Cancelling Out CPU Fan Noise 507
Percy_Blakeney writes "After realizing how noisy his computer was, a professor at BYU has created a new CPU fan that uses small microphones and speakers to cancel out its own noise. It isn't perfected yet -- it only nixes the whine, not the whoosh -- but it looks like it could be promising, especially given the professor's background: making jet engines quieter."
Negating Sound? Its like new cars.... (Score:5, Informative)
There were various addons with such a system so you could add a roar of a 911 or rattle of a clapped out sad wanker boy racer in the car.
Jonty! Neil! Work!!
Same tech as noise reducing headphones (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Wow (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I should have patented it... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:now for the hard drives (Score:5, Informative)
Of course, I do need one of the prof's nifty new toys for other parts of my system...
Re:I should have patented it... (Score:2, Informative)
Alternatives to Noice Cancellation (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Bose (Score:2, Informative)
The headsets also have 2 microphones in series and out of phase - 1 picks up the voice+noise and the other only the noise, so the noise cancels and you get left with the voice. This stuff is used on comms systems for concerts, etc as well.
Rob :)
Re:I should have patented it... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I should have patented it... (Score:5, Informative)
I think you're referring to a "blast fence." Those have nothing to do with active sound cancellation, they're strictly passive noise control devices that block the path between the noise source and the receiver (just like highway noise barriers). See here [blastwall.com] or here [hmmh.com] for examples (the latter is a run-up enclosure, but it's the same principle).
Re:I should have patented it... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Mods... (Score:2, Informative)
Analog Devices app note for this four years ago (Score:5, Informative)
"Adaptively Cancelling Server Fan Noise" can be found here [analog.com]. They were able to lower the whine by 30dB and the broadband noise by 20dB.
Re:Mods... (Score:3, Informative)
First, get yourself a copy of Forrest M. Mims III's "Engineer's Mini-Notebook - Op Amp IC Circuits" (RS 276-5011) - probably not very easy to find (I believe it may be out of print - go to ratshack and ask). Alternatively, grab a copy of "The Forrest Mims Engineer's Notebook" (ISBN 1-878707-03-5).
Ok, now - if you have the mini-notebook, look on page 12 - if you have the other book, look on page 93. Basically, what you are looking for is the "Inverting Amplifier" (both circuits are nearly identical - though the original booklet shows a resistor R3 hanging off pin 3 of the 741).
So, anyhow, you run your mic input (exercise left for the reader) into the Vin to pin 2 of the 741, and an inverted waveform will show on pin 6. Run that output through an amplifier, then the output of the amp into a speaker - and there is your basic sound cancellation system.
By taking the input sound waveform, inverting it through the 741, amplifying it, then outputing it through a speaker - the valleys and crests of the two waveforms should nearly match each other (with the exception of a slight delay introduced by the circuit/amps).
Want to take it a step further? Tie an A/D and a D/A on each end - and inbetween set up a really fast DSP or microcontroller, and perform on each sample of the waveform a form of amplitude forecasting - so that you can maybe cancel out the effects of the delay in the circuit by adjusting for them dynamically. Probably would be difficult to do homebrew, but if you grok what I am talking about, you can see how it would help, and why it would be fun to try.
Hope this inspires someone - good luck!!!
Re:Keep everything quiet (Score:5, Informative)
Silent PC Review (Score:5, Informative)
here's how to make it quieter for free (Score:1, Informative)
you can rewire your fan for 7v instead of 12v (unless you like to do monster 3D rendering sessions for a few weeks), drops noise drastically
just use the 5v line and the 12v line as + and -
(no earth) the voltage differential is 7v so you wont need to usa a resistor, if you still need large airflow then look at Panaflo fans (made by panasonic) 21db quoted @12v
see
this store [ebay.co.uk] for the most common fans
Re:Why go through all this trouble? (Score:3, Informative)
While that would be fine, it actually costs more, and it weighs a TON (or at least a thousandth of one, which is nearly as bad.) If this noise cancellation can quiet a system just as much, for the same price, without the potential of ripping a hole in your motherboard, I'd call it a win.
Re:now for the hard drives (Score:5, Informative)
How to reduce drive noise:
1. Take your hard drive off the mounts.
2. Find a 3.5" drive mounting kit and a piece of foam (styrofoam, or packing foam).
3. Mount drive on mounting kit, place on top of foam in the bottom of your case.
4. For completeness, ground the mounting kit to your case.
This will knock out a very large portion of your drive noise that is getting transmitted to the body of your case. It is a little Rube Goldberg, but it is very effective.
SPCR (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.silentpcreview.com
Implementing noise cancellation for poor quality whining fans seems ridiculous in comparison to replacing the fans with better quality ones.
Quote from SPCR -
" What is a good inexpensive & quiet general purpose fan?
The 80mm Panaflo FBA08A12L with "HydroWave bearing" is widely used and recommended for its combination of low noise (21 dBA), good airflow (24 cfm), wide availability (but not in Canada where I type this) and low cost. At 7V, it is almost inaudible in most applications. At 5V, it is inaudible but still provides some airflow. We think of it as a workhorse, suitable for use as a case fan, CPU heatsink fan, or PSU fan replacement."
the best way to cancel pc noise... (Score:5, Informative)
I built my last PC with their components. When I powered up for the first time I freaked out because I saw the power light go on, but that was it. Then the BIOS came up, thank god. No noise at all...seriously. I mean, I expected quiet, but not noiseless...
I was extremely let down by my hard drive though. Considering Seagate had a great reputation for quiet hard drives, I figured I'd get a Seagate SATA hard drive...well their SATA drives are loud as heck when writing...
Re:I should have patented it... (Score:2, Informative)
Boston? BYU is Brigham Young University, a private school located in Provo, Utah. It is a somewhat prestigious university in its own right, but it certainly isn't any school in Boston.
Re:Nope (Score:3, Informative)
Also, it eliminates the smell. New B&W speakers produce an odd smell when you shake the air up in them (ie whenever there is any significant amount of bass). Do it enough and for long enough, it goes away.
This solves that and will break in the speakers, assuming they need it.
Look I won't say for certian that the changes were a result of breaking in the speakers. However, I believe it to be the case. Either way, it costs nothing and deals with another problem.
Voodoo shit like buying $1000 speaker cables or spending lots of money on sand pads for my amp that are contrary to what I know about science, I'm NOT going to do without reliable emperical evidence to suggest it does something. However something simple like speaker burn in which is free (other than minimal electric costs), I have some empricial proof (though not conclusive), and DOES appeal to what I know about science, I'll continue to do until I see solid emprical proof that it doesn't do any good.
Re:Keep everything quiet (Score:3, Informative)
The newer bose model has a battery up on one of the ear pieces (I believe a single AAA), no dongle, and passes sound without being turned on, iirc. It also has a single cord going to one earpiece, instead of the Y split. Both bose models have quite a bit more padding than the NC20's and are closed earphones.
My biggest problem with the NC20's was that I kept stressing the weird mini-plug thing on the bottom of the cord and it finally broke. Fortunately, I'm handy with a soldering iron. Other than that, I think they are a great pair of headphones.
I believe Bose has a 30-day "test it out" period with their headphones, so you could give them a try.
Re:I should have patented it... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Absorbing technique instead (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I should have patented it... (Score:4, Informative)
I was obviously wrong in my prediction about an audible noise for people not wearing the headphones, but I'll bet both my testicles that it's not because conservation of energy is violated. You'd get the Nobel Prize if you found a violation of conservation of energy.
Your bloodline is safe :-) I'm guessing the energy is dissipated as heat in the speakers and voicecoils themselves. The cone will travel further than normal since it will be 'flowing with' the incoming pressure waves rather than working against the air as normal.
As you say, there's only a small amount of power in the small zone where the sound is deadened, so not all that much extra heat in the speakers.
Re:hard drive whine (Score:4, Informative)
why bother ... (Score:3, Informative)
The case is stupid expensive at $1400US and the adventurous could probably build one for less by cannibalizing heat pipes from VGA coolers and stripping heatsinks from dead hifi amps, but there are ways of reducing PC noise without killing yourself or your bank account:
case - antec sonata or slk3700bqe
PSU - antec's yet-to-be-released phantom 350W PSU, or check this list:
using vibration absorbing grommets for everything that vibrates(HDD, Optical, fans, etc.)
quieter fans:
OR, get longer cables and put the machine in an airconditioned closet; with a long USB2 cable and a powered hub, you might never hear your machine again. it'd just be you, your KB, monitor and a 7-in-1 media reader.
what an amateur (Score:2, Informative)
put all the computers in a rack downstairs, cut a hole in the ceiling and the floor, and run the cables up to the second floor office!
*fire pole sold separately
Re:Wow (Score:2, Informative)
Noise Cancellation in Powermac G5 (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Wow (Score:2, Informative)
Naturally, federal and especially state DoTs want nothing to do with this stuff as it has the potential to significantly slash their budgets for road development and maintenence. Yay for politics!
Re:Ears are sensitive indeed! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Nope (Score:2, Informative)