Leaked Pictures of Socket F 267
Robbedoeske writes "Dutch language site Tweakers.net has the first pictures of AMD's Socket F, aka Socket 1207. This socket introduces support for DDR 2 memory and some say it will offer the ability for a integrated PCI Express controller on the cpu. Socket F is meant to be used in systems with more than one Opteron cpu."
Re:Is that a ball grid array I see (Score:1, Informative)
Translation (Score:5, Informative)
The photographs furthermore show that Socket F, as Intel's Socket 775, will feature pins that make contact witht he processor. This is a so-called LGA socket: the CPU will no longer feature pins that have to be pushed into the socket. Socket F is also called Socket 1207, but carefull counting reveals that the socket only features 1206 pins. This socket supports DDR II 533-, 667- and 800MHz memory and this allows AMD to compete with Intel's FB-DIMM plans. The latter is scheduled to introduce its dual-core Dempsey platform in April, featuring the Greencreek chipset with support for FB-DIMM memory.
Re:PGA (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Someone trasnslate the article (Score:5, Informative)
The first photos of AMD's Socket F have emerged on our Gathering of Tweakers
forum. In May we wrote that AMD had a new processor socket on its roadmap. The
new footprint should have 1207 pins and is intended for multi-Opteron servers.
To make possible a processor with support for DDR memory on a DDR2-footprint
and vice-versa a new socket was needed. The extra pins that are available are
according to reports for an integrated PCI-Express controller on the
processors. Noticeable in the photos is the clear separation in the middle of
the socket. This seems to indicate that each core of the dual-core Opteron has
its own group of pins, and so works as two processors.
Re:Is that a ball grid array I see (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17652 [theinquirer.net]
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17681 [theinquirer.net]
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17709 [theinquirer.net]
More than you would care to know about LGA.
-Charlie
Re:Well, all I have to say to that is.... (Score:3, Informative)
And the fish says...
On our forum Gathering or Tweakers the first photograph of AMD's Socket f has emerged. In May we wrote all that AMD new processorsocket on its roadmap had put. The new voetstuk 1207 connection points would count and is intended for multi-Opteron-servers.
Re:Blast the gaming scene... (Score:5, Informative)
You still can find some products "made in DDR" though.
Re:AMD Beating The Crap Out Of Intel? (Score:4, Informative)
Initially I think you have to consider exactly what Apple is trying to achieve. IBM won't play ball with Apple's laptop designs, and the powerbooks (as much as I love 'em) are being left behind, pretty badly, by X86 stuff. Intel mobile chips, as nearly as I can tell, offer the very best performance per watt of mobile solution at the high end (The G4 still kicks the crap out of 'em at comparable speeds, but since the fastest mobile G4 Mac you can get is 1.67 Ghz, it's a moot point).
And one thing that the geek community loses sight of is that when we talk about AMD 'kicking the crap out of Intel', it's on a pass/fail basis; overall, they have traded the 'speed lead' several times since the initial offering of the Athlon, and rarely has one lead the other, in dollars per MIP, by more than 3-5%; since most websites that do comparative benchmarks trim the chaff so you can see the difference, the average page scanning consumer or geek gets a warped impression. If we have a scale that's 1000 units long, and Intel's chip does 990, and the AMD chip does 995, and we only show the last 10, it looks like the AMD is twice as fast, when it's really only
Application also matters. For instance, I do a lot of recording with pro hardware and software. The fact is that most of the software is optimized for the Intel chips much more so than the AMD, so in side-by-sides, I see about 20% better performance for the same hardware and software on my P4 over my Athlon. In some cases as much as 200-300%; I assume that those are REALLY optimized for the P4. But if I run up games on the two machines, the Athlon is 5-10% faster across the board (With the same video card).
small mistake (Score:3, Informative)
Second paragraph:
Furthermore the photo's show that the Socket F (just like the intel socket 775) is equipped with pins making contact with the processor. The CPU will no longer be pinned down into the socket, but the socket is an LGA socket. Meticulous counting showed that the socket F, also called socket 1207, only has 1206 contacts, just like the Socket 479 only had 498. This CPU socket also supports DDR II 533-, 667-, and 800 memory, being AMD's shot at competition with Intel's FB-dimm plans. The latter [Intel] will present its dual-core platform 'Dempsey' in April, with among others the Greenrcreek chipset with FB DIMM support.
Re:Tools? (Score:3, Informative)
Either way, the point the poster was making is moot. Intel changes their sockets just as much as AMD, and the new CPU's (with the pins on the board) go in almost the same way mechanically as the ones with pins- put CPU in, pull down on a lever of some sort. I don't see how or why AMD would have to "get with Intel" on this issue.