Microsoft Taking Over the BIOS 989
dtjohnson writes "According to this story,
Microsoft has entered into an agreement with BIOS maker Phoenix
Technologies to integrate the BIOS with Windows. This has the
potential to turn PCs into Windows-only machines and also could result
in widespread incorporation of Digital Rights Management (DRM)
technology into new PCs. It looks like Microsoft is beginning to
flex their marketplace monopoly muscles again, after taking a couple of
years off."
Re:Same as what Apple does (Score:3, Informative)
JUST in the sake of fairness... (Score:5, Informative)
MicroSoft is undoubtedly up to no good with this, but we don't need to go Chicken Little without a little more evidence...
Re:Thank goodness for LinuxBIOS (Score:5, Informative)
The biggest thing I see as a problem is the limited motherboard support of the project. However, I suspect that after the first one or two motherboards come out with this new MS-BIOS on it, community support for porting LinuxBIOS will increase.
DRM will be optional. (Score:5, Informative)
Right at the end of the article you will notice that the users will have an option to turn off the DRM...
Re:Is this bad? (Score:5, Informative)
More info here [sun.com].
Re:Alternative (Score:5, Informative)
what makes you think it's proprietary? it's not. it's called Open Firmware [sun.com] and it's an IEEE standard.
Open, as in, not proprietary, and you can hack it yourself easily, if you feel like learning Forth.
Re:Microsoft invented the PC (Score:3, Informative)
Microsoft and IBM together invented the PC. If anyone should complain, it should be IBM only.
Actually, IBM alone invented the PC. Microsoft just bought an existing OS that happened to be written for the processor IBM chose to include in the system, and changed the name before presenting it to IBM as their own work.
It was mighty nice of them to later give the real inventor of DOS a job (even if he still was never cut in on the distribution profits).
So no, Microsoft had no real affect on the PC except to later on make it (for a while) so that everyone who bought a PC was forced to run their OS.
That is the way it was from the beginning.
So we should all just go back to using an Altair? Don't be a horse's ass.
Re:Thank goodness for LinuxBIOS (Score:5, Informative)
Phoenix have owned Award for quite some time, and practically every board I've seen lately has had an Award/Phoenix BIOS. AMI are making their money mostly on RAID solutions right now.
On the original story: from the press release on Phoenix's site, it looks like the byline might be a bit OTT (ain't it always?). Basically, it looks just like a turfing-out of legacy crud, turning the BIOS into something more like OpenFirmware or a mainframe BIOS. Just because it's in conjunction with Microsoft doesn't always mean it's a bad thing, but we've got to wait and see.
Re:Attack of the clones (Score:3, Informative)
It has NOTHING to do with Open Firmware, which is mostly a bootloader.
Oh, and you CAN run Mac OS X on a generic PPC motherboard -- run PPC Linux, and install the Mac On Linux virtual machine (not emulator). You can run a lot of Mac OS', including Mac OS X. I've not tried it myself, though, since I have real Macs.
Re:Thank goodness for LinuxBIOS (Score:5, Informative)
Phoenix is not the only vendor... (Score:3, Informative)
Speaking for myself, I can say with confidence that I would NEVER, under ANY conditions, buy a system that's been locked up as the article describes. I will NOT tolerate some megalomaniacal company telling me what OS I can or cannot run on a system that I buy/own.
The good news is that a move like this could certainly be a shot in the arm for the used computer industry, considering all the systems that are pre-DRM/pre-BIOS insanity/etc.
Unauthorized Devices (Score:3, Informative)
1. Hardware that isn't approved by Microsoft. A Lexmark printer is currently "protected" against third-party ink cartridges by an encryption scheme (which, in the US, is in turn protected by the DMCA). This will allow Microsoft to do the same with every component in a PC. You won't actually need to buy all your hardware from Microsoft, of course, but hardware manufacturers will need to obtain MS's (expensive) authorization. To prevent a backlash against a huge extension of the MS tax, Microsoft will spin it as something like "compatability assurance" or "security testing".
2. Non-DRM hardware. Pay-per-view movies and pay-per-play music won't generate much revenue for the MPAA/RIAA if the consumer can simply hook up the media player (which is what the PC will become) to a VCR or tape recorder. You'll need MS-approved, DRM-crippled monitors and headphones.
Microsoft claims that unathorized devices are a threat. In particular, they say that Palladium (of which this BIOS is a crucial part) will prevent hardware keystroke sniffers, by encrypting everything between the keyboard and the PC. The problem with this argument is that the encryption keys are held by Microsoft, not the computer owner.
Re:IBM (Score:3, Informative)
Rest of the World calling America... (Score:3, Informative)
It might come as a shock to some.here's a whole lot of this planet that doesn't come under the auspices of either America or the DMCA. I piss with great force on your DMCA! Within a day there'll be a fix for this that the rest of the (non-American) world will be able to use and enjoy! Ha!
Example of a probable unauthorised "Device" (Score:3, Informative)
Load encrypted file, Verify Rights, Decrypt Audio Stream, send result to sound card which saves it straight to Wav, MP3 or Ogg. Thank you very much.
Actually this is why I bought it. I consider it a very nice audio conversion program that works with all formats. Better then SoX [sf.net]!
BSOD? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:DRM will be optional. (Score:2, Informative)
Check out the Oakland zoo's little blurb for the size (it was the first reference off a google for "weight african elephant"): http://www.oaklandzoo.org/atoz/azeleph.html
Re:Same as what Apple does (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Same as what Apple does (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Same as what Apple does (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Is this really a problem? (Score:1, Informative)
Windows 2000 (Score:2, Informative)
Just today my laptop suddenly decided it didn't want to recognize the network any more. Wouldn't renew a DHCP lease, even. Reboot, everything's fine. It's never done that before, so I'm hoping it's a one-off thing.
The machine at work will get stuck with one or more modifier keys pressed, about once a week. Sometimes you can shake it back to normal by switching between windows a few times. Sometimes you have to reboot.
Our admin assistant had the same problem... I found out because by the time she'd worked out what was going on, she'd accidentally dragged the task bar across the screen, and couldn't work out how to drag it back.
Sure, it's stable compared to Windows 95 or 98. I haven't had it randomly reboot in weeks, it just acts all flaky and I have time to do a controlled reboot. It still sucks though.
I should point out that I'm talking about three different machines, OS installed by three different people. I say this because I know the Windoze fanboys will try to find an excuse like "Oh, you have a bad motherboard" or "Oh, you must have an incompetent Windows admin".
Re:Same as what Apple does (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Simple and More Reliable (Score:3, Informative)
This has already happened [stiller.com]!
Thankfully the person it happened to had two machines with the exact same ABit motherboard. He took out the BIOS from the good machine, used it to boot the dead one. Once it was running he put the bad BIOS back and re-flashed it.
I didn't think it would work, but the machine is going great now. Well, until the capacitors starting blowing up
Re:Duel bios = duel boot (Score:2, Informative)
The Alpha architechture specification actually (if memory serves) does not define any console firmware. This means that the OS vendor can write his own firmware for his own OS.
I think it would be great if PCs had these features:
1) There could be multiple (at least two) firmware images stored in firmware chip
2) OS developers could develop their own firmware
Then if someone could port OpenBoot/OpenFirmware (used in Sun UltraSPARC and Apple Macintosh systems) to PCs...