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'Cut and Paste' Is Out, 'Pick and Drop' Is In 327

Roland Piquepaille writes "How do you exchange a file with a colleague or a photograph with a family member? Chances are that you cut the desired element and paste it into your e-mail program to send it. Now, imagine yourself in a meeting, picking a file on your PDA with a digital pen and using the same pen to drop it on your friend's laptop screen. This is exactly what Jun Rekimoto and his team at Sony Interaction Laboratory have developed with their 'pick and drop' technique. BBC News looks at this project in Digital pen takes on mouse. Because it's based on cheap and existing components, such a system might be released in the near future, though Sony hasn't announced any plans to do it. You'll find more details and pictures in this overview."
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'Cut and Paste' Is Out, 'Pick and Drop' Is In

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  • Novelty? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by BlindSpy ( 772849 ) on Friday June 11, 2004 @11:07AM (#9397864) Homepage Journal
    To me it just seems like another one of those novelty items. On the other hand, if they can get it to be as robust and enough mem like thumb drives, they could really take off.
  • Will sony open source it?
    Will MS support it?
    Will they give these pens out for free?

    Will anyone actually use it?
  • The question (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jeffkjo1 ( 663413 ) on Friday June 11, 2004 @11:08AM (#9397882) Homepage
    The question is, how long before 'pick and drop' is patented and no one else can use it without paying exhorbant liscencing fees.

    What's sad about the above statement is it's not meant as humor.
  • Hmm (Score:5, Insightful)

    by PktLoss ( 647983 ) * on Friday June 11, 2004 @11:09AM (#9397892) Homepage Journal
    A business card pre-encoded with the contact information for its owner would be cool. Hand someone your card, they touch it to their PDA and hand it back.

    Other more permenant uses would also be cool, get train schedules (including changes due to repairs (Those in NYC know just how important that detail is) at the station with a quick touch.
  • Good thing (Score:2, Insightful)

    by ifoxtrot ( 529292 ) on Friday June 11, 2004 @11:12AM (#9397945)
    I really like the idea behind this because it targets a specific audience that will really benefit from it: i.e. people who have to use computers to work, but don't want to know how they work.
    Sure it won't be as efficient as cut + paste (won't work on remote machines for e.g.), or as powerful + customisable as a perl script, but for day-to-day needs of people who don't have or want a clue this may be a step further to making computers invisible (kinda like the taps and sinks and washing machines we're so used to when we want water)
  • Umm... No (Score:3, Insightful)

    by windside ( 112784 ) <pmjboyle@@@gmail...com> on Friday June 11, 2004 @11:13AM (#9397956)

    How do you exchange a file with a colleague or a photograph with a family member? Chances are that you cut the desired element and paste it into your e-mail program to send it.

    No. That's what the "attach" button is for. I've always found cut & paste into an email to be quite dodgy.

  • Awww COMEON..... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by schild ( 713993 ) on Friday June 11, 2004 @11:13AM (#9397961) Homepage Journal
    What the hell is the difference? Seriously. Now instead of using programs already implemented and functioning, we'll have to carry around a little pen with some memory or bluetooth or some other technology built in? Thus slowing down bootup time, adding more drivers to deal with, and potentially more flaws? I love how the article says "this is very intuitive..." Shit guys, cut & paste is intuitive cuz we've been doing it the better part of 20 years, now you want to 'shift the paradigm' (TM).

    Sony should have seriously sat back and said, "ya know, it isn't broken and it doesn't need to be made any better right now, we have better things to spend money on." But noooo, instead Joe Jackass VP said "Hyuk, I wanna touch my friends laptop and have my files automagically pop onto their computer."

    And holy hacking batman, this is a whole new world of identity/property theft.
  • by pulse2600 ( 625694 ) on Friday June 11, 2004 @11:30AM (#9398155)
    I prefer copy and paste. That way I won't lose the original data if I happen to screw it up.
  • by jerroldr ( 247140 ) on Friday June 11, 2004 @11:41AM (#9398284)
    So why use the pen at all .... why not use biometrics ... maybe fingerprints .... grab (pinch) a file and move it to the other guys machine .... you would just have to make sure that your finger print is readable on each end.
  • by Waffle Iron ( 339739 ) on Friday June 11, 2004 @11:43AM (#9398313)
    If history is a guide, there will be two incompatible types of pens: Sony pens, and the pens used by everyone else.

    All Sony electronic products will only support Sony pens, and all non-Sony products will interoperate amongst themselves, but not with Sony devices.

    This annoying situation will persist for at least a decade.

  • how it works (Score:5, Insightful)

    by enbody ( 472304 ) on Friday June 11, 2004 @11:46AM (#9398352) Homepage
    A number of posters seem to have missed the point on how it is implemented (not surprising because that is hard to find in the articles). The key concept seems to be some shared space such as a server. The BBC article says:

    "The 'pick and drop' system was developed using the Mitsubishi Amity handheld pen computer and a Wacom PL300 pen-sensitive desktop screen.

    Pens are given a unique ID, which is readable by the computer when the pen is close to its screen.

    When a person taps on an icon with the pen, the computer contacts a 'pen manager' server, via a fixed or wireless connection, and the object is attached to the pen, although the pen itself has no storage capacity.

    When the pen tip comes close to the screen of another device, a shadow of the attached object appears on its screen.

    Tapping the pen tip instructs the 'pen manager' server to copy the file to that location."
  • Re:Tom!!! (Score:2, Insightful)

    by moranar ( 632206 ) on Friday June 11, 2004 @11:47AM (#9398356) Homepage Journal

    The only problem with that interface is that it becomes tiresome after a short while. This is (one of) the reason for the failure of touchscreens as data input methods. People get tired of having their arms up in the air.

  • by Short Circuit ( 52384 ) <mikemol@gmail.com> on Friday June 11, 2004 @11:48AM (#9398379) Homepage Journal
    Now on a related note, I found that after hours of playing Castle Wolfenstein (back then), I had the urge to push on every brick wall I found to see if there was a hidden room behind it.

    I figured out a pattern that led to moderate success. Look for secrets behind features(Tapestries, wreaths, portraits, etc.) on the walls. Generally speaking, there'll only be a secret behind a relatively blank section of wall if it's a short wall. (Such as the secret exit in the first level of the first episode.)
  • by pbhj ( 607776 ) on Friday June 11, 2004 @11:49AM (#9398380) Homepage Journal
    You mean just like CDs did ...? Or perhaps you mean like nurofen (tradename for ibuprofen, granted it's more widespread since the patent lapsed, but it didn't die). Maybe, you mean that it will fade away like ring-pulls ...

    Just because something is protected by a patent doesn't mean that it can't be licensed reasonably. Rewarding good, genuinely innovative, ideas is OK in my book.

    Of course, this is quite clever as it uses hardware as well as software and so can more easily be patented in places that restrict software patents (which is still true in Europe, whatever the press says).

    pbhj
  • Re:Umm... No (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Mr_Silver ( 213637 ) on Friday June 11, 2004 @11:50AM (#9398400)
    No. That's what the "attach" button is for. I've always found cut & paste into an email to be quite dodgy.

    Why is this 4, Insightful? I've never used "attach" because once I've browsed to the location of the picture which i want to send the last thing I want to do is hit "attach" and re-browse for it again.

    Therefore, being the lazy sod I am, I've always dragged and dropped it into the email and never had any issues.

    Mind you, i've only ever used Microsoft mail applications - so maybe Microsoft is the only one that can get it right. But that doesn't seem right to me ...

  • Re:The question (Score:2, Insightful)

    by An. (Coward) ( 258552 ) on Friday June 11, 2004 @11:51AM (#9398409)

    The question is, how long before 'pick and drop' is patented and no one else can use it without paying exhorbant liscencing fees.

    People rightly object to stupid patents on trivial inventions and processes, but unlike most such things that appear on Slashdot, this really is a pretty ingenious innovation, and they're certainly right to patent it. If they license it reasonably, it will take off. If not, well, it'll still be a great idea twenty years from now when the patent expires.

  • Re:Huh? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by ZeroTrace ( 594778 ) on Friday June 11, 2004 @12:12PM (#9398643)
    This actually wouldn't be such a bad idea if the pen had a lot of storage, say somewhere on the order of 1 TB... I know this isn't really feasible but bear with me. Fedex is the highest bandwidth network in the world, you could shove 6 200 GB hard drives into a package, and have it sent same-day air to another person and have it arrive in 5 hours... I'd like to see you transfer that much data that fast over the net. BTW, if you figure out how to do that over the net let me know ;)
  • by WebCowboy ( 196209 ) on Friday June 11, 2004 @12:28PM (#9398829)
    I'd have to say:

    Sony will patent the device and charge substantial license fees to other manufacturers to make them.

    Of course this will be pocket change to MS and they will pay the fees and embrace the technology. Look for MS to add "innovations" which only work when the pen is used on MS-based PDAs, cellphones and PCs. Microsoft will try to patent these so Sony and others cannot legally implemetn them.

    No bloody way will the pens be given out for free. More than likely they "given away" with other hardware (probably Sony-only, but perhaps some other brands later) but the cost will really be built into the bundled price.

    If Sony doesn't try to excessively hoarde the IP then it'll catch on--it's a really cool idea.

    Sony does show some promise however--they have embraced Linux on the PS2 and more recent products so they have some interest in Free SOFTWARE. I'm quite confident that they'd fully cooperate in making such a device work with Linux.

    The question remains however on what they think of Free HARDWARE (Free in the "libre" sense rather than "gratis"). You'd think they'd learn from the Betamax videotape format, however they have persisted to some degree in repeating the same mistakes. How widely deployed is their "memory stick" technology beyond their own products? Next to nonexistent compared to CF, SD/MMC, etc. Now they've invented yet another format for their PSP portable gaming/multimedia device.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 11, 2004 @12:58PM (#9399272)
    Chances are that you cut the desired element and paste it into your e-mail program to send it.

    If you're a retard, maybe. I usually COPY and paste. But maybe that's just me...
  • Again, nothing new (Score:3, Insightful)

    by azav ( 469988 ) on Friday June 11, 2004 @01:36PM (#9399826) Homepage Journal
    If I recall correctly, Timbuktu allowed me to do this in the 1990's

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 11, 2004 @03:35PM (#9401258)
    """Rewarding good, genuinely innovative, ideas is OK in my book."""

    I agree with you on that. However take in account that you're granting monopolies by patents, an thus taking away welfare all common people, which cam be itself also okay. The key issue is to have a an equal payoff by the amount and costs one needs to create the patent, and the payoff of the patent.

    Many don't realie the problem in this way, but in software world the problem is that this both monetary complements spread just far far away. The costs of creating software ideas is rather small, in a programming team they even often come from themselves in regard to projects.

    Now on the other side you've the payoff and the welfare costs you regred the public since you're hindering a free market, and on software patents they are quite high, as 20 years is an enourmous timelapse in software world, and you're often not just monopolizing one product, no you're forcing of hundrets of programmers to work around a patent that even work for totally different products, and even in some cases make unraltet projects fail due to patent restrictions (yes they could pay the license costs, but this might just be the straw that makes a project uneconomic, and believe me for some technologies the license costs are quite enourmous, unpayable for a small and midsize company.)

    In medicince world the welfare costs, the monopol payoff, and the development costs might match, but in other cases it does not.

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