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Transmeta TM8800 And Ultraportable Announced 116

Posted by timothy
from the smaller-than-a-breadbox dept.
yerdaddie writes "The just-released Transmeta TM8800 has been integrated into a new ultraportable from Sharp. The smaller 90nm variety clocks and performs better than the older 130nm TM86XX Efficeons. It also seems the Orion Multisystems personal clusters discussed earlier on slashdot will be built around this processor variant. Hopefully Transmeta will be releasing a developer kit soon for eager hardware hackers."
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Transmeta TM8800 And Ultraportable Announced

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  • Another Link (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12, 2004 @02:57PM (#10228776)
    http://www.engadget.com/entry/5844163416339364/

    Another Link provides some extra info.
  • Re:Battery life (Score:4, Informative)

    by fidget42 (538823) on Sunday September 12, 2004 @03:01PM (#10228799)
    According to the fish [altavista.com], it gets 5 hours.

    "With the economical electrical design, approximately 5.0 hours* actualizing the long haul drive. In addition, if the MOBILE switch was changed to MOBILE mode, CPU throughput and picture brightness were held down, it becomes setting of electric power consumption concern."
  • More info (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12, 2004 @03:06PM (#10228825)
    More Information from Gizmodo [gizmodo.com]

    Japanese Stats
  • Re:Interesting but (Score:5, Informative)

    by brilinux (255400) <kg4qxk@arrlDEBIAN.net minus distro> on Sunday September 12, 2004 @03:07PM (#10228828) Homepage Journal
    Actaully, sharp's PDA [zaurus.com]is Linux powered, the first widely successful Linux PDA made availiable, I believe. I have one, and I use it as an X server so that I can ssh into my FreeBSD box at home and run programs. It has a WiFi card, built in keyboard, and all around is very nice. There is also an alternative Linux distro [openzaurus.org] availiable for it.
  • by iamatlas (597477) on Sunday September 12, 2004 @03:11PM (#10228850) Homepage
    My first time karma whore-ing!

    Approximately, it builds in the thin-shaped DVD drive of 9.5mm, lightness approximately 1.28kg (PC-MP50G approximately 1.26kg)* 1 scantness approximately 28.8mm (the most thin section) actualizing the light weight compact body. With business and it can carry about lightly with private, shows the high performance of completeness ahead going out.

    Due to the CD/DVD drive of built-in, the pleasure of DVD spreads e.g., you look at the movie software and the original work DVD with the business trip return and the coffee. It is the front tray system which taking in and out the disk is easy to do. In addition, if PC-MP70G of DVD multiple drive loading, it can compile television program and the image etc. of the digital video camera which were videotaped with the DVD recorder easily, can draw up original DVD. All you base are belong to Sharp

    From state of power source off, the button of the substance one touch just is done, Windows(R) without starting INSTANT PLAY which start * 1it is possible DVD and CD* adopting 2. Furthermore, using the remote control headphone where volume setting and chapter operation etc. belong, because it can do, it can enjoy in portable DVD player feeling.

    Letter and the picture clear vivid. It can enjoy with the image where also the DVD software and the broadband contents are beautiful brightly.

    * 1 When the DVD software and the CD software are enjoyed with INSTANT PLAY, it is necessary to set the disk to drive.

    * 2 It actualizesInterVideo (R )withInstant ON TM.

    Low adopting the trance meta corporation make Efficeon TM TM8800 1.6GHz which is proud of the electric power consumptionhigh performance to CPU. High operational frequency is actualized without increasing electric power consumption with adoption of 90nm process.

    Trance meta corporation makeEfficeon TM TM8800 strengthens also security performance. The safety for virus attack such as the cord/code execution with buffer overrun is raised.

    (C) 2002- 2004 SQUARE ENIX CO. and LTD. All Rights Reserved. Title Design by Yoshitaka Amano

    Indicating the 3D game and streaming image etc. insmoothly with the ATI corporation make MOBILITYTM RADEON TM 7500 which corresponds to 3D. High throughput It requires "FINAL FANTASY(R) XI for Windows(R) ", it is appointed to the official operational recognition personal computer.

    * 3

    The game software is selling separately. With the economical electrical design, approximately 5.0 hours* actualizing the long haul drive of 4. In addition, if the MOBILE switch was changed to MOBILE mode, CPU throughput and picture brightness were held down,* 5, it becomes setting of electric power consumption concern.

    * 4 It is the time when it measured Corporation electronic intelligence technical industrial association "JEITA battery methods-time measurement (Ver.1.0)" of on the basis. You can verify detailed measurement condition, in the support page classified by type of Mobius home page.Http://www.sharp.co.jp/mebius/ and actual drive time differ depending upon use environment.

    * 5 The operational frequency of CPU is held down low, in initial condition display intensity from under 2nd is changed in. There are times when occurs scene falling with such as animated picture playback.

    Maximum 54Mbps* 6 (standard value) building in the wireless LAN of the IEEE802.11b/g conformity which corresponds to high-speed communication. The Super G TM mode which raisestransfer rate* it corresponds to also 7. The other personal computer and the data can share "radio de chat" and network setting can be changed "entrusts Internet" and so on, can use automatically smoothly with the wireless.

    * 6 Numerical value of indication is maximum with respect to theory of wireless LAN standard, is not something which shows actual data rate.

    * 7 SuperGTM is the wireless LAN high-speed technology which the Atheros Communications corporation developed. SuperGTM function is used, it is necessary also for the wireless LAN equipment aheadconnectingto correspond to Super G TM.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12, 2004 @03:18PM (#10228889)
    EmperorLinux offers the Sharp Actius MM10, MM20 with various distributions of Linux available (pre-installed). The Sharp features full Linux hardware support for: X, sound, USB, PCMCIA, WiFi, networking, hibernate, and more. They include a 56 Kbps PCMCIA modem.

    I have dual partition with Fedora Core 2 and Debian Sarge installed on my MM20. Check out the web site for more details.

    Welcome back from your deep sleep.

    http://www.emperorlinux.com/meteor.php
  • by mocm (141920) on Sunday September 12, 2004 @03:20PM (#10228901) Homepage
    You mean like this [ibase.com.tw]?
  • Re:Enthusiasts? (Score:4, Informative)

    by mocm (141920) on Sunday September 12, 2004 @03:23PM (#10228911) Homepage
    Yes. [ibase.com.tw]
  • by mocm (141920) on Sunday September 12, 2004 @03:26PM (#10228926) Homepage
    I hope these [ibase.com.tw] boards will be available soon. And hopefully also with 90nm Efficeon.
  • by mocm (141920) on Sunday September 12, 2004 @03:37PM (#10228975) Homepage
    Well, code morphing software and microcode are a big difference and I doubt that Intel or AMD can do it without violating Transmeta's patents. They also have the long run 2 (LR2) technology which they have successfully licensed to NEC, so with the Efficeon business picking up and more LR2 licenses, they may yet survive. Or they will get bought by Intel or AMD because they both can't do 90nm with 1.6 GHz at 7Watts.
  • by fnj (64210) on Sunday September 12, 2004 @03:44PM (#10229006)
    That is not a TM8800 board. The processor it comes with has truly pathetic performance.
  • by Yokaze (70883) on Sunday September 12, 2004 @03:50PM (#10229054)
    > The Opteron (AMD) and the new Pentium IV (Intel) are both VLIW processors microprogrammed to execute the IA32-64 instruction set.

    Neither the Opteron nor the Pentium IV are VLIW processors. Both translate x86 code to micro-ops, not VLIWs. From those both companies, the Itantium is the only VLIW processor. But none of them does code morphing, unless you run a VM on it.
  • by Jeff DeMaagd (2015) on Sunday September 12, 2004 @04:22PM (#10229209) Homepage Journal
    I'm not seeing much in the Prescott internal block diagram to sugest that it is VLIW. Are all the micro-ops really attached in parallel?

    I'm not sure why the grandparent post said opteron had VLIW, because it should have basically the same micro-op core as the Athlon64.

    Besides, AMD technical doc 24112.pdf (Software Optimization Guide for AMD Athlon(TM) 64 and AMD Opteron(TM) Processors) doesn't seem to suggest that it is a full-on VLIW. The macro op might have one load-store with one compute (int or float), but it is still broken down again to single-op micro-ops:

    Internal Instruction Formats
    The AMD64 instruction set is complex; instructions have variable-length encodings and many
    perform multiple primitive operations. AMD Athlon 64 and AMD Opteron processors do not execute
    these complex instructions directly, but, instead, decode them internally into simpler fixed-length
    instructions called macro-ops. Processor schedulers subsequently break down macro-ops into
    sequences of even simpler instructions called micro-ops, each of which specifies a single primitive operation.

    A macro-op is a fixed-length instruction that:
    Expresses, at most, one integer or floating-point operation and one load and/or store operation.
    Is the primary unit of work managed (that is, dispatched and retired) by the processor.

    A micro-op is a fixed-length instruction that:
    Expresses one and only one of the primitive operations that the processor can perform (for
    example, a load).
    Is executed by the processor's execution units.
  • Re:Interesting but (Score:3, Informative)

    by Gentlewhisper (759800) on Sunday September 12, 2004 @04:33PM (#10229268)
    Actually, if you are into LinuxMobile IBM thinkpads are really good choices.

    I own a small Thinkpad X31 and Linux couldn't be happier on this machine than any other. At least I can just imagine what will happen if I run Linux on my friends' Toshibas, Fujitsus, Dells, HPs, and what-nots.

    IBM's the real deal, no poppycock Win-anything!
  • by dave_t_brown (447547) on Sunday September 12, 2004 @04:55PM (#10229361)
    Van's Hardware has done some Efficeon benchmarking here [vanshardware.com].
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12, 2004 @06:07PM (#10229935)
    > Transmeta is too closed to hackers.

    Don't be so sure of that. I'm involved with the group that's reverse engineering the Efficeon and CMS right now.

    This is from the same people who brought you the Crusoe Exposed series of articles, but the Efficeon version will be *much* more detailed. As you'll see, Transmeta should not have relied on trade secrets in lieu of more patents. There are many smart people out there and this chip can and will be exposed.

    Besides, Transmeta is no longer releasing a full Efficeon devkit to anyone with cash, supposedly to avoid another "incident" like with Crusoe. Notice how only a 3rd-party SBC is available to the public in lieu of a real "development kit" this time. Unfortunately they were too late; the analysis effort is already well under way.
  • by mrklin (608689) <ken@lin.gmail@com> on Sunday September 12, 2004 @06:55PM (#10230391)
    ... and iBook too.

    Pressing the letter "T" while booting will boot the computer into "target disc mode". From the mode, you can connect that laptop to any Mac with firewire and it will automatically mount and be available as an HD on the desktop.

  • bolony! (Score:4, Informative)

    by khrtt (701691) on Sunday September 12, 2004 @09:57PM (#10231605)
    The "technology" that Transmeta developed is essentially a VLIW processor that can be micro-programmed to interpret the IA32 instruction set...

    Not INTERPRET, but rather TRANSLATE IA32 to native VLIW. The word "translate" means "compile binary to binary" here. The translated result is cached, which makes the whole thing run at a more acceptable speed.

    Intel and AMD do the same thing - IA32 is translated to an internal RISC-like code. They also cache the translated code. Only they do the translation in hardware, while Transmeta does it in software.

    The extra translation hardware drains extra power. The extra translation software uses up extra CPU clocks, effectively slowing down a Crusoe (or any transmeta CPU) compared to a Pentium (any recent Intel/AMD CPU) at the same clock rate. If you slow down the clock on the Pentium so that the performance equals to that of the Crusoe, you reduce the power consumption to the same level as the Crusoe as well. Or better.

    So, all in all, it's a wash. All mobile CPUs throttle down the clock when possible. The maximum speed for the Pentium is higher than for a Crusoe with the same clock. The die of the Transmeta chip is smaller. That's all the difference.

    Surprisingly, where Intel (not AMD) gets its edge with Pentium M has nothing to do with CPU core. It's the way they handle the L2 cache. They have a large L2 cache, but they only clock the block of it where there is an access. This saves a lot of power, while allowing for a larger L2 cache. Which has more effect on the CPU speed and power consumption than all the tricks with the core architecture.

    The original idea that made Transmeta chips so attractive had nothing to do with the core architecture either. The idea was that they would not only slow down the clock, but also reduce the supply voltage accordingly, which squared the power savings compared to Intel SpeedStep. Of course, by now both Intel and AMD do the same thing, so Transmeta doesn't have an edge there any more.

    AMD and Intel are in a fierce battle that will destroy lesser players like Transmeta
    Not necessarily. Transmeta is in a niche market, ultra-mobile IA32 devices. As long as they stay in a niche market, they have a chance. But I doubt they could make it into the mainstream CPU market in near future.

    Is there a white knight for Transmeta?
    Is there an SS1 for Transmeta? Wait, wrong topic...

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