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Dell Laptop Burns House Down 405

Nuclear Elephant writes "The Consumerist is running a story about a house burned down by a Dell laptop. 'My 130-year-old former farm house was engulfed in flames, with thick dark smoke pouring out of the windows and roof... Hours later, after investigation the fire marshal investigator took me aside asked me if I had a laptop computer. Yes — I told him I had a Dell Inspiron 1200.' It was determined that the laptop, battery, or cord malfunctioned after its owner left for work, leaving the fire to spread through the entire house. All attempts to contact Dell have failed. 'I have tried to call Dell to at least notify them of my problems, but each time I have called I get transferred into an endless loop of "Joe" or "Alan" all speaking a delectable version of English I presume emanates from Bangalore. I have been outright hung up on each time I get someone who speaks a reasonable version of English, or sounds like they might be in charge of something. Promises of call backs have gone, of course, unreturned.'"
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  • Slashdot fixed it! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Turn-X Alphonse ( 789240 ) on Sunday February 11, 2007 @12:56AM (#17969174) Journal
    I had some problems with getting Dell to complete my order (some recovery CDs were missing). I posted about it on Slashdot a few months back and got a reply from a US Dell employeee telling me to drop him a line and he'd help fix it (I'm in the UK) and try to his word after a couple of phone calls everything was sorted out and dandy.

    So before everyone starts ragging on Dell, remember there are at least a couple of good apples there.
  • Re:First post?? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 11, 2007 @12:59AM (#17969198)
    Don't go buying anything expensive with that 'first post cash'.
  • No surprise... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by evilviper ( 135110 ) on Sunday February 11, 2007 @01:11AM (#17969288) Journal
    I imagine this has happened many times before. It can just be hard to narrow down the cause to a single source.

    5 years ago, 6 out of 100 of our new 17" Dell monitors went up in flames, over the first 3 months. This was fortunately an office building with very high ceilings, so there was little risk. I've long imagined just how bad that could have been in a private home, with a low ceiling, and wall nearby. That experience alone stopped me from ever buying anything from Dell.

    All the articles on Notebook fires are very old news. Dell's been having fire problem with their entire product range for about the past 10 years. Passing it off as Sony's fault ignores Dell's long history of similar ocurances with all of their machines.

    Since it happened to me, I've been wonder when I'd hear about a class action against Dell, but it's never been forthcoming. I guess residential building fires can cover up the evidence pretty well. Sooner or later, it's going to have to come out.
  • by scdeimos ( 632778 ) on Sunday February 11, 2007 @01:14AM (#17969304)

    I know it's not a model listed on the https://www.dellbatteryprogram.com/ [dellbatteryprogram.com] website, but they do state many batteries were sent out as replacements too.

    Dell records the serial numbers on every single item they send out - computers, power bricks, batteries, software bundles - it's all there on their pick lists. Why is it that consumers have to contact Dell to find out if a particular item is under Recall status, why aren't Dell actively contacting them?

  • by thestuckmud ( 955767 ) on Sunday February 11, 2007 @01:26AM (#17969370)
    Maybe not, but I walked into a busy Apple store yesterday with a failing MacBook Pro battery, explained that it had a bulge, and walked out with a free replacement 15 minutes later. Makes me feel a little better about paying premium prices. BTW, they required me to show them the laptop.
  • Re:Too Bad, So Sad (Score:3, Interesting)

    by thopkins ( 70408 ) on Sunday February 11, 2007 @01:28AM (#17969386)
    His computer isn't on the list of computers with affected batteries.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 11, 2007 @01:38AM (#17969462)
    I wonder if this is a hoax. The Portland News site does not say anything about the cause of the fire. It does not even name the owner of the house. All we have is some guy named Dan (no last name) writing a letter to a blog claiming a Dell laptop burned down his house. Has anyone bothered to check the facts?
  • by anagama ( 611277 ) <obamaisaneocon@nothingchanged.org> on Sunday February 11, 2007 @01:44AM (#17969496) Homepage

    Second, Dell has issued a safety recall and anyone who has chosen not to participate is going to have a hard time winning a case. Third, the Inspiron 1200 wasn't one of the affected systems.
    So let me get this right. It's his fault because he didn't participate in a battery recall program in which he couldn't participate because his system wasn't on the recall list. You my friend, should consider running for public office.
  • by ringmaster_j ( 760218 ) on Sunday February 11, 2007 @02:13AM (#17969634)
    I'm Canadian, but I got to school in India. Almost everyone I meet speaks amazing English, with just a little bit of an accent. These are all people who are from Bombay or Bangalore, never left the country before (at least to go as far as North America) and havde really good technical skills. Yet instead of picking the well-educated, English-speaking middle class, these call centres instead hire slum dwellers and give them names like "Frank", and attempt to teach them how to speak like us. This training costs a lot, and is really unproductive. If they made an attempt to seek out my classmates, they'd have to pay them more, but they'd have to invest practically no time in "educating" them- they'd save money and produce a better product! GAHHHHHH!!! It's so simple, people!!!
  • Good luck! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Boltronics ( 180064 ) on Sunday February 11, 2007 @02:29AM (#17969720) Homepage
    I purchased a Dell XPS 1210 in Australia in November last year, with 3 Years (CompleteCover Guard) Theft insurance. I was typing on the laptop while sitting down at a local restaurant at a fancy part of town, when two big guys came running past the table and grabbed the laptop from behind.

    I chased the thieves two blocks before they were able to give me the slip. The whole thing was on security camera (in daylight), and the police informed me that they had a clear picture of the entire incident.

    When I reported the incident to Dell, they replied to me the next day via e-mail and said that my claim was rejected because there was no sign of force to the premises. I was stunned, and so went to read the policy. Yes, it said that "Theft of attempted theft not accompanied by forcible and violent entry" was excluded. I then noticed that the policy on the Dell website was somewhat different to the policy provided to me via hardcopy, but they both had a similar clause.

    Finally, I decided that if they wanted to get technical, I'd do the same. After carefully reading *both* policies, I noticed that they both had wording similar to "CompleteCover Service is only available with the purchase of a Dell Latitude or Inspiron portable computer, or Dimension or Optiplex or Precision desktop computer, or Axim PDA (The "Product") but is not necessary that you purchase CompleteCover Service to buy a Product from us."

    So what did I purchase? Obviously they had no document explaining exclusions for my XPS, since it appears they didn't have a valid policy!

    At one point, I was verbally informed that XPS was a Latitude. When I captured many screenshots of the website as evidence against this, Dell denied that this was ever stated.

    There were a few other arguable points I could have made, but in the end Dell just wouldn't listen. I only ever spoke to call centers in Asia where the accent was so thick it was hard to understand. I had one e-mail admit there might be a problem with the policy and they will try to fix it in the near future, and many apologies, but every e-mail always quoted "There was no theft of attempted theft not accompanied by forcible and violent entry". E-mails were sometimes hard to read due to invalid sentence structure.

    I have been advised not to try and fight this. I am quite broke (my wife is out of work, I am on a small income and only just paid the stolen laptop off), and feel powerless to do anything. I feel the best I can do is encourage people not to purchase anything from Dell. It sure seems like I'm not the only one with a bad experience.
  • Re:Pshaw! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by PatrickThomson ( 712694 ) on Sunday February 11, 2007 @06:28AM (#17970952)
    The impression I'm getting is that he's trying to warn them about the problem so it doesn't happen to anyone else. Though it is, perhaps, naieve to think that one fire will spark a product recall, how exactly are dell supposed to find out that N fires were caused by their stuff if only isolated random call center staff ever hear about it?
  • by luther2.1k ( 61950 ) on Sunday February 11, 2007 @06:35AM (#17970982) Homepage
    I'm really sorry for this chap's loss and, of course, there is no excuse for this kind of catastrophic and dangerous failure. However, if people need another reason to actually switch off their electronic equipment instead of putting it in sleep mode, this seems to be more compelling than what are, to many people, abstract notions of social responsibility (i.e. not wasting cumulatively vast amounts of electricity for the sake of a little convenience).
        It used to be the case, with old mainframes that used large tape or disk drives, that it would be more energy efficient to leave them on all the time as the start up phase used up so much energy. This simply isn't the case any more.

    When you've finished with your gadgets, switch the buggers off, It's not hard to do.

    Tim.
  • Re:I see the future (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jimicus ( 737525 ) on Sunday February 11, 2007 @07:37AM (#17971216)

    what else could they do?

    I don't know, they are a multi-million corporation, they sure have resources ($$$) to find a nice solution.

    It would be quite easy. IIRC, the UK website allowed you to just enter the service tag of your laptop - they could tell from that what serial number battery it had been shipped with, and whether or not it was affected.

    They also know who was shipped what laptops, as if you check the invoice for any recent Dell purchase you'll see it lists the service tags of the items you bought.

    It therefore follows that Dell could quite easily figure out the addresses of everyone who was shipped faulty batteries and write to them. Yet they didn't.
  • by massysett ( 910130 ) on Sunday February 11, 2007 @09:19AM (#17971636) Homepage
    Read the paperwork that comes with any Dell. There is an arbitration clause. Whether a court would enforce it is another question, and maybe suing them would still get their attention. But it's another hurdle to jump through.
  • by junglee_iitk ( 651040 ) on Sunday February 11, 2007 @01:40PM (#17973640)
    While I agree to the main point that Indian economy depends on foreign money so they should respect it, rest of your post reeks of misinformation.

    You guys in India are already under low wage pressure from Eastern Europe and Africa. Ain't that a crying shame.

    It has been stated countless number of times that the purchasing power of India is not too different from the "rich" western nations. Welcome to ECO101, you price depends on how much money your potential customers have (and want to spend). May be majority people don't earn as much money as average European or American, but it is better than not doing anything.

    Say hi to Pakistan for me. Assuming either of you are still around in 10 years.

    Say Hello to your ignorance. India has never invaded other country including Pakistan. Both Pakistani and Indian government know that they cannot attack each other. Any issue (Kashmir) is alive because of Pakistan's flaky democracy and rise in Islamic fanaticism. And America has more responsibility in promoting it than anyother country, because they stand for the statements of 'founding fathers'. There are more terrorist organisations aimed at USA than any one. America for the whole world including Europe, stands just for hypocrisy.

    Excuse me? We generate the intellectual property here, and outsource it to you. And most of that is generated by Americans. And lemme guess... "some dumb *enter nationality here*" translates to "some dumb non East Indian", right?

    You racist, arrogant pricks. But then I knew this already. I talked to you guys before we ended our BPO relationship with Mumbai & Bangalore. You look down on Americans - and a lot of others in this world - but you depend on us to buy your products.

    Hmm... you come up with ideas but don't have anyone to execute it. We have people but don't have any money to buy food, they will think about food than intellectual property. We do business. Big deal? Welcome again to ECO101.

    Not putting up any point but giving facts to point out how people are inferior because they are from East India, and then calling them racist. Are you surprised when you don't get the 'respect'?

    By the way, what product USA produces? America is rich because they sold weapons, NOT intellectual property. You have money and WE have product. That is something you said yourself.

    Racial outburst? Nope. But you sure as heck have it in for your women. How many baby girls have been aborted or strangled over there? Racial hatred is a monster all its own, but it doesn't light a candle against a misogynist culture that plays whack-a-mole with baby girls.

    You sir, are ignorant and intolerant of other cultures. You are too keen to point out vices of other cultures. Did you forget then times when you were riding horses? Did you forget when slavery was the norm? Did you forget when women didn't had the right to even vote? Did you forget that all this was accepted by government and was 'lawful'? Did you forget it was not more than 100 years ago?

    Indian government bans killing babies. It is banned to check the gender of an unborn baby. Bias on the basis of cast is banned. We had out prime-minister as a women. When was the last time it happend in USA? Let me think... never.
    India will cleanse of its vices. It needs time. But you are too busy calling them racist because they don't speak English in the same accent as you, and still take jobs that you would like to do, but are too arrogant to accept the terms at lower salary. This all because you have never been poor and hungry. How long did you think you would ride the benefits of renaissance?

    Okay, fine. If you're so much better, then build your tech industry yourself, without our help. Like we did. And yes, I know East Indians make up a large number of doctors and scientists in America, but feel free to shut them out of America if you wish. (They seem to come here m

  • by Travoltus ( 110240 ) on Sunday February 11, 2007 @08:49PM (#17977062) Journal

    Say Hello to your ignorance. India has never invaded other country including Pakistan. Both Pakistani and Indian government know that they cannot attack each other. Any issue (Kashmir) is alive because of Pakistan's flaky democracy and rise in Islamic fanaticism. And America has more responsibility in promoting it than anyother country, because they stand for the statements of 'founding fathers'. There are more terrorist organisations aimed at USA than any one. America for the whole world including Europe, stands just for hypocrisy.

    That wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking about the chance that neither India nor Pakistan will be around in 10 years.

    India and Pakistan have more than once nearly launched nukes at each other. Heck, they've been trash talking and engaging in some downright puerile nuclear penis waving for quite a while.

    Now, let the facts speak for me. And no, nothing in here contradicts what I just told you. Let's cut off that avenue of weaseling out now before you try it.
    http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/01/08/ pakistan.india/ [cnn.com]

    Hmm... you come up with ideas but don't have anyone to execute it. We have people but don't have any money to buy food, they will think about food than intellectual property. We do business. Big deal? Welcome again to ECO101.

    You keep referring to Econ 101. NEWS FLASH: humanity is more than the sum of its capitalist rhetorical skills. You passed neo feudalist rhetoric regurgitation 101 but you flunk out on the concept of seeing anything beyond dollars and cents.

    For instance, America has plenty of people to execute our ideas. When we come up with ideas, we start them here, with American workers, and thanks to the corporate statists who should be swinging from trees by now, we fire them and send the work overseas.

    America is one of the most productive nations in the world. Few nations top us even in per hour stats. Even the Chinese recognize that: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-09/01/con tent_260191.htm [chinadaily.com.cn]

    We execute our own ideas, and we're darned good at it. Kaboom goes another one of your America-bashing arguments.

    Now what's next? Let's see...

    Not putting up any point but giving facts to point out how people are inferior because they are from East India, and then calling them racist. Are you surprised when you don't get the 'respect'?

    I didn't say you were inferior.

    By the way, what product USA produces? America is rich because they sold weapons, NOT intellectual property. You have money and WE have product. That is something you said yourself.

    That's the whole point. We've sold out to globalism and put factories around the world instead of employing our own people to make it here.

    I say we bite the bullet and go back to producing our goods here in America. We can do it, and we have been doing it for a hundred years.

    We mass produced (for you semantically challenged trolls out there, mass produce != invent) cars, computers, the internet, everything we consumed, we made here. Until the globalists came along and put our collective economic gonads in a pickle jar.

    Sorry, dude, but it won't be the end of the world if you embargo us and refuse to produce for us. In fact, I and future generations of Americans would clamor to go back in time and kiss your stinky feet if you did that to us. The nation which mass produced airplanes, cars, computers and which invented the internet, would go right back to providing for ourselves. The job explosion would be utterly miraculous.

    I'm sure you could manage without our import money. Yay you.

    Hint: America taking care of its own for once, doesn't qualify as hating you or attacking you.

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