Tom's Reviews Expensive, Noiseless Case 343
hakker writes "Toms Hardware Guide is running a review of a new case that claims it provides noiseless computing. The TNN 500A case from Zalman Tech is fanless (including PSU), and uses a bunch of heatpipes to move heat outside of the case from sources inside the system. Potentially costing as much as $1400, how much is your peace and quiet worth?"
$399, thank you very much :) (Score:5, Informative)
I can't run Quake on one of these [mini-box.com], but then again it's research we're talking about -- if I wanted games I'd buy a PS2.
The only fan I have is, funnily enough, on my video card.
Extension cables help a lot (Score:2, Informative)
recording box (Score:5, Informative)
If you really want a silent PC, here it is... (Score:5, Informative)
1. Antec Performance One P160 case [antec-inc.com].
2. Nexus [nexustek.nl] PSU, fans and CPU heatsink and fan.
3. Samsung SpinPoint [samsung.com] series of HDDs.
Zalman's products aren't bad but, IMHO, Nexus' are superior.
Oh, and either ditch the jet engine that masquerades as a graphics card with something quieter or replace its fan too.
Tinnitus information from ATA (Score:5, Informative)
I've suffered with tinnitus for years, and have changed fans several times looking for something quieter. It's amazing the amount of noise the average fan produces, and it would be well worth it to me to quieten down the office even more.
Of course, all those years going to rock concerts at the Grande in Detroit probably didn't help either.
Re:Silence? (Score:2, Informative)
Kristopher
Re:Silence? (Score:5, Informative)
The decibel scale is logarithmic, which means a 70dB sound has 10 times the intensity of a 60dB sound. If you double the intensity, on the decibel scale you only go up 3db. So put 2 30dB case fans in a computer, and the total from them would be 33dB, not 60dB.
It's also possible to have sounds in the negative decibel range, it's just we can't hear them.
Re:Quiet! (Score:4, Informative)
Buy a Dell 400SC instead for $299 (Score:4, Informative)
finally stumbled upon a Dell 400SC. That thing is
super quiet and super cheap. I have a few of them.
You can pick one up for about $399 and most of the
time there is a $100 rebate on them that brings the
price down to $299. Free shipping too.
Oh and I do have the completely silent VIA based
mini-ITX system also that I boot over the network.
But it aint fast. I end up using my Dells most of
the time. They are not as quiet as the VIA, but
they are *very* quiet.
Here is the unofficial FAQ [aaltonen.us] with
tonnes of more information for those interested.
Or, just go with an Antec power supply (Score:3, Informative)
Instead of spending $1400, how about assembling a case around a fanless Antec Phantom 350 [theinquirer.net] power supply?
1400? Buy a Powerbook (Score:2, Informative)
I have a 733 Quicksilver mac at work and that can be one noisy computer at times; my PC at home takes the cake - it's loud as hell, which is unfortunate since that is my recording PC.
I'll be soon recording on my Powerbook, which is fast, beautiful and quiet.
Plus, I can take it to a pals house to lay down some tracks. I will never buy a noisy PC again.
Now a G5, with that I'll just play louder... :)
Re:Dell and Apple? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Solid state hard drives (Score:3, Informative)
Re:hmmmm.... (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, I've been thinking about this. What do you actually need on your desk?
For keyboard and mouse, USB2 can be up to 30 meters, if you chain some hubs together. Bluetooth might also be a possibility.
For optical drive, USB2 would work.
This seems reasonably feasible.
Absolutely (Score:3, Informative)
I agree... professional audiophiles will pay that amount easily. In my experience, when someone does music for a living, their ear is often able to pick out those subtle imperfections in a recording. For an environment/person like that, noisy fans are a liability.
As a Tinnitus sufferer (Score:3, Informative)
I very much doubt the db level of computer fans can come close to further damaging the inner ear..... Unless you're using one of These [go.com]
Re:Recording studios? (Score:2, Informative)
A 'cheap' solution has been around forever (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.calmpc.com/ [calmpc.com]. There biggest problem may be the lack of distribution in the US, but ordering from Korea went very smooth in my experience.
OK, maybe this doesn't support a 4GHz P4, but I'm running a 1 GHz PIII in one of these with a high end ATI video card and using CompactFlash for a harddrive.
There's special heat dispensers for the power supply, CPU and graphics card.
It's just amazing. You hit the power on button and nothing happens. Then all of a sudden, there's video, and the OS starts booting. You stick your head in the enclosure and you can just hear NOFFINK.
Re:have you heard the G5s? (Score:3, Informative)
For something like a recording studio, this could pose problems because they might put the CPU under high load with virtual instruments and such, and suddenly have the fans speed up - making it noisier at just the wrong time.
The G5's are also suffering from other noise issues. Many (my dual 2Ghz G5 included) suffer from electrical chirping sounds coming from the motherboard or power supply. It's sort of a "cricket chirping" noise you hear when the CPU is crunching on data (such as uncompressing files). It's not a loud noise, mind you, but it's audible and could get annoying in a very quiet room.
In my experience, the flat panel iMacs are actually the most quiet machines Apple makes right now.
$1400!? Try $100! (Score:5, Informative)
The links are to Newegg just because I like them and it's easy to find things on their site. I'm not affiliated with them, ymmv, void where not prohibited, etc.
Re:hmmmm.... (Score:4, Informative)
To quote a site I just found [ http://faq.arstechnica.com/link.php?i=1293 ]
I'm not sure of the accuracy of the 24 meters, i'd have to find a better reference... but I know it's pretty damn long, more then adquate for a household application... unless you really need a run longer then a pool length.
Re:Silence? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I say, Wow! (Score:4, Informative)
Price? (Score:4, Informative)
A case that functions as a heat-sink is a brilliant idea. I do hope the idea if not the product takes off but for now I doubt any of us are reaching for our cheque books.
Personally, I gave up on the idea of swapping out noisy components for quieter, better-engineered replacements (expensive idea if you have multiple systems) and built my own box. The results are always better and you get way-kewl furniture as a bonus. 3/4-inch MDF is cheap, 3/4-inch birch isn't much more, and even if you double-wall the enclosure for a dead air layer (highly recommended), you'll shell out less than $100. The time? Skip tee vee for a night or two and pretend you're Norm -- plaid shirt required, of course.
Oh, and if you're living with rackmount equipment and need a solution, this [rewci.com] centrifugal fan (read "bathroom) is probably the quietest in existence, moves lots of air, and works great either housed in a cabinet or installed in the ceiling of a small closet.
Re:Worth a hell of a lot (Score:3, Informative)
Re:hmmmm.... (Score:2, Informative)
for those who can't afford $1,400 (silentpcreview) (Score:4, Informative)
Besides I've been using a laptop primarily and it's quiet enough (...duh) even without water cooling thingy. Laptop these days are not so expensive, you can get a good one for $1400 and less. Of course if you need to build a server, laptop won't work, but for 'home' use, laptop works good enough and is quiet.
You can get nearly silent for a lot less money (Score:4, Informative)
www.quietpc.com
www.silentmaxx.net
Two places to get you started.
Re:Silence? (Score:2, Informative)
If we assume silence is the complete absense of any sound then I believe the answer is my username!
1 times the quietest human audible sound is log1* Bells** (0)
* base = 102 times the quietest human audible sound is log2 Bells (0.301)
10 times the quietest human audible sound is log10 Bells (1)
0 times the quietest human audible sound is log0 (that's me) Bells (Woah my calculator don't like that - I think it's minus infinity)
** 1 Bell = 10 deciBells
A Cheaper Solution (Score:3, Informative)
Why? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:I say, Wow! (Score:3, Informative)
My home theater PC is quiet enough to be inaudible from 5 feet away. A simple Zalman flower cooler with the fan turned all the way down cooling an Athlon XP 2400+, and another adjustable speed case fan turned all the way down, and a Nexus power supply from quietpc. A couple of 200GB Maxtor drives with fluid dynamic bearings round out the machine. The most noise it makes is if I play a DVD and even that is nearly silent with the DVD drive I bought. Unfortunately I had an idea of buying an Epia Nehemiah M10000 system to make it even quieter until I got it and found out that the case and CPU fans on the system were louder than my current rig! Not to mention the CPU fan seems to be failing already and makes a scraping noise. Cheap 40mm crap fans. I wonder if that's covered under warranty.
Good to Know Info (Score:3, Informative)
In evaluating the overall temperature cooling and performance of this chassis, we found the TNN 500A able to run at optimum cool temperatures when placed in roomy quarters with adequate ventilation, which provided for effective heat dissipation capability. In other words, we do not recommend placing the Zalman TNN 500A under a desk, or in the farthest corner of a desk butted up against the side of a desk or a wall. A better solution would be to place this unit in the middle of a desk, on top of a desk, or next to a desk in such a way that there is adequate airflow around both of the side panels, allowing for maximum heat dissipation.
We did encounter a problem with a temperature increase inside the chassis when the TNN 500A was placed too close to a floor heating vent in our test scenario. Placing it too close to the heating duct caused the internal temperature to rise (for obvious reasons), and this skewed the effectiveness of the side panel heat dissipation capabilities.
Still, during our testing we did not encounter any crashes or sub-par results in use.
This might be an issue in some college dorm setups ...
Put the PC in a COCOON (Score:3, Informative)
Re:If you really want a silent PC, here it is... (Score:3, Informative)
The nice thing about that power supply is that it's high-efficiency, meaning less waste heat in the AC to DC conversion process. That also means lower power consumption, which my APC SmartUPS's load meter confirms. Less waste heat means less work for the cooling fans.
The Seasonic Super Tornado power supplies have a 120mm fan instead of an 80mm fan. They are noticibly louder but move about 3x as much air. In that Antec case with its 120mm case fans you just don't need the Tornado.
Much better pictures last time (Score:2, Informative)
This case first appeared on Slashdot last summer [slashdot.org], linking to an article (auf Deutsch) with much better pictures [teschke.de].