society, daylight savings is an absolute farce outside of the May->August period when it's possible to have 16 hours of daylight. If there's, say, 14 hours of daylight, then you have 2 hours of darkness in most peoples' days wherever you shift the timezones, and that's only the optimum outcome because millions wake up before daylight and millions stay up after it.

    If the government was really interested in "saving energy", it'd clamp down on emissions and fuel efficiency, and promote more effective techniques. Banning incandescent lighting and enforcing energy-saving bulb usage would strip several percent off of electricity demands year round and would cause a whole lot less annoyance than timezone changes. The EU and Australia have already figured this one out. [scotsman.com]
  • by twivel (89696) on Monday March 12, 2007 @09:26AM (#18315345)
    Ack! It's not worth it? All that extra time spent working to update our programs through the night and for no benefit?? And to make matters worse, those of us who spent time updating Java for DST might have been installing broken timezone data. See http://www.javasanity.org/article/7/thanks-for-the -time-sun [javasanity.org]
  • by smooth wombat (796938) on Monday March 12, 2007 @09:27AM (#18315361) Homepage Journal
    I can't remember specifically where I heard this (NPR?) but late last week a story came out detailing who would benefit and who wouldn't from the time change. One thing that came out was that by adjusting the time, there would be a longer period of sunlight for people to play golf in. Thus, more people = more greens fees = more profit!


    Whether or not this is true I have no idea but here is a link [go.com] from ABC from back in 2005 which says the exact same thing.

    Conspiracy? You decide.

  • by Shadowfoxmi (989969) on Monday March 12, 2007 @09:33AM (#18315439)
    It shouldn't be a law.. It should be up to the individual, weather or not, to follow DST.. like religious or political view. Also, It should be upto the individual, when to fall back or spring forward. [I would fall back while in bed and spring forward while at work, perhaps on a Monday morning, just like this.]
  • by flyingfsck (986395) on Monday March 12, 2007 @10:13AM (#18316039)
    I there were any savings, the stock prices of energy companies would have dropped...
  • by Electric Eye (5518) on Monday March 12, 2007 @10:47AM (#18316481)
    Psychologically, I feel a hell of a lot better when it's lighter out later. I know there are millions of people who have some sort of seasonal depression thing that are equally as delighted. I don't know if it saves any energy, but driving home from work when it's nice and bright out and being able to go for a nice walk or something in sunlight makes me happy.
  • The coldest hour (Score:4, Informative)

    by wytcld (179112) on Monday March 12, 2007 @11:10AM (#18316761) Homepage
    Here's the real loss:

    If you live in the northern US and are doing the responsible thing and turning your central heating down overnight, then getting up an hour earlier means you're turning the heat back up earlier. Why is this wasteful? Because on sunny days in March there's significant solar gain once the sun's up. In my house that can be enough that the heat doesn't even need to be turned on in the morning - unless we get up too early.

    In the evening, both the house and the outside environment lose their heat relatively slowly. The darkest hour isn't literally just before the dawn, but the coldest hour is. It's much better to spend the coldest hour under the covers - from an energy use point of view - than to get up during it or right on its tail and turn the furnace up to compensate.

    Of course, if the government just looks at electrical use, this may not show in areas that don't primarily use electric heat. The increase in oil and natural gas use though, from this idiocy, will be real and significant.
  • by skoda (211470) on Monday March 12, 2007 @11:17AM (#18316851) Homepage
    I love DST! I think we should be on it all year 'round.

    On a normal work schedule, DST gives me more sunlight when it matters most: in the evening when I'm home. It also preserves a bit more afternoon sunlight in the short, dark winter days.

    As for morning sunlight, I don't care. I'm getting up before sunrise much of the year anyway. I might as well suffer a bit there to have a better evening.
  • by theonetruekeebler (60888) on Monday March 12, 2007 @11:21AM (#18316917) Homepage Journal
    A few years ago the Wall Street Journal estimated that every year we lose billions in productivity worldwide this week, due to simple grogginess. Hundreds of millions wake up an hour earlier than usual then spend a week trying to adjust. It sucks complete ass.

    I have a toddler. Toddlers don't spring forward very well. Put them to bed an hour early and they'll spend two hours fighting it. Then get them up an hour early and see how happy they are to see you.

    Please, please, either ditch it completely or use it all year long. I really like having an extra hour of daylight to spend outside with the boy, the dog, and the missus.

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