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qengho writes
"Vstone's programmable and automonous humanoid robot Robovie-M can play soccer, throw a ball both over- and underhand, and even demonstrate shame (over a missed shot, presumably). Lots of QuickTime movies of the bot in action."
Where are the (Score:5, Funny)
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OK, but what about the hooligans ? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Sigh. (Score:1, Insightful)
Americans may not like soccer, but at least they have a better less-confusing name for it.
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(In short: yes, I agree with you).
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Vespucci did come to America, only it was South America and not North America. He was a cartographer sent by the Spanish crown to map the "New World", and he was the one who realized that it was a whole new continent, and not some part of Asia as Columbus thought. (Columbus' calculations for the distance to Asia were way off).
Therefore, Americo Vespucci was the one who actually "discovered" America (the continent), so it was eventually named after him.
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Hummm... please forgive my stubbornness, but... precisely the point of the whole football vs soccer issue is that "common usage" is not really common at all, meaning not universal.
In the USA, the term "America" refers to the United States. In other places, "America" refers to the continent, and people from other "American" countries call themselves "American". When referring to U.S. citizens, they use other terms.
This g
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In parts of Wales football means rugby.
In fact soccer is probably only called 'football' in England and Scotland (elsewhere it's futbol, calcio, etc)!
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I agree with you. In one sport, a spherical object (a ball) is mainly propelled by the feet of the players.
In the other sport, a pointy object that isn't even oval shaped (called by some a ball, but that's pushing the definition of ball way too much) is only occasionally kicked, and is almost always carried or thrown by the players' arms.
Obviously, if one of these sports is to be called football, it's the first one (and most of the world does just that).
The
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I dont see a lot of insects in a game of cricket, yet somehow people still understand what it means.
Yeesh.
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Sports don't have to be described by their names but it's really useful (basketball, baseball, athletism...), and it's awfully confusing when the name describes a different thing.
Regarding cricket [upe.ac.za]: Wherever the name 'cricket' came from - and from the various theories 'cricce', Anglo-Saxon for a stick, is the generally accepted or
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Speak English, and we'll call it football.
Deal?
Sincerely,
North America.
Congratulations on your Score 5, Flamebait. Take a picture of that for posterity.
Now get over it. The US is not the only country that refers to that sport as Soccer. While most of the rest of the world refers to it as futbol or some variant thereof, that doesn't mean that suddenly the US should rename one of it's most popular sports, which developed at roughly the same time and carries with it large entrenc
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NFL Chronology 1869-1910 [nfl.com]
Wanders off whistling, hands in pockets
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1869
Rutgers and Princeton played a college soccer football game, the first ever, November 6. The game used modified London Football Association rules. During the next seven years, rugby gained favor with the major eastern schools over soccer, and modern football began to develop from rugby.
1876
At the Massasoit convention, the first rules for American football were written. Walter Camp, who would become known as the father of American football, first became involved with the game.
So, American Football (Gridiron) is based on Rugby, which is a sibling of Football (the game where you kick the ball all the time).
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US foreign policy does a fine job of that itself
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Re:U.S. Football Capitalist Game; Soccer Marxest G (Score:1)
Re:U.S. Football Capitalist Game; Soccer Marxest G (Score:2)
Re:Sigh. - Cowboys vs. Man. U. (Score:2)
Power vs. Speed.
bot games (Score:1)
Re:bot games (Score:2)
Re:bot games (Score:2, Funny)
Commentator: "What's your strategy going into the second half?"
Robo-player: "Well, we just weren't scoring enough points was the problem. We're gonna try to play hard and score some more goals than we did in the first half."
Commentator: "All right."
I don't think the soccer-playing robot would have too much trouble doing a retarded dance in the end zone, so I think we're set.
The real challenge will be to teach robots to make terrible jokes and use th
Re:bot games (Score:1)
But how autonomous? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:But how autonomous? (Score:2)
Anyone else think it looked like a mini-me version of Giant Robot?
Especially given all those strange arm movements and waving to the crowd, et al.
Re:But how autonomous? (Score:2)
I can imagine the toy company new product people wetting their pants over this little guy.
Asimo doesn't have boards for hands and feet (Score:2, Insightful)
Robot Shame (Score:1, Funny)
Is shame *really* what we want in a robot?
After all, there's no shame liking wetting oneself
-kgj
Re:Robot Shame (Score:5, Funny)
509 - Server Is Expressing Shame for not handling
slashdot load.
Big deal (Score:1, Offtopic)
Hmm (Score:4, Insightful)
There's a big difference between demonstrating shame and feeling shame. It's a pretty paltry feature compared to the ability to automate its motions so well. I wonder how well it'll do in the RoboCup?
Re:Hmm (Score:2, Funny)
"Awww, look! He's sad because he... MY FLESH!!"
Re:Hmm (Score:1)
Carnegie Mellon AIBOs pwn this (Score:5, Informative)
check it out here [cmu.edu]
Re:Carnegie Mellon AIBOs pwn this (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Carnegie Mellon AIBOs pwn this (Score:2)
Makes me wonder why we lost to CMU in last year's RoboCup '03.
*tongue in cheek*
On another note, I heard that Tucker was a former F16 pilot - any idea? I should say he is a damn cool guy, though.
Re:Carnegie Mellon AIBOs pwn this (Score:1)
thaen
Re:Carnegie Mellon AIBOs pwn this (Score:1)
The CSE department [washington.edu] at the University of Washington [washington.edu] also has Aibo robots and participates in RoboCup. More information here [washington.edu].
I went to a presentation of the robots for a robotics course (not the RoboCup team, however) last quarter, and it was extremely interesting seeing how the robots work and what they could do. They appear to run a custom Unix-like or Unix OS by Sony, and one of the students remarked how they could telnet into the dogs for debugging or development (?) purposes.
The robots themselves move
Re:Carnegie Mellon AIBOs pwn this (Score:2)
My point is, Carnegie Mellon may win the cup, but this little guy could likely recieve a mulit-bill
What about this? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What about this? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:What about this? (Score:1)
thaen
Re:What about this? (Score:2)
No.
How's that for a simple answer?
Re:What about this? (Score:1)
Funny he's still playing it as if it's real, though.
Re:What about this? (Score:3, Interesting)
"Now, the Transformers are set to undergo yet another metamorphosis, this one bringing them to the silver screen. Sure, they've been there before (back in 1986), but this new movie will be special; it will be live action!"
Now go back and look at the page the parent post links to...
Re:What about this? (Score:1)
OMG! Did you see the video where that 12 foot robot stopped the Land Rover in it's tracks!? I'm excited and a little freaked out at the same time.
I was just joking when I said they should make these 1ft robots 10 feet tall... bad joke I guess!
Patented moves (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, but does it rip off its shirt after a cup-winning goal shot? Everyone knows that the crowd likes it when the players hamm it up.
(ducks, runs for cover)
and may even win the game... (Score:3, Funny)
With looks like that, they're sure to intimidate anyone who stands in their way.
Slashdotted already.... (Score:1)
Re:Slashdotted already.... (Score:1)
http://web.archive.org/web/20040403144150/http://
I'm impressed by this (Score:4, Insightful)
This little guy shows that as far as the goal of a fully working robotic (human-avatar) intelligence, mechanistically we're there. We can create an avatar which is robust enough to do the full human movements. Now we just need to improve the AI side of things. Let's face it, AI is severly lacking at the moment. I wouldn't say I'm an expert by any means, but I do try to keep up with the relevant research in the field.
Most experts agree the real test of artificial intelligence is, of course, found in game theory, with chess programs in particular gaining a lot of attention and publicity because of their year on year increase in performance thanks to better and better AI. But these certainly aren't quite up to scratch - a good example is a game I played just 10 minutes ago against the computer at so-called "Intermediate II" level.
I find most computer chess programs good at opening moves, because most have built in opening move databases (which I regard as cheating). I played the two knights defense as always, leading with 1....d4. The computer answered with its own two knights defense which is particularly annoying and insipid. That's one mark down for AI, mimicking human behaviour.
The trouble is chess AI is reactive rather than proactive and so whereas I was working to take down the right flank of the computers defence using a Queen bishop rook combo, it was just skirmishing around the centre to take a few pawns off me. Very poor AI.
Frankly, it's stategic thinking that the computer can't match us at, which was clear by move 27, where my move 27...KnC3-E4 forked a queen and rook. That sort of manouvering is quite obvious to the human intellect, and the advantage in points meant I went on to win the game quite comfortably again, with a rook v bishop endgame and quick checkmate.
Really all this just goes to illustrate that AI has a long way to go...I wouldn't say I was much more than a very good chess player.
Re:I'm impressed by this (Score:3, Insightful)
Ruh-eally. Did you watch the movies?
The robots had the dexterity and balance of, at best,
Re:I'm impressed by this (Score:4, Funny)
Can your three-year-old do this [vstone.co.jp]?
Re:I'm impressed by this (Score:3, Interesting)
This robot can't react to it's environment. It has no sensors. If the environm
Re:I'm impressed by this (Score:3, Funny)
Plus, it throws like a girl.
Re:I'm impressed by this (Score:4, Insightful)
Chess is a game very well suited to computers, and thus one that AI systems have rapidly become good at. If you want to see something AI really struggles with, take a look at the game of Go - as yet noone's come close to creating a Deep Blue of Go, as it's far more abstract and 'human' in it's mechanics than chess.
I'm pretty sure it's not an automaton. (Score:2)
While we're at it, I'm pretty sure we're missing the point by arguing whether it is demonstrating the ability to play soccer or football, since it was in fact a contestant in Bandai's [bandai.co.jp] annual Robo-One [robo-one.com] where the goal was to have little anthropomorphic [robo-one.com] (.PNG) robots pummel [itmedia.co.jp] (.MPG) the crap [itmedia.co.jp] (.MPG) out of each other to win by TKO. Dig around the sites and you'll find piles of highly entertaining videos.
For those of you who can't stomach anthropomorphic robot on anthropomorp
Upgrade your chess program (Score:2)
Unless your picture has been on the cover of Chess Life, Deep Fritz will trounce you.
Shame (Score:4, Funny)
Little Robot signs with NY Yankees for $73 million (Score:1)
OS? (Score:3, Funny)
- *BSD, it will be unexiting, but the best keeper the world has ever seen.
- Windows, it will be great, because games is the one area where Windows is better than everything else.
- MacOSX, it will look really good and get married to a Spice Girl. (I sure hope this does not mean David Beckham is dying.)
- Linux, you do not want to go near its fanatical followers.
Re:OS? (Score:1, Funny)
Shame (Score:3, Funny)
No. It's because nobody has bothered to give it any pants.
shame for a missed shot? (Score:1, Redundant)
Its ashamed because its naked!
I can see its parts!
Shame? (Score:3, Funny)
Is there an overzealous parent robot in the crowd yelling obscenities at the coach and screaming "Daddy didn't raise a loser!"
Obligitory mirror (Score:3, Informative)
http://outboxes.com/www.vstone.co.jp/e/rt01e.htm [outboxes.com]
Re:Obligitory mirror (Score:1)
No need to go to japan... (Score:1)
RoboCup (Score:1)
A Japanese Robot Demonstrating Shame?! (Score:3, Funny)
evolutionary (Score:1)
Legit? (Score:1)
Can it do sarongs, stupid haircuts, and roasting? (Score:2, Funny)
These questions must be answered before we can evaluate whether this is truly a robotic footballer.
The boys at DARPA (Score:1)
Soccer game, football game, Wargame, what's the difference?
Top-level Functions (Score:4, Funny)
-Take money
-Find ball
-Take money
-Move towards goal
-Take money
Game end:
-Return to changing rooms
-Overclock servos
-Refuse overclocking test
-Disqualified
-Take vacation
-Take money
-Have baby: name=[city|band|corporate product]
General:
-Take money
-Take knight-hood
Error Handling:
-Avoid tabloid photographers
-Avoid mid-season injuries
Additional: if (popularity > 10)
-Reality TV spin-off
-Reality TV spin-off
-Cameo
-Release single
Now watch _me_ demonstrate shame (Score:1)
That sinking feeling... (Score:2)
Heh (Score:1)
Gee, wonder what country that's from.
We need one. Or eleven. (Score:3, Funny)
Web page is light (Score:2)
Depending upon the sophistication of tools they might or might not have, it could be relatively easy or suck large.
And what about the cost? I couldn't really find anything, but several sites note that these things are indeed for sale.
Apparently they are selling two different robots [atr.co.jp], and also have one that is designed to be covered in material approximating human skin. That one can
Nifty stuff.
Re:Gooo . . (Score:2)
Re:Ah, so it can play soccer... (Score:1)
Ciao,
luigi
Re:right handed (Score:1, Flamebait)
Could what more? Are you a wannabe southpaw or are you a real one whose lefthandedness interferes with his ability to write proper English?
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Re:Bots in action? (Score:1)
Re:Football (Score:1)