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EFF Creates Endangered Gizmos List 213

linuxwrangler writes "The Electronic Frontier Foundation this week announced the creation of the Endangered Gizmos List. According to their press release, this project highlights 'the way misguided laws and lawsuits can pollute the environment for technological innovation.' The site categorizes technologies ranging from the Betamax to the Advanced eBook Processor as 'Saved', 'Endangered' or 'Extinct'."
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EFF Creates Endangered Gizmos List

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  • by Evil W1zard ( 832703 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @10:49AM (#11503212) Journal
    From my viewpoint although a lot of these laws and mandates are a pain in the ass they do lead to people trying to find new and possibly better products/methodologies to get around them. Its the strengthen the product versus develop new/different products argument and sometimes new/different is definitely better. (Hell I bet if there was a law that was detrimental to Windows we might actually get a better product from them!)
  • by RobotRunAmok ( 595286 ) * on Friday January 28, 2005 @10:51AM (#11503235)
    Every item in every category on the list features an appeal to "join the EFF" so that the evil, toy-snatching corporations can be vanquished for good yadda yadda. If the EFF's legal team was half as as adept as their Marketing and Promotion departments, they might actually amount to something more than a 90's-era anachronism...

    Hey, but I've still held onto my old orange cyber-rights clenched-fist-on-a-field-of-lightning-bolts T-Shirt after all these years, so I guess I should give props to their Creative Services Department as well...
  • Dead Media Project (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Urban Garlic ( 447282 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @10:53AM (#11503261)
    Along similar lines, Tom Jennings has a database of obsolete formats and devices of various kinds, at deadmedia.org [deadmedia.org].

    His site is more focussed on older (nineteenth-century, early twentieth-century) stuff than the EFF site, and of course, not everything dies of regulatory or copyright strangulation.
  • but seriously (Score:3, Interesting)

    by essreenim ( 647659 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @10:57AM (#11503311)
    We need to pay attention to this. And whether you like it or not, copyleft/GPL avoids having to deal with this problem:

    Interesting:

    censorship bears the legacy of copyright. For example, the custom of printers and authors to have their name listed with their creations began as a law demanding this practice, not to ensure the originator due credit, but in order for the king to keep track of disobedient writers. Brendan Scott (2000)

    falling costs is met with more computer capacity for a sustained price, and therefore that new computers never will reach the poor majority (Stallabrass, 1995)

    "The justification for the patent system is that by slowing down diffusion of technological progress it ensures that there will be more progress to diffuse... Since it is rooted in a contradiction, there can be no such thing as an ideally beneficial patent system [...]" [60].

    Yes I do lean towards marxism and no, this is not a anti-capitalism rant although this article [firstmonday.org] does point out the obvious (for some) that we have moved from feudalism to capitalism and are GRADUALLY moving towards something else.

  • by Anita Coney ( 648748 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @11:00AM (#11503347) Homepage
    I once read that the Teddy Ruckspin doll was supposed to play and "sing along" to all music cassettes. But the lawyers decided that they might get sued because it might be considered a "performance" which would require payments to the copyright holders. To play it safe, they stuck with proprietary tapes.
  • Re:What's the point? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Baramin ( 847271 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @11:01AM (#11503358) Homepage Journal
    it's endangered because of DMCA or people suing based on stupid reasons, not because people do not use them.

    mp3 players, A/D - D/A chips, TIVOs and P2P software are on that list, and you can't say people don't use them.

    What a I missing ?
    --> reading the FA before posting an opinion maybe
  • "We want to be free! (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 28, 2005 @11:13AM (#11503456)
    Free to do what we want to do!
    We want to be free to ride!
    To ride our machines without being hassled by the man! "

    When Gizmo's are outlawed, only outlaws will own gizmo's!

    Seriously! There will be no extinction of gizmos which offer a high level of utility.

    Prohibition resulted in a massive black market in alcohol and cigarettes. At present there is a huge trade in low/no tax cigarettes. Bootleg satellite TV subscriptions blanket Canada. Yes, there's marijuana and drug(illicit and gray) markets too.

    So, hardcore experimenters will be able to buy their ADAC's and consumers their useful products. It's just gonna be a friend of a friend sort of deal.

    The real danger is erosion of the USA legal system. There are already way too many 'designer' laws.

  • by xtracto ( 837672 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @11:16AM (#11503489) Journal
    So, after reading the article I came to think in something. This DMCA law, it is supposed to be for the US only isn't it? so, if I, make some software as the DVD-x-copy in another country, and distribute it, I am allowed to do that provided that the laws of my country allow it no?

    Now, it would be then "Illegal" for the people who buys it inside united states, but I think nothing stops me for selling it from, say, somwhere in south america or europe...
    Am I wrong?, maybe one of the "solutions" for all this would be simply to move the company to another place out of US.

    Or maybe I am missing something here...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 28, 2005 @11:40AM (#11503723)
    If it's any indication, most television stations still use betamax. I can almost guarantee your local cable access channel is heavily reliant on beta.

    It's not the same technology as the old home systems, but the foundation is exactly the same.

    There has been speculation that the movie studios endorsed VHS (by only releasing movies on VHS) once they lost the Sony vs. Betamax case because the quality on VHS was much worse than Beta (and the shelf life was much shorter).

    Posting as AC in case I'm completely wrong. ;-)
  • Chip Control (Score:3, Interesting)

    by nurb432 ( 527695 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @11:43AM (#11503751) Homepage Journal
    Thats what worries me the most, is that if they do manage to get control of the raw silicon, then we are screwed.

    We wont be even able to build our own hardware proejcts with out it being crippled, and having to license it ( at costs the average hobbiest cant afford ).. Regardless if it might 'infringe' something or not.

  • by whimdot ( 591032 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @11:46AM (#11503778)
    I think the issue is with unencumbered D/A and A/D. Currently you are free to convert freely between digital and analogue media, but eventually all DRM material could contain a watermark which would only allow it to pass through the conversion after a small degradation in quality, and then only if you had a license to do the conversion.

    This has already happened in the world of picture scanning. Try putting a bill though a colour photocopier. The image of paper money is no longer able to pass through this conversion technology.
  • by Rattencremesuppe ( 784075 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @11:46AM (#11503781)
    Plus, A/D and D/A converters are ubiquitous in electronics. I guess that consumer devices related to audio / video applications are only a fraction of that.

    Perhaps there will be a lot of DRM-crippled A/D D/A converters in such applications but there will ALWAYS be non-crippled parts available to the industry.

  • by CyberLord Seven ( 525173 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @11:59AM (#11503962)
    I have Beta recordings of the original airing of Star Trek: The Next Generation that look better than current VHS recordings. Keep in mind that back then I was using a Co-axial cable for sound and video, and that today I am using RCA plugs to separate sound from video.

    In HD Beta looks even better.

  • Morpheus die already (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Dwedit ( 232252 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @12:34PM (#11504371) Homepage
    Morpheus can go off and die for all I care. Their latest program release is a modified version of the GPLed file sharing tool Gnucleus, except they added spyware and ads to the program. They are a big scam to say the least.
  • by eno2001 ( 527078 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @02:47PM (#11506113) Homepage Journal
    ...you must be a criminal by the MPAA and RIAA's definitions.

    At this point, I've accepted that there are things I do that may someday be considered a crime. I don't plan to stop:

    -Record TV shows from my DirecTV reciever that I pay a monthly subscription fee for into my computer using a Hauppauge PVR250 card for archival purposes (to show friends and family when they come over)
    -Rip all CDs that I buy to the infinitely more convenient Ogg Vorbis format so that I can listen to my music anywhere
    -Stream any audio or video from my house to wherever I happen to be using a VPN connection and broadbad. This means I can listen to my music collection, watch my DVDs or even DirecTV as long as I have an internet connection
    -Build custom digital media devices that don't have the limitations that commercial products do

    The way things are going, I'm sure these things will become illegal eventually. It's a wonder it's not illegal to use a hammer, nails, screwdriver, drywall, plaster and screws to build or modify your house any way you want to.
  • by imkonen ( 580619 ) on Friday January 28, 2005 @05:03PM (#11507891)
    How is it gun manufacturers can get away with manufacturing semi-autos that are a easily converted into full-autos, but a (say for example) HDTVtuner card manufacturer couldn't make the broadcast flag decoder dependant on one little easily removed jumper? Then somehow the knowledge of this jumper would work its way onto the internet and coincidentally their sales jump through the roof. Of course it's still illegal for you or I to remove this jumper, but that's not their fault that there are so many criminals in the world, is it? After all, PC cards don't violate copyright...people do.

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