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Your Car Is Reading Your Email 143

mjamil writes "The NYT is running an article about yet another case mod for your auto. This one, manufactured by a company called CarBot, lets you check mail wirelessly, and reads it to you, amongst other things. Amusing sidelines: note the /. reference in the images in the article, and check the fully featured CarBot Web site." Update: 09/10 00:29 GMT by H : This guy has also written "Mastering Internet Video: A Guide to Streaming and On-Demand Video".
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Your Car Is Reading Your Email

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  • by AKAImBatman ( 238306 ) * <akaimbatman AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday September 09, 2004 @09:36AM (#10199805) Homepage Journal
    On the dashboard-mounted touch screen, a push of the Play button produced a reading of the new e-mail, a test message sent that morning with text from "Macbeth."

    "Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow," the voice said.


    I'm not sure I could take a Shakespeare quoting car! Next thing you know, you'll be hearing:

    To be, or not to be!

    Whether 'tis nobler in the engine to suffer
    The grinding and torture of outrageous driving,
    Or to take wheels against a sea of backfires,
    And by opposing end them?

    To putter out: to run out of gas;
    No more; and by running out of gas to say we end
    The engine-grinding and the thousand natural shocks
    That metal is heir to, 'tis a consummation
    Devoutly to be wish'd. To putter out, to run out of gas
  • Come on (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 09, 2004 @09:38AM (#10199824)
    Can't we just get by without having the need to read email. Atleast while fucking driving. As if we didn't have enough people not paying attention during driving already.
    • Re:Come on (Score:5, Funny)

      by Sc00ter ( 99550 ) on Thursday September 09, 2004 @09:55AM (#10199987) Homepage
      My understanding is that it reads the email to you. That way you don't have to look at the screen. I don't see how this would be any different then having a conversation with somebody. Porn popups on the other hand...
      • Re:Come on (Score:3, Interesting)

        by jmcmunn ( 307798 )
        Yes, but I wonder if this is the same as talking on the phone? I read a study (can't remember where) that basically said that talking on the phone casuses more accidents than simply listening to the radio, or even singing along with the radio. It's because, evidently, the human mind tries to paint a picture of the person you are talking to in your head. If that person is in the car with you, talking to you, it takes less brain power because you don't have to think about the person subconciously. This wa
        • Listening to emails being read shouldn't be all that different than listening to the radio.

          Talking on a hands-free phone turns people into crap drivers because their brain starts doing all the stuff you mentioned. But that's due to the conversation element, your brain is making up for the fact that you can't see the person and get all those visual cues as to just what the hell they are on about. I suspect (though have no evidence or reference for) that listening to what is essentially a recorded message w
      • I imagine it would be different in the same way a cell phone (even with "hands-free) still isn't like talking to someone in the car. Although I couldn't see it being worse than an AUdiobook.

        Jaysyn
      • And yet another thing for those that love multitasking in their car to do. And in the porn pop-ups case...yet another thing I hope I never see the guy next to me multitasking to.
    • "Can't we just get by without having the need to read email. Atleast while fucking driving. As if we didn't have enough people not paying attention during driving already. "

      Hmm... I missed the link in between some company offering a product and mass-adoption and carnage.
  • Wardriving mod? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 09, 2004 @09:39AM (#10199830)
    It'd be cool to set up the car (or even a laptop in a car) to wardrive and automatically synchronize email though other people's deliberately shared 802.11 connections -- at least until more cities support such citywide hotspots themselves.
    • Re:Wardriving mod? (Score:3, Insightful)

      by awing0 ( 545366 )
      I wouldn't check my email through other people's wireless networks, even over SSL. Checking slashdot and the news, sure, but you don't know what kind of traps are set on wireless networks - man in the middle attacks, dns spoofing, etc. Not to mention if the connection you happen to pick up isn't deliberately shared, you might be committing "theft of service" and your e-mail account is a nice pointer to who you were.
      • Huh? you don't trust 'other people's networks?' Even with SSL? you don't buy things online then, do you? What attacks are you worried about with SSL? How would the attacker's site spoof the certificate for your POP/IMAP server?
  • by methangel ( 191461 ) on Thursday September 09, 2004 @09:39AM (#10199833)
    ....Kit Car Voice:

    Hello Michael, you have mail ...

    "Size does matter!"
    NATURAL PENIS ENLARGEMENT!

    GAIN 3 Inches to your Penis, with VPRX penis pills!

    CURE IMPOTENCE! GAIN STAMINA! HARDEN ERECTIONS!
    100% GUARANTEED RESULTS!

    SPECIAL DEAL TODAY!! ORDER 3 AND GET 3 FREE!!!

    That is all the mail you have at this time Michael.

    /end Kit voice
    • Personally I thought Kit would be reading ads for remote car starters, security systems, and NO2 setups.
    • Thanks for posting that, saved me some typing :P www.geocities.com/James_Sager_PA
    • Perfect (Score:4, Funny)

      by JavaRob ( 28971 ) on Thursday September 09, 2004 @11:38AM (#10201302) Homepage Journal
      ::: whoosh whoosh :::
      KIT: Michael, I couldn't help but notice...

      Knight: What's that, Kit? Speak up, now -- we've got a busy day ahead of us!

      KIT: Well, Michael, you seem to be getting quite a lot of unusual spam lately. Perhaps -- ::: whoosh whoosh :::

      KIT: Perhaps you've been spending a little too much of the Foundation's research funding on, well, unorthodox internet research?

      Knight: Oh, come on now --

      KIT: Let me be completely honest with you, Michael -- I've been doing some research of my own, thanks to the new wireless module you installed last week. First of all, let me say that my infrared sensors inform me that your genitalia is within the parameters of normality for a man of your size, according to recent medical databases. Second, I happened to run across some photos of a stripped-down '79 Thunderbird that... well, raised some questions about the programming of my human emotion emulation chip. I experienced a... startling reaction to the graphical data, Michael. ::: whoosh whoosh :::
    • If you're gonna shoot for realism, you should at least misspell every couple words....
    • Some of the spam could partially stopped with a filter at your ISP, or your own mailserver for us big geeks.

      I see much more potential for social hacking from digrunteled acquaintances. Imagine getting an email like this one and having it read out by the car:

      From: Darl

      Hi, John. Just wanted to remind you that you still haven't given back the woodchipper. ..,.,.
      End of message,.,.

      Low fuel! Low fuel!
      Fuel meter disabled.
      Low fuel!
      Engine failure imminent.....
      .
      .
      .
      Fire! Fire! Abandon vehichle! Explosion alert! E

  • by lukewarmfusion ( 726141 ) on Thursday September 09, 2004 @09:40AM (#10199839) Homepage Journal
    V14GR4? All the other 'adult' spam? The Nigerian scam emails?

    I'm pretty sure it will sound like Quagmire from The Family Guy.
  • Or... (Score:5, Informative)

    by CommanderData ( 782739 ) * <kevinhi@yaho[ ]om ['o.c' in gap]> on Thursday September 09, 2004 @09:40AM (#10199848)
    You go buy an M100 [mini-box.com] with an ITPS [mini-box.com] for ignition control. Then you go download MediaEngine [mediaengine.org] or another interface of your choice at MP3car.com [mp3car.com]. Finally, go buy your Lilliput 7" TFT touchscreen on eBay [ebay.com].

    If you're into self installs and whatnot this gives you a lot more flexibility at less cost.
  • ... while you're driving, and let you dictate your comments to the car for posting here?
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Computer, reply to the part where it said

      "let you dictate your comments to the car for posting here?"

      Hi web get, inn response two your quest yon about post --- HOLY SHIT that was close! Now where was eye? Oh yeah, your post about dictating comments from your car, eyed like too say SCREW YOU TOO, PUNK. Wait! Don't print that part. That was to the other driver. *sigh* What I'm trying to say is we all ready have the technology to dictate from our cars. Inn fact, I'm doing it write now. Unfortunately,

    • You do need an additional plugin, which I STAY IN YOUR OWN LANE YOU IDIOT just got done installing. It's kind of OH SHIT nice, except there's no LOOK WHERE YOU'RE GOING YOU ALMOST HIT ME backspace function. They need to work on this because right now WHY ARE YOU BRAKING the comments end up full of off topic OH SHIT OH SHIT

      Damn, that guy's front seat is full of empty Budweiser cans. What's the number for the highway patrol? Oh wait, I should end that slashdot comment I was writing.

      end comment
  • Oh, great. Now the Highway Patrol has to worry about attributing car crashes to m 3 ga p3n1le enh4nc3mEnt!!!!11111
  • Yet another way for me not to be able to escape.
  • Alright, when can we disconnect ourselves from the matrix?
  • Disconnect! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by calypso15 ( 767323 ) on Thursday September 09, 2004 @09:45AM (#10199894) Homepage
    For the love of god people, disconnect once in a while. I'm all about tech, I do it for a living, but I'm still able to stand being away from my email, cell-phone, and CS long enough to drive from work to home. Heck, I've even been known to enjoy a vacation now and then.

    I mean, I know something like this might be more for show than anything. "Oh yeah? Well I can check my email in my CAR sucka!" But, it's just a tad ridiculous.
    • My guess is that you don't live in a large metro area... some people where I work drive for over an hour each way in traffic, to get to their job. Being able to check email and hit hotspots to actually be a little productive along the way would make their lives much easier.

      Now, I am not saying that the driver would be typing out emails on 285W, but getting up to date on what happened over the evening and so far this morning could definitely give someone the edge.

      And think of the MP3 Library a 60GB HDD co
      • But my 45 minute drive to work is where I get away from all the damn gadgets to start with! ;)

        (about 8000 songs, extrapolating from the size & content of my library)

        Jaysyn
    • Re:Disconnect! (Score:3, Insightful)

      by penguinoid ( 724646 )
      Yes, yes, disconnect! Go to a dark, quiet room. Light some candles and sit crosslegged saying "Ommm" and disconnect from the world for at least an hour each day. You know you will feel better for it.</overkill>

      Seriously, quit being a karma whore. As you might be aware, most slashdotters don't have a frigging huge computer integrated into their car, and even if they did, they wouldn't need to use it.
    • "For the love of god people, disconnect once in a while. I'm all about tech, I do it for a living, but I'm still able to stand being away from my email, cell-phone, and CS long enough to drive from work to home. "

      And the immediate leap to the conclusion that it's so that people can stay in the loop while driving begins. Never mind that it'd be a useful device for business types who'd want to use it while sitting at the Starbucks parking-lot....

      Man I'm so sick of the doom and gloom "People are on the net
  • you insensitive clod!
  • Just great. (Score:4, Funny)

    by DarkHand ( 608301 ) on Thursday September 09, 2004 @09:47AM (#10199914)
    Wonderful. Now my car will be calling me Dave.

    'Your wife is looking for you, Dave...
    You're 6 miles an hour over the speed limit, Dave'
    Open the car door, HAL!
  • Will I be able to read my mail while I am in the bathroom while I crap, oh sorry, I guess you can in France, they even have this nice water that shoots up your arse so you don't have to use paper. Okay the car thing isn't that bad then.
  • by Himring ( 646324 ) on Thursday September 09, 2004 @09:47AM (#10199916) Homepage Journal
    This could be a bad thing for the postal system if it makes it into USPS vehicles. Imagine a postal worker who uses AOL, driving around hearing, "you got mail!" all day. Talk about "going postal...."
  • you can build a shuttle for like 1/4 the price... Plus stay away from the M$ which could probably be hacked to take control of your car!
  • /.'ed (Score:2, Funny)

    by tuxter ( 809927 )
    Car - would you like me to browse the web? Me - Shut up Car - Opening favourites Me - shut up! Car - Opening link to /. article Me - Noooooo! Car grinds to halt with "404" displaying on dash
  • Great!!! (Score:1, Funny)

    by brxndxn ( 461473 )
    Now my car is going to tell me that my penis is too small... and to think, I bought my car to compensate!

  • Good to hear that the email is read to you. It's bad enough when people drive using their cell-phones, I can't imagine someone reading their email while driving.

    It's interesting that this was mentioned today; On my way to work this morning, I saw someone reading a book while they were driving!! Kid in the backseat too... These people will only learn when it's too late.


  • Now I will have to listen to my car telling me my life needs viagra ...

  • by FunWithHeadlines ( 644929 ) on Thursday September 09, 2004 @09:53AM (#10199969) Homepage
    There has been a disconnect occurring with regard to email in recent years. With the proliferation of Blackberry type devices, and the ever-present need of middle managers to feel important, email has been turned into a real-time form of communication. "Hey, I just sent you an email, didya get it?" "Hey, why haven't you answered my email yet?"

    This is all wrong. Email is designed specifically to be the form of communication that lets you control when you read it. It's designed around you, not you around it. If you need to reach somebody immediately, use the phone -- that's what it's for.

    So having your car read you email is really only useful for a tiny subset of the population. For the rest it's just another way to distract yourself from your own thoughts while driving, or a way to make yourself feel important, or a way to harass your underlings at work ("Jenkins, I just got your email, and that's not at all the way I wanted you to proceed on that project!").

    • There is another way I've noticed email being used, though, and that is when you want a "written" record of a conversation that you couldn't get with a phone conversation. Those same middle managers that you talk about are the ones most interested in having the ability to pull up an old email (out of their 5 GB mailbox) and say "see, the vendor told me this, it's not my fault". It is the classic "no one ever got fired for buying Microsoft" argument, and that is why they think it should be realtime; becaus
      • That's a very good point. In fact, I use my email that way too, to have a permanent record of business decisions I can refer back to if needed. So yes, you're right, it probably is replacing the phone in people's minds. 'Get it in writing' is the mindset.

        Still, no reason why it has to be a real-time communication form. You cannot assume that someone is a) at their desk at that moment; b) not too busy doing work to read their email at that moment. Of course, they do assume such things all the time, bu

    • I am sooo glad someone else thinks this. You know I remember back on IRC 10 years ago when someone could send you a message and it was completely acceptable if you got back to them within the next hours or maybe even days.

      Why?

      BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE LIVES.

      At college (been out less than a year)... if I didn't have an away message up everyone assumed I wouldn't respond immediately. And God forbid you walk away from your computer to do something else without putting up an away message in AIM. I couldn't begin t
    • "...or a way to harass your underlings at work ("Jenkins, I just got your email, and that's not at all the way I wanted you to proceed on that project!")."

      I hate to nitpick, but if Jenkins reports to me or I'm his direct customer...how is that harassing Jenkins? Sounds to me like I'd be saving either/both of us time and headaches. If you were Jenkins, wouldn't you want to know ASAP? What if I waited until you were done, or worse...until your performance review?
  • by sjf ( 3790 ) on Thursday September 09, 2004 @09:54AM (#10199981)
    It's fine if you don't get much email, but for real world use, speech synthesis and voice recognition are an useless interface for email.

    -S
  • by Zorilla ( 791636 ) on Thursday September 09, 2004 @09:54AM (#10199982)
    Next thing you know, you'll be driving around with your wife and kids in the car (I know, I know, what's a "wife") in broad daylight when suddenly the car blurts out, "Looks like you're trying to drive to the porno shop! Would you like me to provide directions to The Nipple Factory?"
    • Amazon.com email:
      "Here are some product recommendations based on your past purchases at amazon.com:
      • Lil' Partner adult play doll, just $19.95!
      • Captain America-theme vibrating pleasure toy, $26.95 each-- save and buy two for $39.95 like you did with your set of "Booty Commander" role-play outfit!
      • KY Jelly, bulk "industrial" packs for $0.50 per tube. Great deal!

      Would you like to see more recommendations for your selected purchase circle, "Self-described Middle Aged Nympho Dads?"


      the wife wouldn't tal

  • Linux project? (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    quote from site:
    A. While CarBot uses unique hardware and software, it is essentially an Intel motherboard running Windows XP. You can install any software on CarBot, so long as it is compatible with Windows XP - just remember that software changes are made at your own risk, so please exercise care and caution if you choose to do so!

    Anyone know if there is allready a linux project for this? Like MythTV but then with car options.
  • Vitals Missing from the Spec Sheet? What are the approved heat/cold and humidity ranges for the "CarBot"? I didn't see those on the "Spec Sheet"...
  • Not Impressed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hotspotbloc ( 767418 ) on Thursday September 09, 2004 @10:06AM (#10200072) Homepage Journal
    I'm sorry, I'm not. For $1450.00USD [carbotpc.com] you get a VIA Epia-M motherboard, 256M RAM, 20G HD, 802.11g adapter and a GPS receiver. Kinda pricey. Buy the screen from them and add $420USD. IMO it's a nice DIY project but not a very good finished product.

    The other complaint is with using MS WinXP Home. While XP is fine on a system with a standard keyboard and mouse it's hardly the best interface for a car. At least go with XP Pro so you can RDP into it for updates, repairs, etc.. This really calls for a semi customized OS and GUI (GNU/Linux or *BSD and X) with a tightly integrated voice control system. I don't want mess with a trackpad while driving.

    I think a well crafted "car pc" would be nice and would sell. The CarBot, while nice and on par with some other DIY car computers it's nothing special.

    • Problem #1

      there is NO navigation software for Linux. Yes I know about GPS drive, that can not do any navigation it just looks pretty... real navigation tells me to "turn right in 1000 feet and continue west on lower wacker drive, the next turn will be to the left"

      until we get a few people together to make a navigation system linux is really not a part of the car-computer scene... and that sucks. One critical app is missing and nobody is working on it.
  • Just what I need: (Score:1, Redundant)

    by Vorgo ( 448106 )
    Great. Now I can have my car read me all my important spam:

    Dear Vorgo

    I am Barrister John peter esq., a solicitor at law. I am the personal attorney to Mr. Pitt Tyler , a national of your country...
  • From the caption in the first picture:

    Damien Stolarz of CarBot. The equipment can include, from left, a CD changer, CarBot unit and amplifier.

    Look at that picture... somebody needs to tell the NYT the difference between right and left.
  • In the UK, would this not count as driving without due care and attention, given that you already are banned from using mobile phones in a vehicle? [hmso.gov.uk]
  • Big Deal (Score:3, Informative)

    by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Thursday September 09, 2004 @10:12AM (#10200133) Homepage
    I had a Clarion AutoPC that did that in 1999.

    it was expensive as hell as it used a special pager module to recieve the email and then you can send back canned responses (Like a 2 way pager)

    the AutoPC has been discontinued for over 2 years now.
  • Car: Would you like to check your email today

    Driver: Yes

    car begins to read emails

    Car: You have one new mail message....message one , from autotrader.com. Mr. Smith, your trade in allowance for your current car has been approved in the amount of $1200 as part of a downpayment on a new Dodge Viper, please .#$@Ewfsdfsdf^C^C^C.

    Car: What, how could you, and for $1200

    Driver: Let me explain...

    Car: Hmmm, seems we are driving on a very high bridge.

    [Splashing, and exploding sounds]

  • by magefile ( 776388 ) on Thursday September 09, 2004 @10:19AM (#10200195)
    That'd be like calling a new BMW a "carrying case" for an iPod (with an extra pocket for an optional GPS!). Who wrote the article summary?
  • Hive mind (Score:3, Funny)

    by penguinoid ( 724646 ) on Thursday September 09, 2004 @10:20AM (#10200201) Homepage Journal
    Yes, I was also going to post something about sitting in your car with your S.O. and just as things start to get hot, your car blurts out "V1@GRA! P3N15 3NHANC3M3NT!!! 3 inches GUARANTEED!!!"

    All this worrying about the Micro$oft mind-control ray, but perhaps we should be worried about Slashdot mind-control?
  • I can already smell MTV's next show already in the works. Geek my ride. Old beat up cars that get turned into l33t g33k m0bi1e35!!!1!!11

    Xzibit: "So Bob, we took your old 1972 Honda Civic and fixed it up for you, now take a look and tell me what you think"

    Bob: "I can't believe it!! It's got the crunk WIFI in the ceiling!! QWERTY keyboards in the headrests!!! Flat screens in the dashboards!!! And oooh shit, is that an Opteron in the trunk?!? It runs linux?!? OMGWTFBBQ!!!
    I still won't be able to g
  • The thought of a car reading my email (er, spam?) to me while driving is rather frightening. I'm not so sure I really want to have a dry, monotonous, computer voice reading the text of a p0rn spam email to me while driving (heck, I don't think I'd want this even if I wasn't driving!!).

  • We MUST be connected. We must be reachable at all times, under all circumstances. Why, why why? I don't think it has anything to do with your friends or your family or your business. I think people do it because we can, mainly, and because we like gadgets. But once the honeymoon with your new gadget is over, you're a slave to it. The gadget wants attention. The gadget needs a recharge. The gadget needs a patch. The gadget is obsolete. You know what? Let the gadget die.
    • Right on!( as we surf /. )
    • I whitelist individuals.

      Family, wife, kids, mom & dad (not the annoying kind) and a few select friends. Everyone else takes the back seat when it comes to online, email, IM, even slashdot pals. Those on the whitelist don't abuse it b/c they know it's for important things or emergencies. Kids.. well, they're another story but that's why you raise them correctly, right?

      it's about controlling your enviroment, not your enviroment controlling you. you can learn to unplug, and for those of us that enjoy th
  • Lets hope that they default to leave messages on server (as most mail clients don't). Otherwise you will have to walk to your car to get the messages you received while driving...
  • The title of this article sounds like the second sentence in a Fark.com [fark.com] headline.
  • I'm pretty sure whoever labeled the picture at the top is dyslexic, or doesn't know his right from his left.

    That or they made a CD changer that looks exactly like an amp, and an amp that looks just like a CD changer.

    -Peter
  • by AchilleTalon ( 540925 ) on Thursday September 09, 2004 @11:23AM (#10201120) Homepage
    I wonder how this thing will handle winter temperature here. It is not unusual to have some days and nights the mercury going -25 C and even -30 C.

    And what about closed windows during an extra-hot summer day with the mercury going 40 C? Passive cooling is likely to not work at all.

  • by mnemotronic ( 586021 ) <mnemotronic@noSpaM.gmail.com> on Thursday September 09, 2004 @11:48AM (#10201421) Homepage Journal
    That title "Your Car Is Reading Your Email" has a vaguely Tom-Waits-ish feel to it, and reminded me of his song "The Piano Has been drinking". (Lyrics at bottom) so I was inspired to cobble together this little diddy:

    My Car Is Reading My Email
    pm thompson

    My car is reading my email,
    my washer is off sending spam.
    My VCR knows the washer and car,
    it's erasing the audit trail.
    My iPod is copying DVDs,
    and ignoring those digital rights.
    My toilet is tanking my bank account
    at on-line gambling sites.

    My cell phone plays Doom till the sun comes up,
    then dials 911.
    My blender's a poster of pix of the toaster
    doin' the freezer goats.ex.

    The heater's been hacked,
    (those Russians can't be tracked)
    The stove is blue screen
    (you know what I mean)
    The dryer is stuck
    playing Solitare.
    It won't get hot.
    It won't blow air.

    And my wristwatch?
    Well, it's downloading porn.
    Lyrics from http://www.lyricsfreak.com/t/tom-waits/138944.html ),
    The piano has been drinking, my necktie is asleep
    And the combo went back to new york, the jukebox has to take a leak
    And the carpet needs a haircut, and the spotlight looks like a prison break
    And the telephone's out of cigarettes, and the balcony is on the make
    And the piano has been drinking, the piano has been drinking...

    And the menus are all freezing, and the light man's blind in one eye
    And he can't see out of the other
    And the piano-tuner's got a hearing aid, and he showed up with his mother
    And the piano has been drinking, the piano has been drinking
    As the bouncer is a sumo wrestler cream-puff casper milktoast
    And the owner is a mental midget with the i.q. of a fence post
    'cause the piano has been drinking, the piano has been drinking...

    And you can't find your waitress with a geiger counter
    And she hates you and your friends and you just can't get served without her
    And the box-office is drooling, and the bar stools are on fire
    And the newspapers were fooling, and the ash-trays have retired
    'cause the piano has been drinking, the piano has been drinking
    The piano has been drinking, not me, not me, not me, not me, not me
  • by marco0009 ( 716718 ) <<marco0009> <at> <gmail.com>> on Thursday September 09, 2004 @02:12PM (#10203349)
    Some states (such as Texas, where I live) have laws against display devices being the the drivers field of view unless they are used to display driving information (such as speed, fuel, etc.) Check your state laws before you run out and mod yoru car (or pay to have it modded) as I was hasseled by my local police, even though my 7" screen displays driving information, but I happened to be running WinAmp with MilkDrop at the time I was pulled over.

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