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MIThril Jacket Showcases Wearable Computing 162

Posted by simoniker from the but-does-it-translate-entish? dept.
Codeine writes "The Seventh Annual International Symposium on Wearable Computers (ISWC), to be held later this month, will again feature members of MIT's Media Lab showing off the group's MIThril jacket. Taking its name from J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings trilogy, the jacket combines body-worn computation, sensing, and networking in a clothing-integrated design, according to the project." According to a new paper (PDF link) to be presented at the conference, the latest version of this long-evolving system uses a Sharp Zaurus running Linux.
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  • Umm (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Wasn't Mithril an extremely tough, lightweight metal? If you take a look at the picture, it looks anything but light & sturdy.

    • Re:Umm (Score:1)

      by Pxtl ( 151020 )
      From the pics, it looks like this is just a cut-up PC stuck to a jacket.

      IMHO, the only thing revolutionary about it is that its the worst case-mod ever.
    • Not only that, but whats with all the wires? Isnt this type of application where bluetooth is supposed to take over? MIT should be leading that charge.

  • Mithril? (Score:4, Funny)

    by ComaVN ( 325750 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @05:05AM (#7111870)
    I'm guessing all it has in common with the Tolkien metal is it's price.

  • So very tired... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Goldberg's Pants ( 139800 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @05:08AM (#7111880) Journal
    WHY would I want to wear a computer?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm a geek, but technology is just getting absurd. I have no desire to "wear" my computer. Nor do I have any desire to play games on my cellphone. (In fact I don't even own a cellphone because of the hideously overpriced services).

    Maybe I have to hand in my geek membership card, but wearing a computer ranks right up there with wearing a refridgerator.

    • I can see some useful embedded applications (excuse the pun, ho ho) in having portable computing power, but look at the photo - the weight of it all. I'll wait till they get it a bit more slimline. Reminds me of 80s "mobile" phones compared to today. Why's it all so cumbersome? ok, batteries I understand we still have to work on, but the rest?



    • I agree with you. I'm a certified geek (got my socks in '78) and I have no intention whatsoever of ever wearing a computer.

      Of course, I'm quite happy to lug around my Clie NX70v, my Siemens cell phone, the WLAN card, and a few other things, though.

      Come to think of it, I've changed my mind. If someone can build me a PDA/Cell combo that fits in a nice stylish leather jacket, I'd wear it. But it'd have to be a jacket first, computer thing second - none of this crappy TechVest shit!

    • Re:So very tired... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by NanoGator ( 522640 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @05:39AM (#7111971) Homepage Journal
      "I have no desire to "wear" my computer."

      Of course not, the technology's being developed, then the apps that make it interesting will come. Personally, I think auto mechanics would love to have a wearable computer. Imagine having instant access to the internal workings of the particular car you're working on. Instant reference.

      " Nor do I have any desire to play games on my cellphone."

      What's wrong with that? Well I guess I can't entice you, but personally I've enjoyed having simple games to play. At the last movie I saw, I played snake while waiting for the stupid previews to be over. When I'm alone for a bit, like waiting for my meal to be served, I get on the net with my cell phone and get updated on the news. Can I live without? Sure. But I can make a little use of my time.

      " (In fact I don't even own a cellphone because of the hideously overpriced services)."

      Hideous? I pay about 10-15 bucks a month more than a landline, all my long distance is free, and my phone's with me all the time. I get better service and it only costs a little more than a landline that only works at.. uh.. home.

      • sony P800, opera and GPRS = even more pointless hours spent reading slashdot whilst in queues...
      • Before you start trash talking...

        "At the last movie I saw, I played snake while waiting for the stupid previews to be over. When I'm alone for a bit, like waiting for my meal to be served, I get on the net with my cell phone and get updated on the news. Can I live without? Sure. But I can make a little use of my time."

        What happened to talking to your "significant other" while waiting for dinner to be served, or waiting for hte movie to start. Hell, what happened to talking to any friends at these occa
        • What happened to talking to your "significant other" while waiting for dinner to be served, or waiting for hte movie to start.

          This is slashdot; what significant other?

          • He has a significant other. He told us, he was playing snake on it. Personally, I want to get this vest, and have 10 of my friends get one too. We'll all go down to the bar at JFK airport, never fly anywhere, just sit in the bar, acting really drunk, and talking about how much we love Allah. Then, we'll run Morpheus on them, throw them un unsuspecting passersby, and call the RIAA, what glorious fun.
        • "What happened to talking to your "significant other" while waiting for dinner to be served, or waiting for hte movie to start."

          Who says I don't? Why do you have to assume it's "Oh, he just plays that game, he doesn't talk to anybody or have any sort of social life"? Give me a little credit, will ya?

          My girlfriend doesn't like all the same movies I do. Simple as that. She wouldn't go with me to see Star Trek or Terminator. Hence, I went alone.
          " I can not stay I have ever went to dinner or a movie al
    • Not just wearing a refrigerator but putting a putting a computer on your refrigerator. That always struck me as the most retarded thing.

      Funny thing about being a geek is this: A geek would do something like turn his Dreamcast into a web server or install a computer in a blender for the sake of doing so but would never use any of these devices.

      Now a toilet computer... that's what I want if for no other reason than the internet has much better bathroom reading material than my local paper and sometimes, whe
      • >Now a toilet computer... that's what I want if for no other reason than the internet has much better bathroom reading material than my local paper and sometimes, when I really have to go, I don't have time to grab a book or the paper.

        Get with the program man!
        • You realize that the geek thing to do in that situation would be to use some sort of amplified antenna to get internet service in the bathroom not from your room with the wireless router... no... but from like... your friend's house a few blocks away.

          And suddenly I have this terrible image of IMing while taking a dump.

          Hey, everything come out all right?
          Yeah, it was great. ;) Thanx.
          I think my wax ring just seg-faulted.

          I was gonna go on but... yeah... I should be sleeping.
    • WHY would I want to wear a computer?

      In order to do research into wearable computing?

      This is a research project to study wearable computing, and associated fields, such as augmented reality. I doubt they have any intention of trying to sell it to people like you. This kind of thing could be very useful for field technicians, soldiers, paramedics - all sorts of people.

    • WHY would I want to wear a computer?

      As opposed to having it in a small, portable device? Because you can misplace your phone/pda or whatever device it is, and it's much easier to steal. It's much harder to lose a piece of clothing that you're wearing.
    • Maybe I have to hand in my geek membership card, but wearing a computer ranks right up there with wearing a refridgerator.

      Absolutely not! You can't have a case of beer on hand at all times when you wear a computer.

    • Re:So very tired... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by colmore ( 56499 )
      I agree, I'll quote one of my all time favorite philosophers, Calvin's Dad (from Calvin & Hobbes)

      "If we wanted more free time, we'd make devices that did things more slowly"

      Frankly, the prospect of leading a lifestyle that requires this level of access to information terrifies me. It pisses me off enough that I can't get any of my friends to write me a letter, even more that, because everyone I know now relies on cell phones, I have to have one too.

      I find technology to be expensive, time-consuming,
    • To view the MIThril as a general computing device is to miss the point. It can be one (it's actually two :-) but it's function is to be an always available PDA. The project is trying to make it into a tool that actively assists you in a variety of ways. One way is to provide a map of the area you are in, with a "you are here" pointer that updates as you walk. The uses for this in professional work are immeasurable. Soldiers, fire fighters, warehouse workers, couriers, police, and many other would find this
    • I agree. I look at the wearable computers people are putting together, and all I see is a rats nest of cabling and parts, just hanging all over the place. It's bulky, it's messy, and it doesn't do as much as a garden-variety PDA you can buy for under five hundred dollars. Wearables totally leave me cold; I think they're already obsolete, and they're not even a "mature technology" yet!

      Here's what I think is going to find its way into wide use: combination PDA/Cell Phone systems with a heads-up display that

  • Don't know if I would "wear" computing (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Arciryon ( 593282 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @05:08AM (#7111881)
    Integration is all good, but as for integrating functions into clothing I believe it can be at the expense of flexibility. I would much rather have a lot of functions integrated in my mobile, and be able to bring those functions with me in situations that I might choose another attire.

    • Re:Don't know if I would "wear" computing (Score:5, Interesting)

      by nacturation ( 646836 ) <nacturation AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday October 02, 2003 @05:20AM (#7111920) Journal
      Integration is all good, but as for integrating functions into clothing I believe it can be at the expense of flexibility. I would much rather have a lot of functions integrated in my mobile, and be able to bring those functions with me in situations that I might choose another attire.

      On the other hand, as computers get smaller and cheaper, eventually the kind of functionality people would want embedded into their clothing could be put into tons of different things.

      Think RFID tags -- when the price gets low enough, why not embed it into everything? All you would need is a central repository which you could snap into place, or have your shirt/jacket/sarong/whatever pick up the info wirelessly.

      Combine this with "paper" displays and you might eventually be able to check your schedule on your shirt sleeve, update it, and wirelessly transmit the changes to a server where it gets distributed to people who have subscribed to your calendar.

      Presently, you're right. It's far too bulky to be considered for anyone but die-hard geeks. Similar to someone hundreds of years ago considering lugging around a grandfather clock on their wrist. Or thinking of carrying a phone in your pocket thirty years ago. Eventually, it becomes cheap enough and small enough where it makes sense.
      • Presently, you're right. It's far too bulky to be considered for anyone but die-hard geeks. Similar to someone hundreds of years ago considering lugging around a grandfather clock on their wrist. Or thinking of carrying a phone in your pocket thirty years ago. Eventually, it becomes cheap enough and small enough where it makes sense. Agreed. It is of course good that some pioneers show us how it can be, but I'd much rather have implants.
    • They are overshooting a little. They should think 'gadgets' and not personal networks for the time being.

      Storing data in your cloathes is not very practical. 'Damn, left my pr0n on my jacket and my mom is washing it right now.' Jewelery is more fitted for this. A watch with hard disk and bluetooth connection for example, or a necklace.

      There are other applications that can be very fun, although not immediatly practical. Combine electronic ink and T-shirt. You get a T-shirt that can change it's print and

  • This is indeed a cool proof of concept, but would you want one?

    I'd prefer a lot of computing power in my cell phone, a display integrated into my glasses and interaction via voice commands (think headset) or a wristband keypad.

    Thoughts?
    • I would go further - I wouldn't want one, and I can't really see what "concept" it's "proving". It looks to me like they've just got a waistcoat with a whole bunch of pockets, carrying some electronics.

      I'm not going to even start getting excited until materials technology reaches the point where the processsor and display elements can actually be woven into the fabric of the garment. Animated T-shirt designs would be cool. Being able to write notes directly onto my trousers and having OCR software trans

    • Re:Would you want this? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @06:41AM (#7112098) Homepage
      so you would rather have to dig out your cellphone and dial from it instead of having you cellphone as a device on your belt and you simply say "dial steve at office" to dial steve's office number and then talk to him through the bluetooth headset?

      what you want is EXACTLY a wearable computer. just make the "cellphone" a black box with no buttons or silly microphone + speaker, oh and give it a decent processor, ram, storage, etc...

      nahh give me a wearable computer with a cellphone attachment.. think pcmcia card here...

      90% of the hardware you see is power and battery management. and that is the biggest problem. batteries today are a complete and utter joke compared to everything else... almost no power and life for a gigantic size.

      wearable computing is very cool, I used to be faster at typing on my handykey twiddler one handed keyboard than a regular keyboard. do I still do the wearable computing thing??? nope. but I'm not in college anymore with thousands of hours to spend on my projects (or get credit and funding for my projects!)

      but wearable computing is going that way... It's that you call it a cellphone and think of the phone as the central piece where as the "phone" really is a small accessory to the main computer.

      the thing holding it back is dirt cheap bluetooth and batteries that dont royally suck.
      • so you would rather have to dig out your cellphone and dial from it instead of having you cellphone as a device on your belt and you simply say "dial steve at office" to dial steve's office number and then talk to him through the bluetooth headset?

        You seem to have missed my point. I would like to have all the necessary technology integrated into my cellphone, as it's always with me. The dialing bit can naturally be handled by a heaset solution, my phone can do that already.

        It's that you call it a cellp
        • If this thing should go mainstream we need to have something tangliable to put it in. PDAs have never really kicked in. I've used a Palm, but since my phone is always in my pocket I end up using the more limited calender etc. on it instead.

          this is the point....

          you have to touch your pda to use it... pda's are a kludge..

          either you can retrieve info from the wearable via voice commands and voice response (reading a memo to you, a light ding and a "dentist appointment in 20 minutes at 2 pm") or the heads u

  • Good-bye pocket protectors... (Score:5, Funny)

    by mcpkaaos ( 449561 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @05:10AM (#7111886)
    Because nothing says, "Please kick my ass," quite like wearing your computer.

    • Re: Good-bye pocket protectors... (Score:5, Funny)

      by Black Parrot ( 19622 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @05:40AM (#7111976)


      > Because nothing says, "Please kick my ass," quite like wearing your computer.

      Mithril Robe of *Geekiness* [2,-25]. +1 to intelligence, -5 to charisma. Aggravates nearby jocks and cheerleaders; provides immunity against getting laid. Activates every 50+d50 turns for spellchecking. This item is heavily cursed. If warn while riding a Segway, may polymorph your character into a dork.

      • I stand corrected.
      • Activates every 50+d50 turns for spellchecking.

        Is strongly affected by the Slashdot Blog of Poseur. When in melee range of the Blog, the spellcheck function must make a saving throw against Posion, or be affected. Effects: spellcheck is activated every 1+1d6 turns. Blog will cause egregious spelling and grammar errors. Every 4+2d4 rounds it will cause the massive duplication of what has gone before, lasting 3 turns.

      • Yeah....its not enough that by merely wearing this thing you are labeled a geek......then comes the question, "What IS this thing?"

        "Well my friend, this is Mithril"

        "What is Mithril?"

        "Mithril is a magical metal alloy created by the elves of Middle Earth.........hey, why are you picking up that bat? AAAAARRGHHH!!!!! HELP HELP!!!! DON"T HURT ME!!!!!"

    • Y'know, I walk through the MIT campus pretty much every day, and I can say with conviction that I do not want those kids designing my clothes.
  • I cant wait to see some hot chick in a Palm Pilot

  • Darlng.. (Score:4, Funny)

    by adeyadey ( 678765 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @05:15AM (#7111904) Journal
    You didnt put my jacket in the wash.. er.. did you?

    • Re:Darlng.. (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Porthwhanker ( 708730 )
      You didnt put my jacket in the wash.. er.. did you?

      I think you're onto something here. What do you do when your wearable computer starts to stink? You can't put it in the washing machine. I doubt it's dry-cleanable...
      • I rather suspect a lot of the people who will want to wear that won't mind, as it'll have a long way to go to overcome their body odour...
  • Gives new meaning to "running Linux".

    I'm so funny.
  • or perhaps the Tolkien estate. Isn't this a copyright infringement? Don't laugh. In a reverse version, some years back, Disney had to pay damages to the Bussmann company, who had registered "Tron" as a trademark, even though the film had nothing to do with electrical fusegear. The vague "electronic" connection was enough."

  • More like Star Wars than LOTR (Score:3, Funny)

    by Zog The Undeniable ( 632031 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @05:58AM (#7112012)
    Seeing as it looks like C-3PO in the "Phantom Menace", before he got his gold lame suit.

    As for its potential street cred, I don't think the combination of bare computer hardware, Linux and a Tolkien-derived name will see you having to beat off the hotties with a shitty stick ;-)

  • Shoplifters! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by slaida1 ( 412260 )
    But it isn't stealing if you only "infringe" those cds' music into your pockets. Shopinfringers maybe?

    Have anyone of you thought of going into music store, asking if you could test if a cd played properly in your "portable cd-player" (external cd-rom drive connected to the laptop in his backpack..) and rip it while chatting away with salesman how RIAA is doing the right thing and how you at least support them all the way.. heh heh

  • Locutus (Score:1, Funny)

    by tnmc ( 446963 )
    Great, be your own Borg...
  • Yes but can it protect me from a spear that would have skewered a wild boar?
  • In this day an age why the hell is anyone putting stuff together with so many cablkes. I can count at least 10 in the picture! Surely they can do better than this with the Bluetooth and Wireless possibilities that exist now? Nice idea, but I think I'll wait for the StarTrek Tricorder hologram projecting version instead

  • MIT's dumb idea?? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Porthwhanker ( 708730 ) on Thursday October 02, 2003 @06:12AM (#7112044)
    There's been a few comments about how the whole wearable computing thing is silly, and "it's an MIT" thing. Let me clear this up a bit. Maybe it started as an MIT thing way back in the late 50's/early 60's, at least according to this paper [gatech.edu]. But I know Carnegie Mellon has been working on this stuff for over 5 years because they had ongoing wearable computer projects when I was a freshman there in 98'. And there's a lot of others besides MIT and CMU working on this stuff, just look here [foresight.org] under the Organizations section.

    This area of technology is already being targeted at consumers [usatoday.com]. Try to have a little imagination and realize how powerful this technology could be. For example, what if you had a little speech translator that fit in your ear, recognized nearby spoken speech in foreign languages, traslated it to your language, and used a voice synthesizer to repeat it back to you in your native tongue. Just wait a few years and you'll be saying "damn, I need one of those".

    • Why, yes, a speech translator such as you describe *would* be useful. If I had one, I would be sure to avoid inextricably attaching it to an item of apparel.

      I would like to propose a hypothesis:

      "The usefulness of any already-useful electronic tool N is drastically reduced by sewing N into the lining of your damn jacket."

    • For example, what if you had a little speech translator that fit in your ear, recognized nearby spoken speech in foreign languages, traslated it to your language, and used a voice synthesizer to repeat it back to you in your native tongue. Just wait a few years and you'll be saying "damn, I need one of those".

      Or how about a tiny HUD in my specs, combined with a camera and face recognition to display people's names over their heads so I don't have to remember them? I'd buy one of them!

      But please don't

      • But please don't call these 'wearable'... We already did this with cellphones, PDAs, and walkmans, and we didn't start calling these 'wearable' just because our coat has a special pocket for them, did we?

        I agree there's definitely some issues with the buzzword surrounding this technology. What a pointless adjective: it's on your body, you're wearing it, we get it.

        Ironically, half of CMU's "wearable" computing projects [cmu.edu] don't even appear to be wearable!! Start with the TIA-P link and you'll see what I m

      • In all cases the electronics are best left separate from the clothing, and made small so they can be carried around.

        You're forgetting that there can be special purpose devices like there is special purpose clothing:

        A mechanic might be able to purchase overalls that come with a built in On Board Diagnostics interface with a screen on the sleeve. Or as others have noted, his glasses might project repair manuals that the computer built into his clothing is accessing through the shop's network.

        Mountaineer

    • "..what if you had a little speech translator that fit in your ear, recognized nearby spoken speech in foreign languages, traslated it to your language, and used a voice synthesizer to repeat it back to you in your native tongue."


      Why don't you just put a fish in your ear?

      ::digitac
  • Why is it the only thing I could come up with was some way to hook this thing up to one of my guns? Now that I think about it, please refrain from answering the question.

    • Actually, I've been wanting a 'SmartLink' for some time. IIRC, I picked that term up from a cyberpunk RPG.

      Think about it, a position sensor on your weapon and a stereo HMD connected through a small processor. Wherever you point at a target, a dot is superimposed over reality via the HMD and you can tell where the slug will hit.

      You could even have the computer calculate drop, drift, and estimated inaccuracy due to an unsteady grip. Of course, those last three don't apply if you're using a TBW which is s

  • Hi! (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Linux Newbie Girl ( 712621 )
    If they could produce a classy Linux skirt I'd definitely use it!
  • Make clothing that cleans itself.
    Make clothing that dries itself.
    Make clothing that automatically reacts to the weather etc.

    But putting a computer in your clothing, just doesn't make sense!

    Technology should be intelligent, useable, and not make you look like a freak while using it (Bluetooth wireless headsets come to mind).
    • Ever see the old UK comedy "The Man in the White Suit"? Alec Guinness plays a man who discovers the perfect material -- it's perpetually clean and dry in all conditions, and it won't wear out. Of course, clothing manufacturers and everyone else turn on him in a heartbeat.

      My point being, if someone does get to those qualities you're talking about, hey, the computer's going to be the part that goes obsolete every two years, or that fries in the rain, causing you to run out and buy a new outfit at the outlet

  • Sorry! (Score:2, Funny)

    by stewwy ( 687854 )
    when u take it in the rain and it shorts out.... will it be a smoking jacket?

  • Clearly simoniker is not a dedicated follower of fashion. A search of the MIThril page shows that the word jacket is never used. Most probably this is because it is a vest .
  • 1. to be under $500 2. to have sensory feedback ;) 3. to be something that does porn

  • What's Wrong With This Project (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I had to wade through more buzzwords than I could handle before encountering any plain, simple descriptions of what the thing actually does. The site comes off like venture-funded arm-waving. The only thing it lacks are stock pictures of young business suits standing around shaking hands and smiling confidently.

    Aside from the display goggles, it doesn't look like there is nothing particularly cutting edge about the hardware. If you can do something interesting with a 25-pound PC strapped to your back an

    • Re:What's Wrong With This Project (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      1) Something that allows me to quickly record, index, and play back audio and video snippets. If somebody says something, I want to be able to hear it again 5 seconds or 5 hours later. In the event of any Rodney King scenario, traffic stop, zeppelin accident, or anything else that one might want to have recorded later, I want to be able to start streaming whatever I'm seeing and hearing to remote backup.

      Go one step further and "start recording from 10 seconds ago".

      Imagine the possibilities of having ever
  • You couldn't pay me enough money to wear that thing. It looks like the interior designer for TGIFridays made it.

    On second thought, I guess it would stop all those sex-hungry girls from chasing me around.
  • ...to glue a motherboard to a vest and call it wearable.
  • don't get me wrong, I like to play with toys. I just don't think you need to wear something instead of just putting a PDA in your pocket. It's already small, lightweight, and has plenty of usefull "applications".
    Why does technology ALWAYS have to get smaller? I NEED a cell phone that can reach at least halfway between my ear and my mouth. Anything smaller and I will look like I am having a seizure when I am talking on the phone.
    everynow and then I also like NOT looking like a geek.
  • Why so many research is done trying to wire many components into some clothes.

    We can already wear computers (Palm devices) and we do not need any wires bewteen it and other component such as network access devices (GSM Phone) thank's to Bluetooth.

    The only thing that may be missing is lightweight glasses with a display (something that look like a glass) that connect without wires to the computer and maybe some input device (voice would be nice and already exists with bluetooth headset. We just miss the v

  • The jacket may be using Linux but the PDF paper is written using Word. You would think they could let the jacket write the paper at least then it would use latex :-p
  • I think you should just complain about the name. Frodo's mithril shirt was so thin it looked like a thermal. This looks like hot buttered crap. But the point of all of it is that it's prototyping. You're doing what you can now, in preparation for tomorrow. These devices are getting smaller and smaller and eventually they'll be built into your snaps and zippers.
  • What I really want is a heads-up display, but not some big, bulky goggle crap; I want something like a small light transmitter on the frame of my glasses that projects an image straight into my eyeball. Something small, light, and which allows me to overlay the display over my normal vision without having to preprocess and delay my normal vision.

    This kind of interface is a prerequisite IMO for me wearing any kind of computer.
    • what you're thinking of is the virtual big screen's that they have. there's a dealy that goes in front of one eye and is about an inch wide and a half inch tall but after calibration for your eye it looks like it's 60". It's a really sweet little deal. there is already a wearable computer way smaller than that that uses it.

      anyone know anything about the landwarior system that the military uses? they have a wearable computer for that that is smaller than a portable cd player, has GPS built in, runs a
  • This is going to add a whole new painful dimension to scuffing your feet along the carpet and shocking your friends...

    "ZAP!" "You bastard! I just bought that RAM!"

  • If it were known that geeks had such hides, all the muggers of Middle-earth would be riding to comdex.

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