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World's Fastest Flash Memory Card? 311

ResQuad writes "Digital Photography Review has an article about what is claimed as the fastest MMC Memory Flash Card. Not only is this new card 200% faster than any current SD card (rating it at about 22.5MB/s read), its also 2GB. Does anyone need 2GB of memory for their PDA?"
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World's Fastest Flash Memory Card?

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  • by ne0nex ( 612727 ) on Friday June 04, 2004 @12:04AM (#9332163)
    .. is the fact that the article says that it is backwards compatible with older MMC devices. I don't think this will be the case, I have a cheapo mp3 player for my phone (Sony Ericsson mp3 hands-free, the OLD one not the bluetooth one) and the device came with a 32 meg MMC, when i tried to get a 128 meg MMC card, it didn't work. Sony Ericsson said that the device is so old, that 128 meg MMC cards weren't even thought of. I doubt this 2 GIG MMC would work with this "older MMC device". Anyone else have the same experience?
  • i would love 2 GB (Score:4, Interesting)

    by SKPhoton ( 683703 ) on Friday June 04, 2004 @12:05AM (#9332167) Homepage
    I run Familiar [handhelds.org] linux on my iPaq. My ipaq has a mere 32 megs of flash ram. While this is enough for familiar, X, and a few applications, it gets filled up quickly. Once you start adding lots of packages, that 32 megs gets filled up very quickly. In order to get more space, I move all the binaries to an SD card.

    Having 2 gigs available to store packages, not to mention music and even movies would be fantastic, especially for long trips.
  • by attemptedgoalie ( 634133 ) on Friday June 04, 2004 @12:06AM (#9332177)
    Aren't there a set number of accesses that a flash memory device can handle before they're toast?

    I think that's what is holding back adoption of flash based PCs. Screw the expense, if the thing can't have a drive failure, some industries will buy it.
  • Oh yes, I want it (Score:5, Interesting)

    by orthogonal ( 588627 ) on Friday June 04, 2004 @12:09AM (#9332194) Journal
    Does anyone need 2GB of memory for their PDA?

    I don't need, but i want it.

    Since my Archos broke down, and the "repair shop" "fixed" it -- "fixed" it so it will never work again -- I've been using my Zaurus PDA as an MP3 player.

    I can get about six or seven albums*, in MP3 format, on the 512 MB SD card, so the 2 GB would give me room for about 24 albums.

    And I see that this new card is faster, which will be nice: getting all those MP3s on the card does take a while.

    Any idea how much the 2GB card will retail for?
    *
    ./Opera/D'Oyly Carte Opera Company/H.M.S. Pinafore (1930) (update)
    ./Opera/D'Oyly Carte Opera Company/The Very Best of Gilbert and Sullivan (2 CD set)
    ./Opera/D'Oyly Carte Opera Company
    ./Opera
    ./Classical/Ludwig van Beethoven/Symphony no 3 in E flat major, Op. 55 Eroica
    ./Classical/Ludwig van Beethoven/Symphony no 9 in D minor, Op. 125 Choral
    ./Classical/Ludwig van Beethoven
    ./Classical/Brightest Heaven of Invention Flemish Polyphony of the High Renaissance (New London Chamber Choir)
    ./Classical/Aston Magna/J.S. Bach_ A Musical Offering
    ./Classical/Aston Magna
    ./Classical
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 04, 2004 @12:29AM (#9332295)
    I clicked to view this topic, set my Threshold to -1, selected "Nested" as the display style, and immediately hit Ctrl-F and typed "porn".

    "The text you have entered was not found."

    WTF?! Where is the slashdot I know and love?
  • by spage ( 73271 ) <`moc.egapreiks' `ta' `egaps'> on Friday June 04, 2004 @12:32AM (#9332307)

    Indeed. I don't want to carry a phone and an iPod because I don't have three ears for two headsets. But I'd happily pay the money to put some decent storage on my next smartphone so I can listen to music on its hands-free headset.

    The division between a high-end phone and a smartphone/PDA is becoming one of expandability. My spouse's excellent Sanyo VM 4500 plays sounds, pictures, and videos, but has no expandability: Sprint doesn't support the phone's built-in Java and PC docking capability because they want you to get media by paying them $15 a month. Meanwhile the promising Samsung SPH-i550 [palminfocenter.com] runs PalmOS and has the SD expansion slot and explicit docking. That's what I want.

    Another amazing way to get your media on the go is using Rendezvous and Wi-Fi to share it from strangers [theregister.co.uk]. No memory card or phone network required.

  • Re:Music? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by irokitt ( 663593 ) <archimandrites-iaur@@@yahoo...com> on Friday June 04, 2004 @12:35AM (#9332321)
    If it costs less than the iPod, I know I would probably bite. Flash cards are inconvenient compared to a hard drive based player, but the niche is there. Right now, the chioce is between flash-based players like the Muvo (at 64-512 MB) and the iPod (more than 2 gigs but expensive). Something in the 2 GB range would close the gap. Make it 802.11 capable, and you could shop for online music right from the player.

    Of course, I'd assume it will play Ogg Vorbis, right?
  • by tepples ( 727027 ) * <tepples.gmail@com> on Friday June 04, 2004 @12:36AM (#9332326) Homepage Journal

    Large, fast flash cards like this are good for high-quality (no lossy compression) portable audio recording too.

    Even at 24/96 stereo, live audio needs less than 600 KB/s sustained write speed. Recording in 3D Ambisonic surround [ambisonic.net] takes only double that. This page [robgalbraith.com] claims that a CF-compatible Microdrive cartridge can write at over 4 MB/s, so it should have no problem with data rates typical of live audio capture.

    You do still have a point about durability [fredmiranda.com] however.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 04, 2004 @12:51AM (#9332386)
    What you're coming across is an addressing problem... the older devices just don't have the address space to talk to 2Gb of card. Some will fall back and operate with what they can address, some won't talk at all.

    ie, my ancient mp3 player won't talk to a 64Mb card, but my Pioneer CDJ-1000 will quite happily use only 16Mb of it.
  • Re:Music? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by chgros ( 690878 ) <charles-henri.gros+slashdot@m 4 x .org> on Friday June 04, 2004 @01:10AM (#9332454) Homepage
    Of course, I'd assume it will play Ogg Vorbis, right?
    I actually play music on my Zaurus (it's mostly ogg), since my computer (though a laptop) is VERY noisy. I only have a 128MB card though, so I make a playlist (using Gjay) every night and have a script copy the files to the card. It works nicely (though the opie media player is buggy, notably it has what is probably a nasty memory leak, and is always killed when I turn the thing back on the next day. Also when it has a problem with a file, it stops instead of just skipping)
  • Navigation (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Captain_Chaos ( 103843 ) on Friday June 04, 2004 @01:15AM (#9332478)

    One more use, beside the many already mentioned, would be storing maps for satellite navigation devices such as the many Pocket PC / TomTom combo's, or my Garmin iQue [garmin.com]. 2 GB would allow me store the whole of Europe (at street level, with points of interest) on it.

  • Re:Music? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by irokitt ( 663593 ) <archimandrites-iaur@@@yahoo...com> on Friday June 04, 2004 @01:21AM (#9332497)
    The "inconvenience" stems from the fact that 2 GB is nowhere hear large enough to hold much of my music collection (upwards of 10 GB, and some of my friends have more than twice that much on their computers). A hard drive player can hold your entire library. Since most transfer methods for PC-to-flash have yet to realize the full potential of the USB 2.0 or Firewire interfaces, I would have to spend quite a bit of time swapping that flash card in and out of my computer and waiting for files to transfer.

    That said, the ability to shop for music at the local wireless hotspot and then play directly from a device would be sweet, and it's a capability the iPod/iTunes service can't match yet (if it ever will).
  • Re:Flash Memory (Score:2, Interesting)

    by slutdot ( 207042 ) on Friday June 04, 2004 @01:28AM (#9332529)
    My wife is a freelance photographer. On any given shoot, She'll go through at least 5 GB of pitcures and this is just for shots of homes that people are looking to sell. I followed her along on one of these this weekend and in about 15 minutes, she went through two 2 GB cards. This was just the interior of an empty 1500 sq. foot home. I couldn't believe it. She said it's much worse when she's shooting portraits. But like you said, there's never enough memory. This is especially true if you choose to shoot RAW images instead of JPEG or some other format.

    In order to resolve this lack of space problem, she carries her laptop with her so she can clear the cards by dropping the pics on the laptop. It's a much cheaper (and safer in my opinion) solution than buying a single large card.
  • by davmoo ( 63521 ) on Friday June 04, 2004 @01:41AM (#9332559)
    Does anyone need 2GB of memory for their PDA?

    Actually, yes, as a matter of fact I do.

    I use my PDA (a Zire 71) as a portable music device. I do not like moving parts in standard players when I am also in motion. I'd love to be able to have 2 gig of tunes in my pocket with no hard drive or CD required.
  • I wonder... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by pb ( 1020 ) on Friday June 04, 2004 @02:19AM (#9332650)
    As flash memory speeds and capacities increase, maybe we could start using them for swap partitions or something. As long as it's faster than a hard drive and cheaper than RAM, I think they'd be quite useful.
  • by iamacat ( 583406 ) on Friday June 04, 2004 @04:03AM (#9332873)
    "Nano-iPOD" with two of those cards and small enough to fit in a pair of cute white headphones with a sports ear band. Yum!
  • Re:Flash Memory (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Graff ( 532189 ) on Friday June 04, 2004 @04:15AM (#9332905)
    My wife is a freelance photographer. On any given shoot, She'll go through at least 5 GB of pitcures and this is just for shots of homes that people are looking to sell.
    ...
    In order to resolve this lack of space problem, she carries her laptop with her so she can clear the cards by dropping the pics on the laptop.

    She should get the 40 GB iPod and one of the Belkin accessories that allow you to transfer photos to an iPod without a computer. There's a media reader [belkin.com] and one that connects through USB [belkin.com].

    This combination would be much less bulky and awkward than having to lug around a laptop and overall it will save you money that you would normally spend on a ton of flash cards. Not to mention that juggling a laptop and a camera is just asking for something to fall and get damaged. Another benefit is that you can keep 5 MB or so of music on the iPod to use it as a music player and still have plenty of room for photos.
  • by amix ( 226257 ) on Friday June 04, 2004 @05:29AM (#9333111) Journal
    Does anyone need 2GB of memory for their PDA?

    No, since I don't have one.

    But CF is not a PDA/DigiCam only storage.
    I use it as IDE harddisk on generic ATX motherboards for both my media- and lan-server.

    For the media-server (512MB Kingston CF) it stores, read-only, all the system and applications. This means, that when I listen to internet-radio, CD, watch a movie (TV or DVD) I do not need to spin up the storage disks. Similar for my 24/ server (also 512MB Kingston), which only spins up the disks, when some action happens (fetchmail, logfile). When I am abroad the system is mostly idle, except for the fetchmail every six hours and my own SSH access.

  • by torpor ( 458 ) <ibisum.gmail@com> on Friday June 04, 2004 @07:10AM (#9333320) Homepage Journal
    Hell yeah. This means I can load up not only all my favourite utils, but the source as well.

    There is nothing quite so useful as the Sharp Zaurus PDA's, well set up, well configured, and running in your pocket.

    Having a complete Linux install, source and all, wherever I go, for any particular practical reason I have it, gives me what I've wanted since the day I unwrapped my first MIPS Magnum pizzabox and plonked it on my desktop: a portable, power Linux workstation.

    So yeah, please. I'll be getting a 2GIG SD card for my Zaurus as soon as I can find one locally ... looking forward to it.

    In short: Sonic Screwdriver!
  • by PeterChenoweth ( 603694 ) on Friday June 04, 2004 @10:18AM (#9334436)
    a 2GB SD card would let me keep roadmaps for my GPS mapping/routing software for the entire US in non-zipped format. And that high speed card would mean for quick searches and route planning. Sweet.
  • 2GB = a good start (Score:3, Interesting)

    by dazedNconfuzed ( 154242 ) on Friday June 04, 2004 @10:30AM (#9334525)
    Does anyone need 2GB of memory for their PDA?


    A truly silly question on /. ! With PDAs playing MP3s and recording videos, 2GB amounts to a good start.

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