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Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Today? 163

TheAdmin writes "A few years ago the first Linux-based Zaurus, the SL-5500, was released for some $600 by Sharp. Today, it only costs $140 in some places online. This article at TuxTops reviews the 5500 from the point of view of trying to figure out how this model fares against today's PDAs and if it's still a good purchase after all these years, especially at this low price. And so I bought one recently because I needed a full-fledged pocket Linux at my workplace where I work as an admin. I just added a $30 Linksys WCF12 WiFi card (works out of the box after upgrading the SL-5500 ROM to version 3.10) which I use with SSH and by utilizing Zaurus' thumb-board. Works great and it's much more portable than a laptop, especially when all you need is some email and SSH on the go."
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Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Today?

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  • If its SSH you vant (Score:5, Informative)

    by putko ( 753330 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:08PM (#13160556) Homepage Journal
    May I suggest you get it from the source? [openbsd.org]
  • Then and now (Score:3, Informative)

    by znaps ( 470170 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:10PM (#13160577)
    The 5500 wasn't a great PDA back then, so now it certainly isn't even a good PDA.

    But it always was a great little mini linux box, and now is very good value at $140. Pity about the battery life though.

  • Just Sold Mine (Score:5, Informative)

    by rmjohnso ( 891555 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:20PM (#13160643)
    I actually just sold my Zaurus SL-5500 on eBay. I sold it with my Linksys WCF11 wireless card. I got about $125 for the combination, which is what I set the minimum to on eBay. I got rid of mine for a few reasons:

    1. The battery life with the wireless card was horrible, and that was when the battery was new.

    2. To have anything new, you had to use OpenZaurus. Not that OZ is bad, but it means that Sharp basically stopped updating anything for it. Trolltech was supposedly going to release an updated QT ROM for the 5500, but I never saw it materialize.

    3. Back to the battery, it was a bit old, so it had a harder time holding a charge.

    4. Getting it setup to communicate to the PC under Windows or Linux always seemed to a lot harder than it should have been. I always got it working, but it always took a while.

    5. This was the big reason. I just stopped using it because of the other 4 reasons and because I almost always have my work laptop with me. I can pop my laptop out of suspend, fire up Outlook, and I have my Calendar, Address Book, e-mail, etc. just as fast. Yes, I would prefer to carry the Zaurus over the laptop, but since I always have the laptop for other work reasons, why do I need a PDA?
  • Boot time (Score:3, Informative)

    by David Horn ( 772985 ) <david&pocketgamer,org> on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:26PM (#13160695) Homepage
    "Zaurus v3.10 boots in about 65 seconds, which is a bit slower than the OpenZaurus/Opie ROM variant which loads in about 50-55 seconds."

    On the other hand, the Pocket PC OS boots from scratch in under six seconds.
  • zaurus (Score:5, Informative)

    by mikers ( 137971 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:28PM (#13160713)
    They are okay... I think it is a nice little PDA, and pretty cheap right now. Also big user group behind it who is pretty hardcore into linux.

    Pros:
    - CF and SD card simultaneously
    - Nice screen
    - Nice keyboard hiding feature
    - Even if the display crashes, you can still SSH into it! And then just restart the display driver
    - The linux behind the framebuffer is rock solid (uptimes of > 2 months).
    - Very hackable

    Cons:
    - Only some CF cards work, and only SD memory cards work (not wifi SD for example). Limited support for CF chipsets (depends on manufacturer).
    - Battery life tends to be a little on the low side
    - Wifi card really sucks the battery dry
    - Thumb keyboard is really slow for doing CLI (and painful after a few lines).
    - Heavy changes in software base (like structure) right now, so the developers are breaking things almost as fast as old problems are fixed. *should* stabilize soon.
    - IR PDA keyboards (like targus) kindof suck on it, I bought one but find it frustrating to type on... Press two keys are the same time and only one shows up on the zaurus, but always a surprise which one!

    Wishlist:
    - Longer battery
    - Built in bluetooth (for external keyboard)
  • by maotx ( 765127 ) <maotx@yah o o . com> on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:44PM (#13160825)
    Openzaurus has released version 3.5.3 which imho is one of the best so far. I have my 5500 setup to boot from my 512MB SD card to make it easy to store the OS and any additional applications that I may download plus it makes an easy backup. The feed for Openzaurus has grown (and still is) quite a bit and seeing how it is Debian based, alot of ARM packages from the Debian feed will install on it without to many problems as well. The support on the mailing list is great and I haven't had to many problems with my current Z yet.

    I currently use my Zaurus as a PIM, ssh client, web browser, mp3-ogg-divx player, mail editor, and reader for PDFs, DOCs, PPTs, etc. Not to mention kismet and wellenreiter works on it as well which is great for detecting hot spots even if you are fined £500. [theregister.co.uk]
  • by kuzb ( 724081 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:50PM (#13160851)
    That OS doesn't support the SL-5500.
  • The good and the bad (Score:3, Informative)

    by ChaseTec ( 447725 ) <chase@osdev.org> on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:51PM (#13160863) Homepage
    I got one of these a month ago from http://www.geeks.com [geeks.com] from $140. I wanted wireless access so I also bought a Sandisk 802.11b + 128meg CF card because it was so cheap. Since I researched ahead of time I knew that sharp has basically stopped supporting these things or providing update so my new cheap wifi card was only going to work if I replaced Sharp's software with OpenZaurus [openzaurus.org]. OpenZaurus is a little ruff around the edges. If you've messed with Gentoo or ever done a Roll Your Own Distro then OpenZaurus should be a walk in the park but it's not for average Joe consumer.

    I was happy to find that the OpenZaurus email app has support for IMAPS and SMTPS w/AUTH. I've about given up reading/writing word, excel, and powerpoint files because even though the Original Sharp ROMs have application to do this you can't really get them to work under OpenZaurus. But how much spreadsheet work would you do on a 320x240 device? OpenZaurus does have lots of software, it's got ipkg which you can think of as a mini-clone of apt-get or yum.

    As other have said, battery life could be better(especially with the wifi card). But other then that it's cool that there are SD and CF slots. SDIO is not supported but I've got a 1gig SD card working fine. Other have complained about having to use headphones for sound, personally I don't have a problems with that.

    Favorite thing done with my Zaurus so far; Walking around every corner of my apartment and scanning all the wireless networks so see what the best channel would be for my network. I've also managed to cut down alot on post-it notes.

    And don't forget http://slashdot.org/palm [slashdot.org]
  • by maotx ( 765127 ) <maotx@yah o o . com> on Monday July 25, 2005 @06:57PM (#13160906)
    Does anyone know where Sharp tells their customer's about the GNU General Public License?

    From the software license agreement:

    ...
    INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS. The Software is protected by copyright laws, international copyright treaties, and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Lineo and its suppliers retain all ownership of, and intellectual property rights (including copyright) in, the Software components and all copies thereof, provided however, that certain components of the Software are components licensed under the GNU General Public License (version 2), which Lineo supports. You may obtain a copy of the GNU General Public License at http://www.fsf.org/copyleft/gpl.html [fsf.org]. Lineo will provide source code for any of the components of the Software licensed under the GNU General Public License. To obtain such source code, email to embedix-support 'at' lineo.com.


    In short, yes. Also, it looks like that even though it is a Sharp device, Lineo supplied the software.
  • the UI sucks (Score:3, Informative)

    by cahiha ( 873942 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:21PM (#13161067)
    The hardware was pretty decent at the time. The new disk-based Zaurus handhelds are great (if heavy). The functionality is also nice, as are the open file formats and the Linux underpinnings.

    But the problem with all of them is that the user interface on the Zaurus sucks badly. Like PocketPC, it tries to adapt desktop metaphors to handhelds, and that just doesn't work well.

    As far as I'm concerned, the only PDAs with acceptable UIs at this point are Palm and Symbian. And since Palm will soon be Linux-based, I won't have to choose anymore between a good UI and a good operating system. For now, I choose a usable UI, which means I continue to use my Zire.
  • Re:SL-5500 sucks (Score:2, Informative)

    by torpor ( 458 ) <ibisum AT gmail DOT com> on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:39PM (#13161206) Homepage Journal
    Want to attach something serial? Bend over for a zcable or don't type.


    i've got an IR keyboard from Taurus that works pretty well with my aging sl5500. in fact, i'd say its one of my favourite keyboards ..

    i've had the sl5500 for a few years now too, and i have to say its a wonderful thing to have a webserver in my bookshelf ...
  • by selfabuse ( 681350 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @08:18PM (#13161453)
    Check out www.zaurususergroup.org. I haven't checked out the 5500 part since I upgraded to a 6000, but I'm sure they're up to all sorts of crazy stuff.
  • Re:SL-5500 sucks (Score:3, Informative)

    by arodland ( 127775 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @11:01PM (#13162317)
    If you found a guy to sell you a speaker for your 5500, you got ripped off badly. The thing has an internal speaker; it's just that Sharp's kernel doesn't support it as anything more than a beeper. The kernel in OpenZaurus exposes it as a 22KHz DSP device, and xmms will automaticallly switch between the headphones and the builtin speaker, the same as on any other PDA.

    The battery isn't great, but it's not that bad either.

    Serial, worthwhile.

    Crashes? You're doing something very wrong. Yeah, it'll crash now and then, but I never had a crash with my Z that lost any data, except in the case of failed upgrades.

    That said, yeah, it would definitely do to have a bigger battery, some flavor of builtin wireless, and software that doesn't suck out of the box. But Sharp has completely abandoned the relatively cheap "upright" Zs in favor of massively expensive clamshell ones.
  • by pixel fairy ( 898 ) on Tuesday July 26, 2005 @02:08AM (#13162982)
    usb host. this means any keyboard, and many other usb devices. the battery life is great on them, the built in keyboard is pretty good too.

    the screen (at least on sl-6000) is much nicer than ive seen on pocketpc/wince/palm devices. the device itself is pretty sturdy too.

    unlike any palm app, you can use keys, and even ssh-agent (on bash, but it works nicely) (this might be possible with putty on a windows handheld, never tried)

    i got mine just to use as an ssh terminal. ive found it does so much now that i often dont bother with the laptop (external keyboard does nicely) the fact that i dont have to ask anyones permission to make it work however i want is a nice contrast to sony who will keep locking down thier systems or microsoft who will threaten/sue you over it. (and, yes that does influence my purchasing descision)

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