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Keyboards Are Disgusting 526

fredr1k writes " A test carried out by Pegasus Lab on account for Swedish magazine PC För alla showed that a normal PC keyboard was infected by more bacteria than a normal toilet seat. More specific it contained 33000 bacteria per square centimeter, compared to 130 on a ordinary toilet seat. The tests also showed occurrence of up to 3100 fungi per square centimeter." Also note that unless you read Swedish, you still have plausible deniability when asked to windex yours.
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Keyboards Are Disgusting

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  • Makes sense (Score:5, Insightful)

    by wombatmobile ( 623057 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @10:22AM (#14499021)

    The parts that touch the toilet seat are mostly shielded from bacteria by two layers of cloth.

    Fingers, on the other hand, frequently stray to the places where bacteria flourish.

  • by riflemann ( 190895 ) <riflemann@@@bb...cactii...net> on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @10:24AM (#14499032)
    People often make this comparison: "XXX is dirtier than a toilet seat!"

    Very bad comparison. Toilet seats are generally disinfected quite often, so should in fact be pretty clean. Keyboards are not disinfected.

    Many things are dirtier than a toilet seat. Especially things that get fingers on them all day long. Engage brain and it all becomes quite obvious.
  • by Travoltus ( 110240 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @10:24AM (#14499036) Journal
    in the long term.

    A recent study showed that kids who lived on the farm in Germany (or some other European country) grew up with stronger immune systems than those who lived in the cities.

    That means the study suggests that they're more resistant to viruses and bacteria than the city folk.
  • Bacteria (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @10:26AM (#14499058)
    I think it just shows the fact that most bacteria are harmless. Freaks of cleanliness should especially take notice, there's a balance to be struck between chemical agents and bacterial activity. I'd wager that the body is more tolerant to bacteria than it is to Spick&Span.
  • by negaluke ( 893108 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @10:28AM (#14499080)
    good thing us geeks are protected from the teeming microbial masses by a thin film of antibacterial (aka cool ranch) dorito shavings and cheeto sprinklin's that reside in our keyboards.
  • by crovira ( 10242 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @10:28AM (#14499087) Homepage
    After a while people tend to suffer from 'statistics burn-out' and become innumerate.

    I think a taste test (and a tetanus shot) should be an option.
  • Who cares? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TomorrowPlusX ( 571956 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @10:34AM (#14499135)
    As far as I'm concerned, the *world* is filthy, and millions of years of evolution have allowed us to live healthily ( mostly ) in it. It's part of being alive. And the more we're exposed, the stronger we are for it.

    I'm not surprised that keyboards are filthy, but frankly, when I was a kid wandering around in creeks hunting crawfish, climbing trees, etc etc I never got sick, and I (almost) never get sick as an adult.

    We *need* this exposure. I'm worried for children growing up in sterilized environments today.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @10:49AM (#14499272)
    As soon as you eat off of the toilet seat at your place of employment I'll believe that you believe that statement.
  • by kiatoa ( 66945 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @10:54AM (#14499325) Homepage
    Careful with the air compressor. Gentle puffs blow out dust, a blast can wedge dust, crumbs, boogers etc. deep into contacts and other places where they might do more damage than if just left alone. Just speaking from experience here :(
  • by SausageOfDoom ( 930370 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @11:01AM (#14499400)
    I don't know about laptop keyboards, but for my desktop I use ~£3 keyboards from Dabs and replace them after a year or two.

    I used to go through the whole thing of using wipes, cotton wool buds, alcohol-based cleaner, compressed air and tweezers. But you know, I spent more money on that than it cost to get a new keyboard, not to mention the amount of time I wasted, and even at the end it wouldn't be as clean as a new one.

    Not the most environmentally friendly method, but at least I have a lot of spare keyboards.
  • by jc42 ( 318812 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @11:20AM (#14499605) Homepage Journal
    An average toiletseat is apparently more hygienic than an average kitchencounter.

    Generally. But maybe it's time to mention again the research reports [ucdavis.edu] starting in the mid 90s saying that wooden cutting boards are the most sterile surfaces.

    These studies have now been repeated by a number of labs. You can find them by googling for "cutting-board bacteria", which right now gets 88,400 hits.

    Some of the reports describe smearing a board with bacterial cultures, culturing them overnight in a warm, moist incubator, and in the morning finding all the bacteria dead. (But they don't recommend treating your cutting boards that way.)

    There has been a bit of hypothesizing about this. One suggestion from botanists starts with the fact that plants don't have immune systems. The wood in a tree is dead and can't repair itself. So how does a tree manage to live for centuries without being devoured by bacteria? The idea is that woody plants have evolved ways of filling the dead wood cells with gunk that inactivates or kills bacteria and fungi. But further research is needed.

    Anyway, one conclusion from this is that you are better off using dense woods for cutting boards and counter tops. The inevitable cracks and scratches will contain far fewer bacteria than surfaces of other tested materials.

    What I wonder is why I haven't read any comparisons between wooden cutting boards and toilet seats. Maybe the toilet manufacturers have discovered a better bacteria- and fungus-killing material than maple wood.

    What I want is a wooden keyboard, of nice maple or cherry wood. I wonder if anyone makes them? Hey, why not ask google? Yep - there are several manufacturers. Some of them look really pretty. Maybe I'll get one.

  • by alicenextdoor ( 910558 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @11:22AM (#14499619)
    That's what your immune system is for! Seriously, have you ever heard of anyone getting sick from a keyboard? There's a really scary tendancy these days to think that all bacteria are evil, and if one ever comes near you you'll die horribly. In fact, there are more baacterial cells in and on the human body than there are human ones. Everything you touch is covered in bacteria. Most of them are harmless, some are beneficial (you couldn't live without your gut flora), and a few are pathogenic, but even pathogenic ones are unlikely to exist on a keyboard in sufficient numbers to harm a healthy adult.

    Over-use of anyibacterials encourages the spread of resistance [who.int], and may even lead to conditions such as asthma [parenthood.com].

  • by Andrzej Sawicki ( 921100 ) <ansaw@poczta.onet.pl> on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @11:26AM (#14499658)
    The reason is no mystery. My 6 months old keybord does not stink. My toilet seat after two weeks of not cleaning it, on the other hand...
  • Duh. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by danpsmith ( 922127 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @11:31AM (#14499707)
    a normal PC keyboard was infected by more bacteria than a normal toilet seat.

    Why are people surprised by findings such as this one?

    Obviously the toilet seat has less germs. Everyone associates "grossness" with germs in their head. Going to the bathroom is gross, and fecal matter is gross, therefore it must be full of germs and bacteria. Not the case, in fact, quite the opposite.

    There are more bacteria on your face, more bacteria on your hands and more bacteria in your mouth than your buttocks in most cases.

    Just put in the context of contact with the germ filled world you can see by common sense why this would be true:

    Your rear end gets washed and then has very little exposure to germs. Your hands and face are out there all day making contact with all types of bacteria.

    So I guess my point is that you can't say keyboards are dirty just because they are more bacteria filled than a toilet seat, because I don't even think a door knob holds up to that standard.

    Now common sense would also side with keyboards being rather bacteria filled, but I hardly would consider that comparison to be an indicator.

  • by WidescreenFreak ( 830043 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @11:43AM (#14499817) Homepage Journal
    Actually, what you state has some scientific backing.

    I heard it on the news last year that some German (?) scientist recommended eating nose mucous. As he stated, the nose is the only organ of the body that for the most part does not have a self-cleaning mechanism. The purpose of the mucous is believed to be (among other things) the entrapment of bacteria and other undesirables that would otherwise have entered the body.

    By picking, we provide the nasal passages with a method of cleaning to provide new mucous and by -- ugh -- eating we introduce the bacteria into our systems that were otherwise trapped, thus allowing our immune systems to learn about it and, more importantly, learn to defeat it.

    I actually discussed this a few days later with a friend of mine who's an Emergency Medical Technician and was a medic in the Army Reserves. After hearing the doctor's explanation, he agreed that it all makes sense. The immune system can't practice its self-defense if it doesn't have any targets to destroy.

    Personally, I'll take my chances with the keyboard instead. :)
  • by Gonarat ( 177568 ) * on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @12:01PM (#14499979)

    Does the seat stink, or does the bowl? Seriously, the only thing that should be touching the seat is butt cheeks -- the nasty stuff goes through the hole and into the bowl. And since (for guys) the seat goes up for a pee, the seat justs needs a clorox wipe once in awhile to keep it clean. The bowl on the other hand...

    I can see why a keyboard can get so many germs. There's no telling where those hands have been, and anything on the fingers ends up on the keys.

  • Re:Makes sense (Score:2, Insightful)

    by gEvil (beta) ( 945888 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @12:12PM (#14500085)
    I find it very interesting when I encounter people that are totally meticulous, yet leave the seat up when they're done.
  • by Braino420 ( 896819 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @12:14PM (#14500108)
    Ya, I'll never understand the people who go to take shit and first wipe the seat down and then put one of the covers on... and when done they walk right out of the bathroom without washing their hands. Makes me think they eat with their asses.

    And no I'm not spying on people in the bathroom, just taking a shit in the other stall.
  • by Golias ( 176380 ) on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @12:22PM (#14500188)
    The mystery isn't that everything else is so dirty, it's that toilet seats are so clean!

    No mystery there at all.

    Hands have more bacteria on them than asses. The hand is, by far, the dirtiest part of the human body, because it's the part we touch everything with.

    This is true even for obsessive-compulsive hand-washers who use lots of anti-bacterial products. They just have tougher bacteria on their hands.

    So something which you smear your hands on all the time (like a keyboard) is going to be dirtier than something you sit on with your bare ass (like a toilet seat.) I agree with the granparent post that this is all very, very old news.
  • by belmolis ( 702863 ) <billposerNO@SPAMalum.mit.edu> on Wednesday January 18, 2006 @12:42PM (#14500384) Homepage

    Not to mention the fact that all that food and drink consumed over the keyboard provide a nice, nutricious environment for bacteria.

For God's sake, stop researching for a while and begin to think!

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