Linksys Releases GPLed Code for WRT54G 335
petree writes "I stumbled across this on the Linksys website. Linksys has apparently caved to community pressure and released the GPLed source for linux running on their WRT54G. Cool Beans!"
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Nice, but not a ton of info from it. (Score:4, Interesting)
No I don't think they need to provide the other bits, but it sure would be nice to get some 802.11 drivers, etc.
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Does this mean we can work on the firmware? (Score:5, Interesting)
New linux toy? Oh yeah (Score:5, Interesting)
What about the BEFW11S4? (Score:4, Interesting)
Next stop: Drivers (Score:2, Interesting)
From what I read, they use the same Broadcom chipset as the access points, which means Linux drivers do exist, in spite of their not being released to anyone.
Never enough, though. (Score:2, Interesting)
I use one of these access points; my first network nmap after installing it was disconcerting. I had thought that someone was war driving, when I found the 2.4.5 -O.
The last thing I expected to find was a Linux kernel.
At least they had the __________ to step up and honor the GPL.
Re:A wireless network. For a dorm room. (Score:5, Interesting)
Excessive perhaps, for just the room, but if their dorm is anything like mine was [wisc.edu] with a den down the hall or a study room in the basement or grassy areas out in front, a wireless connection like this would be pretty sweet.
gpl strikes again (Score:0, Interesting)
Well, the GPL might be good if Linksys wanted to write code that was Open source, but didn't want a competitor to takeover. Sorta like how IBM did with their JFS filesystem. SUN could take JFS, put it on Solaris, but they would have to show IBM the code that glued it together. So in this way the GPL is great for companies who want to share code, but bad for companies who want to borrow code for their own products. It appears Linksys needs to ignore a bit of the linux hype and get more practical, or continue to "cave under pressure" as the slashdot post implies.
Re:Does this mean we can work on the firmware? (Score:1, Interesting)
Linksys has just released the original GPL packages that they used -- no workarounds or enhancements for running on the broadcom chips.
You couldn't recompile the linksys router platform from this in a million years. And until someone with a ton of money actaully takes this to court, there is not a thing you can do about it except jump up and down and stamp your feet.
Still in violation (Score:4, Interesting)
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And so it looks like until linksys gives credit properly in the documentation to Paul Vixie they are still in violation of licensing agreements.
Some of the released code isn't GPL... (Score:4, Interesting)
(He's better known for BIND, MAPS, PAIX, MFNX, etc.)
Re:just one product (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course you're correct about that. But what's wrong with being nice to them just now. Let's watch them be shocked when sales of the unit tick upward, then let's ask for more, ok?
Of course, the above depends on being able to reflash the thing successfully, and as far as I can see, that's going to be a whole lot easier than the XBox was, plus more useful, including being useful to Linksys. Unlike Microsoft, they make money every time they sell one.
Okay, so now what? (Score:3, Interesting)
Great, GPL the code. But now make it useful for me.
Terms of Use? (Score:3, Interesting)
On a different topic, even if Linksys hasn't provided the 'correct' source code, as suggested by some, their acknowledgement of the GPL should at least mean open slather on reverse engineering any binary which has a hint of GPL to it.
Re:Binary modules are legal. (Score:2, Interesting)
Forget the drivers. Just look through the application source. Where are the linksys mods?? Are you telling me that they took the stock version of those OSS projects and just shipped them? Bullshit! There are always local mods, even trivial ones, so where are they? Take a look at what transmeta does to their open sources. They have local mods all over the place. And you're telling me that linksys shipped the sources without a single change?
Re:Nice, but not a ton of info from it. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:A wireless network. For a dorm room. (Score:1, Interesting)
What linksys didnt release is... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I didn't think it was shared... (Score:2, Interesting)
Harvards wireless network usage notes includes the following:
All devices associated with a wireless access point are in contention for part of the 11 Mbps (802.11b IETF Standard) shared bandwidth. It is for this reason that certain bandwidth intensive applications may be more appropriate for the wired network.
It's good advice. I run mixed wireless / wireful in my house for this reason.
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Re:Nice, but not a ton of info from it. (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't think it could possibly be a copyright violation. Linksys more or less have to allow it, otherwise I think they could be in violation with the GPL on the kernel and some of the other stuff they are using.
Re:Nice, but not a ton of info from it. (Score:2, Interesting)
Seriously. What good is a WIRELESS ROUTER without WIRELESS SUPPORT. That's why we shouldn't particularly care about hacking most of this thing. Now, if you can hack it to be better at what it currently does, then more power to you... Since the source of the non-closed parts were already available, I don't see that as much of a problem.
Does this product support IPV6, for example? If not, it would be interesting to just do a couple recompiles and see if we can make it do so.
Re:What linksys didnt release is... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Thank them (Score:2, Interesting)
If you don't like their product then don't do it. If you do like their product more than alternatives because it is GPL'd (parts of it at least) then it makes sense to let the marketting bods know you like it this way so that they continue to do so. In fact, say that you bought their product specifically becuase it had GPL'd code and in the future you will prefer to buy GPL'd alternatives if they exist.
On the other hand, if you want to use closed source prodcuts and don't care about the GPL buy somthing else.
You choose.
It's not about "thanking them", you did that when you boaught the product, it's about letting the manufacturer know what YOU want as a product.
I'm in the market for a new wireless router, this product is definitly ahead of non-GPL'd alternatives in my purchasing decision tree.
Re:Not the full OS (Score:3, Interesting)
From the GPL: For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable.
Now what I miss is the
Re:Not the full OS (Score:2, Interesting)
I call bullshit on this one. Most users will go about their merry day not caring about what their AP runs, because they don't need to. TiVOs run Linux, have a vocal hacking community, and do you see the average TiVO user thinking about distros? No. This allows those people that want to play with their hardware a bit larger of an opportunity to do so. Giving their kernel patches back to the community just makes sense.
Caved in due to "Community Pressure" (Score:3, Interesting)
IMHO, Linksys just honors the license of the software they used. Maybe they just strayed a bit, but it's not like they are actively trying to violate it. Why don't we put a better positive word to the situation? It will make the "community" sound like a more pleasant entity to interact with when we don't go pressuring people for what we want.
Re:Okay, so now what? (Score:3, Interesting)
Looks like it might be pretty straightforward to unpack the cramfs system, add a tiny
Broadcom violates the GPL, not LinkSys? (Score:2, Interesting)
Using GPL'd software to make a profit and not releasing (available) drivers to support their hardware on the same GPL'd software does also not feel right to me. At least morally.
Actual text of GPL (Score:3, Interesting)
Quote:
The "Program", below, refers to any such program or work, and a "work based on the Program" means either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language.
Think about it. They distributed the source for the "Program" as outlined above. "A work based on the Program" can refer to either the Program (the original) or the "work based on the program" - that is, the derivative. So, if you take it to always mean "The Program" or the ORIGINAL program - then you only must distribute the ORIGINAL PROGRAM and not the mods! Perfectly within the GPL.
I'll get modded down on this, but HONESTLY the GPL says this. It does not say that "The Program" means BOTH, but EITHER.
The GPL doesn't say you have to release your mods, but only a list of the changes and what dates. Have you actually read the GPL?
The other problem with the GPL is that there is conjecture and opinion throughout, not fact, as there must be in an Agreement. IANAL but I worked in the world of Contracting (as in Construction) and you must specify everything, not give opinion.
"If you develop a new program, and you want it to be of the greatest possible use to the public, the best way to achieve this is to make it free software which everyone can redistribute and change under these terms."
This is an OPINION that "the best way to achieve this." Sometimes making it of the greatest possible use to the public is to never use it. For instance, the software that drives nuclear missles. This is a deterrent. The best way to use this technology MIGHT be not to use it, not make it software which everyone can redistribute.
The first time the GPL gets tried in court it will get thrown out because it's full of opinion, and holes like I just pointed out. And remember, I'm FOR Open Source. I just think that Richard Stallman tried to force his opinions on everyone else's work. "Free" my butt. (And I know the difference between free as in beer, etc.) Here's a quote from the FSF website:
"The $5000 Deluxe Distribution includes all GNU software compiled for your choice of computing platform (micro-chip and operating system). Please contact the FSF Office if you are interested."
"Free" my butt. $5000 US is a LOT of money for a program, period, ESPECIALLY for one user.
Go Linksys. MAKE money. PROVIDE a valuable service!
Come on guy's have some guts (Score:1, Interesting)
What I cannot believe is how slow the community has been in reverse engineering the linux wireless drivers contained within the firmware of many of these devices. I purchsed a pair of Belkin 54G AP's at the weekend and within 30 mintues was able to extrace the kernel and root file system which contained amongst other things wl.o the actual driver we all want..... running objdump over this shows us all of the functions and the MIPS3000 assembler code itself, which helps expose how to communicate with the device...... It is not impossible for us to at least attempt to create an open source alternative.....
Go and download a firmware file yourself (you don't actually need one of the devices) and have a look...
who's with me?