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Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Today? 163

TheAdmin writes "A few years ago the first Linux-based Zaurus, the SL-5500, was released for some $600 by Sharp. Today, it only costs $140 in some places online. This article at TuxTops reviews the 5500 from the point of view of trying to figure out how this model fares against today's PDAs and if it's still a good purchase after all these years, especially at this low price. And so I bought one recently because I needed a full-fledged pocket Linux at my workplace where I work as an admin. I just added a $30 Linksys WCF12 WiFi card (works out of the box after upgrading the SL-5500 ROM to version 3.10) which I use with SSH and by utilizing Zaurus' thumb-board. Works great and it's much more portable than a laptop, especially when all you need is some email and SSH on the go."
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Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Today?

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  • by papaia ( 652949 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:02PM (#13160512)
    Unlike the more popular x86 platforms, this has never been the object of upgrades ;( I would love to hear about what new stuff could be done, to revive my basement-forgotten Zaurusl. Last QT-based upgrade I had done totally killed it, in regards to functionality ...
  • Feels like yesterday (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Jeet81 ( 613099 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:03PM (#13160523)
    I remember when Sharp released their Zaurus it was not available in the US and I wanted it real bad and it did cost around $500. But then I opted for phone/PDA and have been happily living life ever since.
  • How great and modular these systems are...I've done "Linux mods" on everything I could from X-Boxen to PDA's and they always turn out for the better. I have to wonder why, besides the obvious pressure from microsoft to be "standard", more companies haven't switched to linux for mobile and embedded systems. I mean besides the obvious legal juggernaut SCO leaning over their shoulders. ;)
  • by MarkJenkins ( 902580 ) <mark@parit.ca> on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:22PM (#13160663) Homepage
    Does anyone know where Sharp tells their customer's about the GNU General Public License? Bash and Linux are licensed under this particular license. I've researched this question quite a bit and still haven't figured it out where.
  • Seriously, any of the old Palm 4.x devices are still a "Good Investment". Unfortunatly I bought a Sony one, GREAT battery life, lousy software support (I had to ditch it since I couldn't actually get ahold of a copy of Palm Desktop that worked with it!)

    Also the entire "loses everything in memory upon losing battery power" thing bit me in the butt numerious times (especially without the afore mentioned sync software).

    If someone released a good 320x240 Greyscale PDA running a Palm4.x type OS that used Flash memory, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

    Heck with today's silicon manufacturing processes, I can only imagine how many CENTS the CPU back in those older Palm's would cost to make now days.

    Oh and the 16MB of ram wouldn't exactly cost a lot either.

    I don't need an MP3 player, I don't need a video player, the e-book applications are cool though (woot!), and I don't need WiFi access. I want something that I can fit in my pocket and use to jot crud down.
  • by Alex Belits ( 437 ) * on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:30PM (#13160731) Homepage

    I use it as a GPS and a music player in my car [livejournal.com], and it works as a SIP phone [livejournal.com] (though the choice of codecs is limited by a slow CPU, and apparently some people have problems with making it work).

    And, of course, it's a regular PDA with addressbook/calendar/todo/notes, web browser (konqueror), ssh, etc.

  • Re:SL-5500 sucks (Score:2, Interesting)

    by braeburn ( 837058 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:32PM (#13160744)
    Agreed - I just sold mine on eBay. It rated highly on the hackability scale, but pretty low on the usability scale.

    For one thing, trying to install one of the open-source linux distros on it was like trying to install linux on a PC circa 1998 - ultimately frustrating.

    Basic installation was easy, but after that you had to tweak, and tweak, and tweak. Neither of the two main distros (GPE and OPIE) come with a web browser in the default installation, so you must install them separately. OPIE had a version of konquerer that I couldn't install for about 2 weeks as the package dependencies couldn't be found in the openzaurus package repository. Proceed to google groups and start searching for threads to solve the issue. Once konquerer was installed, it sucked. It would crash constantly, to the point of being unusable.

    So, want to try GPE? Well, until the latest release a few months ago, suspend/resume didn't work right on the Zaurus, which basically made it unusable.

    Want to sync the Zaurus with a PC? You can tweak a bunch of config files and settings to try to get multisync working if you're running GPE, and even then syncronization is spotty. Running OPIE? You could sync fine, if you wanted to use the somewhat outdated Qtopia Desktop as your PIM software on the desktop.

    Did you remember to install a hack that puts your root filesystem onto removable memory, like an SD card? No? Whoops - you're out of internal memory space! Start again!

    The Zaurus probably would have given a much better experience if I'd had some idea of the state of Linux on the Zaurus - I had expected it to behave a lot like a modern linux distro on a PC. As it is, the learning curve for establishing even basic functionality (like getting a working web browser and some kind of sync solution up and running) was so steep that a month after I got it, I was still trying to work out the kinks.

    Well, it was fun to play with if you like to tinker, anyway.
  • by sholden ( 12227 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:35PM (#13160767) Homepage
    I wrote some VoIP with pretty pictures stuff for the Zaurus (and the Ipod) last year. I think we used an SL-6500 though.

    It's a PDA but I left it plugged in at my office - and sshed to it from home and used X11 forwarding to do GUI development on it from home (it was a python GUI but the libraries were sufficiently different to mean running it on the linux desktop machine wasn't close enough).

    It seemed like a good idea at the time...

    I even compiled some stuff on it, when I couldn't be bothered jumping through the hoops required to cross compile a python library. Compiling on the little Zaurus while you use your P4 desktop to read email is a strange allocation of resources.

  • zerg (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Lord Omlette ( 124579 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:39PM (#13160788) Homepage
    For the people posting, "zOMG, 5500 is horrible", what PDA w/ WiFi + SSH would you recommend instead?
  • Re:zerg (Score:3, Interesting)

    by fiddlesticks ( 457600 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:55PM (#13160884) Homepage
    nokia 770 [nokia.com] (ships sept-dec 2005)

    wifi, bluetooth, gnome, linux

    'The Nokia 770 Internet Tablet's software is upgradeable and currently runs on the Linux-based Internet Tablet 2005 software edition.'
  • by Adam9 ( 93947 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:02PM (#13160945) Journal
    I just got my SL-5500 a week or two ago and I've had a lot of fun with it. I flashed it with OpenZaurus and bought a SD card and a Linksys CF Wifi card (WCF12) for it. I wanted to put the newest packages on it, but the package manager refused to install to my SD card. After some research, I stumbled upon the Hentges ROM [hentges.net]. After installing that, I tried out CardFS [hentges.net]. CardFS is a default install containing a lot of very useful programs. It's designed for people with extra storage space on their CF/SD card. It made everything much simpler. Check out the screenshots [hentges.net] for it.

    Some of the things I've done with it recently:
    - Connected to my desktop via VNC
    - Used GAIM at work while all of our machines were down because we were moving offices
    - Used it to ssh to my machine to monitor my X10 logs while outside of the house to see the range of the X10 motion sensors
  • Re:SL-5500 sucks (Score:2, Interesting)

    by E8086 ( 698978 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:05PM (#13160960)
    Interesting experiences, did you get it new or used? I've had no problems with mine.
    no speaker- it has a headphone/mic combo jack
    battery- the manual claims 10hrs, I get 2-2.5hrs with wireless card and have never been away from the docking station long enough to fully drain it with the non-media player apps. The display is clearily visable with the light on setting 2 of 5, saves power.
    serial- mine has a USB docking station, do you have the SL-5500D the earlier Developer model?
    crashing- never happened to me, I'm using the v3 Sharp rom

    I've had mine for 23months, got it new for $195
    It's great, used evey day for scheduling, mini-office apps, email, games, media player(mp3&mpeg1) and wireless connection. I get 2-2.5hrs with the AmbiCom WL110C-CF, make sure you get a low power card or you may end up with only 30min to an hour.
    There are plenty of accessories; bluetooth, external keyboard, external monitior, gps, make sure they're compatable, SD&CF slots. And more than enough free/low cost software: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ [killefiz.de]

    Cons: it's only 206MHz with 32MB each for RAM and internal storage, some apps will only install to internal storage, so got a 1GB SD and 256MB CF cards. But what do you expect from a 4yr old machine?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:20PM (#13161060)
    The Linux hype has claimed another vicitim. It's really unfortunate because now how many companies are going to ship a handheld with Linux?

    The awful truth is.. Linux isn't perfect or the best for everything. The simple truth is the time wasn't ready. The software development needed atleast 2 more years for it to truely be a competitor to the Microsoft PocketPC. The true believers and rabid zealots would never believe Linux isn't ready. They had to pressure and push out an immature product that seriously stink against microsoft. Now what's the future? Linux has no shot. No other companies are going to take such a gamble or spend millions in R&D to get it up to speed.

    I hope some of the Linux zealots out there will wake up after this fiasco. We really had the perfect opportunity to shine, but it was just too early. Too many people in the community have blinders on and aren't willing to objectively look at the current state of linux development.

    My $400 Sharp is gathering dust in my basement. I will be happy if I can get $75 for it on Ebay.
  • by Wooky_linuxer ( 685371 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:22PM (#13161075)

    well, it's still not available, but it seems to be one heck of a Linux PDA. 800x480 16bit screen, dual wireless - that's wifi and bluetooth builtin. Oh, and it is supposed to be 802.g, not 802.b, as 110% of the others PDAs that have some kind of wireless access.

    I wish it had a snappier CPU (200MHz ARM9) and more memory (64MB RAM). Also, CompactFlash support would be great, but it will sport RS-MMC, for compability with current Symbian Nokia phones. Or so I'm told.

    A good review here: http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2005/06/jko ntherun_gues.html [blogs.com]
    and the official page: http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,74866,00.html [nokia.com]

  • Re:zerg (Score:2, Interesting)

    by E8086 ( 698978 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:25PM (#13161092)
    my post was "the Zaurus 5500 is great"
    Get a plain low power 802.11b wireless card, no memory or bluetooth, just wireless. Fancy extra stuff uses too much power and the extra cheap ones use too much power. I got an AmbiCom WL1100C-CF from BestBuy for $45 that gets 2-2.5hrs of wireless depending on signal strength. It's the same with cell phones, lower signal results in the device having to use more power to boost its signal.
  • by Storm ( 2856 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:34PM (#13161169) Homepage
    I've owned or used PDAs for years (Palm III, V, M500, Tungsten), and bought the Zaurus for $140 from a friend who never used it. (My Tungsten had a high-pitched whine that made it nearly unusable, and Palm was useless in resolving it.) It was the best hardware purchase I have ever made in its class. I not only have the functionality of all of the palms I ever owned, but the added capabilities like real games, mp3s, watching movies, and especially being able to get online (I'm actually posting this from my 5500 sitting in a Paneras) give me new levels of functionality I never dreamed of with the palm.

    I also do security for a living, and used the Z for wireless sniffing, vpn, and so forth. Best of all, since its Linux-based, there is an existing infrastructure of free/opensource software, much of which can be adapted to run on the Zaurus, and an excellent support community.

    I'm thinking of buying a secondone in case anything happens to this one.

    If you have the chance to get one and are even remotely interested in Linux, jump on it...
  • Re:zerg (Score:2, Interesting)

    by ChefJoe ( 808832 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:34PM (#13161172)
    I've had very good luck with my Sony Clie TJ-37. It did what Palm never did and brough wifi to the mainstream ($ rather than $$$) Palm OS devices. It's worked fine, after that one RMA. 802.11b, speaker, nice screen, a camera, if only it didn't use memory stick media it'd be perfect... well, if they still made them. http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=1933 [bargainpda.com]
  • Re:SL-5500 sucks (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Trogre ( 513942 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @09:33PM (#13161907) Homepage

    No speaker. That sucks.
    Horrendous battery life.
    It would crash every couple of days ...


    That, my friend is where the SL-5600 comes in.

    IMO it's everything the SL-5500 should have been, what with the inbuilt microphone, faster processor, more memory, better HWR, etc.

  • Re:SL-5500 sucks (Score:3, Interesting)

    by demachina ( 71715 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @09:35PM (#13161919)
    USB Host controller is the biggest thing missing IMHO. If you had that it would be a lot more interesting. Pretty sure the USB support is client only. Is there a CF or SD USB Host which would be nice but still sucks versus a built in USB host?

    Integrated wifi is #2. The plugin wifi cards suck all the power all the time.

    My opinion of most PDA's and cell phones trying to be PDA's, the screens are just to small to browse the web and aren't even very good for email.

    Add on to this wifi isn't reliably available, in the U.S. the cell phone soviet ministries charge an arm and a leg for data access, and most cell phones are excruciatingly closed in what you run on them, you can see why mobile devices in the U.S. tend to be, as they say in Texas, all hat and no cattle.

    Me personally I'm sick of batteries and chargers. How many bloody chargers do you have laying around, used and unused all of which do the same thing slightly differently. What a waste.
  • usb foldup pda (Score:2, Interesting)

    by paxmark1 ( 636441 ) on Tuesday July 26, 2005 @04:00AM (#13163287)
    What I want is a pda and a fold up usb keyboard to take minutes of meetings with. No mp3. wireless nice, but not needed. Just give me good battery life and a one year warranty.

    Just cannot find it.

    peace, mark

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