OLPC Says No Plans for Consumer Release 208
Gr88pe writes "The One Laptop Per Child product has clarified that they have not made a decision on whether or not to carry out a consumer release of the XO laptop, despite previous reports. From the article: 'OLPC told Ars Technica in a statement that the company has no plans for a consumer version of the laptop. "Contrary to recent reports, One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) is not planning a consumer version of its current XO laptop, designed for the poorest and most remote children in the world," said Nicholas Negroponte, OLPC chairman.' They are considering a number of plans, but have made no formal decision."
Well, which is it? (Score:5, Insightful)
I thought it wasn't for the really poor people. I thought the laptop was for countries that were sufficiently developed that they could focus on education as opposed to sanitation, starvation, etc.
Production (Score:5, Insightful)
Why the hell not, (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Well, which is it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Uh, education is the only answer to problems with sanitation, starvation, etc. If someone just comes in and does things for you, then you become dependent on them. It's been shown in the past that when you give a lot of food away, people produce less food, people are healthier, people are more able to reproduce... and their ability to produce food is decreased while their need for food is increased.
But if you instead educate people and teach them the values of sanitation, the dangers of unprotected sex, new methods of food cultivation, production, preparation, and preservation... then you have given them a gift which will benefit them every day, inform their every action, and which they can pass on to their children.
Education is the only solution to the problems of the third world. We cannot solve their problems for them. Even if we solved every problem we would have created a world full of dependents. If that's really what you want, then by all means focus on just giving the necessities of daily life to people.
I'm not saying we shouldn't give people food - but what I am saying is that we shouldn't give people food (or anything else) without giving them education and that education is the most valuable gift we can give them.
Re:Production (Score:5, Insightful)
If that is true, then they are probably having problems with production already. Instead of giving away a laptop for each one purchased, they could use that money to improve production capacity, to do research on further cost reductions, or to pay for additional software development. It doesn't necessarily have to be a buy-two-get-one scheme to be useful.
I too think it may be good (Score:4, Insightful)
If the use an application of these things are considerably more limited and not general purpose, then that could go a long way to prevent their abuse.
Re:Well, which is it? (Score:5, Insightful)
What I am trying to say is that although education is certainly the only way to solve the problems in the third-world, I am still not sure if OLPC is the best way to provide that education.
Re:That just seems dumb... (Score:1, Insightful)
People demand free cars.
Should Ford step up to the plate?
Bullshit (Score:3, Insightful)
Also, if you want to know who he's talking to, read any other Slashdot post about the OLPC. He's talking to every person on Slashdot who said "you idiot, this isn't for bare-means countries in Africa, it's for countries like Libya and Brazil." in response to anyone pointing out that starving people have little use for a computer. So which is it, Slashdot? THAT'S his question.
Someone should design a PDA (Score:3, Insightful)
I agree that the OLPC is designed well and sounds really cool, but in practice I think most people in the developed world would be hard-pressed to find actual uses for it. Our youth shouldn't be trained on a specially-designed OS that has little relation to actual OS's when we can afford simple windows, linux, or OSX based desktops. Most adults wouldn't be caught outside using this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OLPC-XO_in_Col
Re:Why the hell not, (Score:4, Insightful)
1. Selling the same model would undermine the social-disapproval mechanism the project hopes will discourage a gray market in the OLPC machines; which is why the program has often said they are looking at making a distinctive derivative version of the machine for individual sale.
2. The price point is controlled by the fact that they aren't supporting an infrastructure for individual sales/support/etc., only selling to national ministries of education in enormous lots. Paying twice the cost that governments were buying them for in bulk wouldn't be enough to support commercial individual sale and have excess "profit" to subsidize delivering one to the developing world.
The problem is distribution (Score:1, Insightful)
There went all the cost savings they gained by only supporting large purchases.
By only supporting large sales, they can pack, sell, and ship these computers by the container. Load the container onto a train at the factory (or truck to a train), then to a shipping port, and ship to final destination country.
Far simpler and more economical.
Chanel Conflict... (Score:5, Insightful)
Personally, I would consider converting my home server to one of these OLPCs. A couple hundred MHz, a couple USB ports for storage, and low power usage sound about right.
You want what you can't have (Score:2, Insightful)
Focus on your Core Competancy (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Well, which is it? (Score:2, Insightful)
What you (and everyone else who say this kind of thing fail to realize) is that whether this is the "best" method for giving them education is irrelevant. The people behind this project are hackers -- their area of expertise is computers, so computers is what their project is damn well going to be about! It's not a choice between this and some other hypothetical solution; it's a choice between this and nothing at all.
So seriously, if you think you can do a better job, do it yourself. Otherwise, shut the fuck up because you have no right to criticize!
Re:Someone should design a PDA (Score:4, Insightful)
90% of "computing" work involves writing documents. This would do fine for the purpose. As it would for chatting, e-mail, and a lot of web browsing.
Most adults wouldn't be caught outside using this:
I seem to recall Apple selling quite a few clamshell iBooks. If anything, this is a bit more elegant and tasteful. I'd certainly buy one or two.
-b.
Re:Well, which is it? (Score:4, Insightful)
No, they aren't. They aren't designed for use in rural areas with limited power and other infrastructure, the OLPC machines are. Further, the used computers aren't to one standard, the OLPC machines are, which enables national ministries of education buying them to support them more easily, and have standard software and content that works the same on all of them. Etc.
Not much, if at all.
Actually, they'd be far less use. They aren't designed for the use they'd be put to, they often aren't reliable to start with, they don't present a common, open platform. They don't, unlike the OLPC machines, have keyboards specific to the receiving country to accommodate national languages. In short, they are nearly, if not entirely, useless for the role that the OLPC machines are targetted for.
Re:Well, which is it? (Score:5, Insightful)
The post above mine was talking about how "education" is the only answer to solving the misery in the third-world, not free food or free service for sanitation. And although I agree to his points about education, I don't think that OLPC is a synonym to "education" (YET, at least). And although I definitely approve (Not that it matters) and appreciate the OLPC concept, that does not mean that I think that OLPC is the best way to provide education at this point and time.
It's like saying that although drinking soda is better than not drinking any liquid at all, but it's still not as good as drinking water.
idealism * reality = crime (Score:2, Insightful)
Free Market Delusion (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Well, which is it? (Score:2, Insightful)
Lots of kids teach themselves to read. Through osmosis? Precisely. Did someone teach you how to talk? walk? No. Tens of millions of children learn to talk their native language every year, without any formal instruction, just by "osmosis" as you call it. They learn to walk largely the same way, with some help to avoid injuring themselves. Would kids start walking without all the fancy crap we have to help them learn? Well, humans seem to have done just fine for the first couple million years, so I'd say yes.
Do people need to be taught to learn? Not in a joke. Humans are born learning machines: it is, simply put, what we do, what evolution has equipped us for. For you to say that children are born incapable of learning and somehow need to be taught to do so is simply ludicrous, and flies in the face of every shred of available evidence.
You are right to say that basic needs are obviously a first priority. And a child who starts with more advantages ends up better off. But that doesn't mean that anyone needs a formalized education in order to learn, even to learn to read (which, let's face it, isn't that complex). Formalized education does not have a monopoly on learning. Giving kids laptops, and access to the Internet, however rudimentary, is vastly increasing the amount of information they have access to, and can learn by osmosis, just because they think it's interesting. It's not a panacea, but it's a fantastic idea.
Make the 200% version a different colour (Score:3, Insightful)
OLPS wants it to fail (Score:1, Insightful)
Some people here are advocating to sell the $150 laptop for $300, but that's destined to fail too. Remember: price is subjective, so people will only buy the laptop is they think they'll have some value in it.
At $300, most people here will simply buy used Thinkpads off ebay, and at $300, many people in developing countries are likely to sell their cheap $150 machines to developed countries.
OLPC: please learn some business and economics.