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Rio Carbon MP3 Has A 5G CF To Be Cannibalized 256

GlucoPilot writes "This guy bought a Rio Carbon Mp3 player because he figured he could rip the 5GB CF Card out of it. He did, and put it in his prosumer 6MP digital camera. Now he can take 1,500 six-megapixel pics in one sitting. Oy." The card is apparently a 5GB Microdrive, note, not 5GB of Flash memory.
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Rio Carbon MP3 Has A 5G CF To Be Cannibalized

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  • by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) on Saturday September 11, 2004 @01:34PM (#10221452)
    I'm surprised we haven't seen those microdrives in camcorders yet. I wonder why?

    Also, I'm glad they didn't copy Apple in this respect -- after all, if I were Rio I wouldn't care what my customers did after I bought it, since I would have already been paid.
  • Nit picking (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jmorris42 ( 1458 ) * <{jmorris} {at} {beau.org}> on Saturday September 11, 2004 @01:42PM (#10221495)
    Don't really buy that 1,500 picture number, but it is in the right range. I have a 2.2GB Microdrive in my 5 Megapixel camera and can only shoot 550-600 pics. But really, how often do you need that many pics? I have shot a couple hundred when using the autodrive a lot, but I could cull those down in the field if I started running short on space. The problem with CF hard drives is they are a LOT slower than flash on playback, so wading through the contents is not fun.
  • Energy consumption (Score:5, Interesting)

    by hernyo ( 770695 ) <laszlo.hermann@gmail.com> on Saturday September 11, 2004 @01:44PM (#10221505)
    It's nice to get a 5G 'memory card' for just $250. But does this microdrive suck the battery faster than regular flash memory card? This is quite an important issue because - as far as I know - digicams and batteries 'hate each other'.

    -- yeah, i know, my english sucks
  • by adzoox ( 615327 ) on Saturday September 11, 2004 @01:47PM (#10221524) Journal
    I wish anyone that has tried this with a Rio Carbon or more specifically the iPod mini - do you get better battery life with a compact flash card in these things?

    And to note... I recently spoke with someone at Hitachi. They said the MAIN reason the iPod mini is a closed device where you can't just remove the drive easily is solely to protect it's market for the drives otherwise.

  • my wish list... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by John Seminal ( 698722 ) on Saturday September 11, 2004 @01:47PM (#10221529) Journal
    i wonder why digital camera's don't come with internal hard drives, and better battery packs. size could be an issue, but if they can make 512 meg usb keychain drives (imagine it without the plastic casing and it is even smaller), i am sure they can put a gigabyte on a camera and still leave a slot for a memory card. also, why not have better batteries? if my laptop can get 4 hours, with a 14.1 screen, then on scale a camera should be able to do better with a much smaller battery. even if they expand the battery pack on camera's by 50%, that would be that many more pictures i could take. and one last thing, add on a better optical zoom, and get rid of the digital zoom.

    since we are talking cameras, i might as well ask. i have a 2mp camera which takes good pictures, but i am thinking about getting a 3 or 4mp as prices have fallen (paid over $250 for my 2mp 18 months ago). what digi camera's do people have, and how do they like them? my 2mp is fuji, and i have been happy with them. the 2mp takes nice pictures, but a guy at the photohut told me that for anything larger than 4x6, i should get a better camera.

  • by cflorio ( 604840 ) on Saturday September 11, 2004 @02:04PM (#10221611) Homepage
    The price of Compact Flash really took a nose dive in the last month. You can now get a Sandisk Ultra II 1 GB solid state card for under $100. [jr.com]
  • by JawzX ( 3756 ) on Saturday September 11, 2004 @02:07PM (#10221624) Homepage Journal
    The Kingston drive is cool kit and nicely priced, but its PCMCIA not CFII.

  • by selderrr ( 523988 ) on Saturday September 11, 2004 @02:09PM (#10221636) Journal
    weird : after importing as Full DV with iMovie, i have about 30GB worth of clips.... how come ?
  • by quintessent ( 197518 ) <my usr name on toofgiB [tod] moc> on Saturday September 11, 2004 @02:31PM (#10221763) Journal
    You see, every time the spec for something goes up a notch, Slashdot needs to post an article about it, esepcially CPU speeds, as measure in megahertz.

    The interesting thing is, I was under the impression that both Creative and Apple have now protected their Microdrives so they're not readable in a camera.

    For those who are thinking of doing this, beware, though. I bought a cannibalized microdrive, which worked for about weeks, then died without warning. Now I have no idea how to get the thing fixed.
  • Varying DV formats (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Andy Dodd ( 701 ) <atd7NO@SPAMcornell.edu> on Saturday September 11, 2004 @02:37PM (#10221801) Homepage
    Raw DV has the video and audio streams interleaved.

    Some of the DV "container" formats used on PCs (such as one of the two DV-AVI types) duplicate the audio stream, with the "video" stream actually being the original raw DV (which has both video and audio)

    Also, longer tapes might exist now. The typical 60-minute-standard-play tapes are 13 GB. I think that tapes exist that are 75 and even 90 minutes in standard mode now though, although last time I went miniDV shopping they were hard to find and VERY expensive. (Compared to 6-packs of 60s relatively cheap at Costco.)

    See above regarding extended play tapes, which I think are 18-20 GB or so (but with a MUCH higher risk of errors) on a 60 minute tape.
  • by Reverant ( 581129 ) on Saturday September 11, 2004 @02:42PM (#10221825) Homepage
    Why should they care what you do with their product once they've sold it?
    Because they actually prefer that you walk around listening to music with their player. Why? Because in this way, you advertise their player and their brand, and you will most propably tell all your friends how nice this 5G MP3 player is. But if you just pry it open, remove the microdrive, and then throw it in the trash, all this free advertising goes to, well, the trash.
  • The Next DIY Project (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Nom du Keyboard ( 633989 ) on Saturday September 11, 2004 @02:57PM (#10221905)
    Your next project is to do something useful with the remaining Rio parts. W.A.S.T.E. not, want not.

    After all, if people are cannibalizing OnStar systems after the subscription runs out just to get the GPS components, someone ought to be able to suggest a use for the rest of your Rio.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, 2004 @03:00PM (#10221917)
    From what I previously knew, the Rio lost the battle to the entertainment cartel, so it was encumbered with digital restrictions management. I've been holding off buying a portable mp3 player because of the fear of buying one, and then finding out it was useless to play mp3s from my own music collection.

    I know that I can take a cd with mp3s on it to a electronics outlet to check if car stereos work or not with non-drm'd mp3s, but the few places I've been to (including circuit city, best buy, and a few other large stores) don't make it possible to check this on portable players, everything is boxed up when you buy it, and the samples are a mess (and I doubt they'd let me make the transfers to the device to see if it worked, though I must admit I haven't tried, haven't been to one of the stores lately).

    An ipod is far too expensive for my budget. Can someone name some lower priced mp3 players (ogg is ok too) that can hold a decent amount of songs (at least a hundred), and can play them, and transfer others in and out for variety, without drm restrictions? I'm looking for something hopefully under $100, the lower the better. I'm interested in two types, one that plays a cd of mp3 recorded songs, and one that isn't a cd player. If the second one can use usb drives as the medium for storing music, that would be even better, so I can mix up the music from time to time for my disabled relative who lives 3000 miles away, and doesn't own a computer.

    Any ideas, recommendations, suggestions would be deeply appreciated. Thanks!
  • by martinX ( 672498 ) on Saturday September 11, 2004 @04:57PM (#10222533)
    That is weird ...

    What do you mean by "importing as full DV with iMovie"? iMovie can only import as full DV - there are no choices. Are you importing it with something else as full DV and THEN importing those clips into iMovie? Because that would double your disk space used - iMovie makes a duplicate of whatever you import.

    If not that, are you using an 80 minute tape in LP mode?

    I use iMovie quite a bit and 1 tape = ~13 GB for me.
  • Re:1500? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by sejanus ( 18670 ) on Saturday September 11, 2004 @09:42PM (#10224126) Homepage
    Well, I'm a photographer and I take 4 x 4gb cards with me wherever I go. I rarely use them all, my record on one day is filling up 3 and a half cards, but theres no way in hell I'd use 1gb cards.

    I use 2 x Fuji S2's which outputs a RAW file that is 12mb in size - thats a fair bit of storage. I've never had a problem losing photos, though I am very careful and as soon as I get home I start dumping them to my fileserver. I only relax after that is done :)

    As the next batch of cameras come out, these 4gb and 5gb cards will become more common. The Fuji S3 (a nikon based DSLR body with a Fuji sensor) outputs a raw file that is 24mb on the microdrive, and other upcoming cameras such as Canon's 1Ds II and Nikon's D2x probably won't be far off that kind of file size.

    "Most pros don't use anything over 1GB. Why? Because 1GB is almost 120 photos for a 10D- a shitload. "

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 11, 2004 @09:45PM (#10224139)
    More to the point why doesn't Slashdot just put links to the actual article at the top, under the heading... I remember this was one of the most confusing things when I first started reading slashdot - which of the links buried in the text is the point of the item?

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